have a sw that show the same or 80000k of power on preview, so i not will say that is fake. is just not a particular gwf thing.
i just want know how much power he have to be outdpsesd only by 2 times a gwf that have more than 150% of damage bonus. because, for that numbers in act should be much, much more.
It look fake to me also.
I just cheked him he have 35k power .
Also the CW have T.ligthning enchant. -50% dmg
The GWF have Vorpal.+50% dmg
This picture is total fake in all case.
if he have 35k- really, really big - lets calculete. all boons active in the same time+battle awaraness (do less power than say the tooltip, but lets do this) he can have take... ahn... 56312 of power +/-.
that means... nevermind
another thing: that is the laz points
the second best attribute of this guy is better than the laz. the best is, my god, 3 times better. AND A GUY HITTING A DAILY BY 200K DO ONLY 2XTIMES LESS? that is the neverwinter forum. DEVS, READ THAT? i hope so.
No damage boons and Borland didn't have his Stone companion summoned during the VT run.
No one is insterested in "details". Do the same run with the same team composition BUT remove Lostmauth set bonus from it and post the score table. Pretty easy to do.
doing the math is pretty easy thing to do too! Lostmauth set only has 20% dmg. 29% tops for a GWF! This GWF does 3 times dmg of the second one... And we are all interested in the details!
stock and stone I can master, but there's a Wizard to manage here!
It shouldnt do 2/3 times dmg as other dps classes with same gear.
The PVE Balance is getting embarassing in this game...
like i said in another post, some differences is more subjective (and qualitative) than material. for exemple, how much damage you do through your party using a debuff. if you quantify that, you will see that gfs do far more damage than a gwf, in pve, for example. is just a conditional attribute.)
about that romo posts: the single problem here - ignoring thats bizarre 65k of power - is a hipotetical ranger (or rogue... the third one) dont do 2/3 more damage than your cw too. but close to 2x less being DAMAGE A MAIN FUNCTION OF A STRIKER, NOT A CONTROLLER.
thats is the neverwinter forum. do 2x more damage than another class is ok, even if that is the function of another class, if you are a cw.
Will this be on your grave I presume?
1. Controller is aoe dmg. Its not forbidden to do dmg with it! Striker is only means higher single target dmg!
2. This striker-controller nonsense is a dead end and it was deleted in D&D 5.0...
DOING 2 TIMES DMG BETWEEN DPS CLASSES IS NOT OK! No other mmo has it. They have pve balance. The difference between dps classes with same gear and skill should be 10-20% tops like in other mmos!
stock and stone I can master, but there's a Wizard to manage here!
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
AND A GUY HITTING A DAILY BY 200K DO ONLY 2XTIMES LESS? that is the neverwinter forum. DEVS, READ THAT? i hope so.
You made some rounding mistakes, but yea... the GWF wasn't even using his Ioun Stone and it was Valindra's Tower. You know, that VT dungeon that has too many monsters scattered around for the GWF to hit them all at once. I was able to catch up. That elol (where it's mostly single target fights in the beginning), it started out with the GWF having 13 mil damage and me having 3 mil. Again, I managed to catch up when the GWF died at the scropions right at the beginning. Is the 200k Ice Knife the only thing you see? You are digging your own grave, speaking so highly of yourself like you are some genious and the only difficulty you have is the language barrier. Numbers and logical thinking are supposed to be international traits. I am using a Pure Lightning, you know, it doesn't enhance my other abilities, it only uses their mechanics to proc damaging effects. I am using a build that is effective and can compete with other CW builds, even tho it's not fully optimized yet.
Thank you for calling out the Devs on this. Hey Devs, increase Ice Knife damage, it's a daily, a GWF's at-will does 1,5x more damage. Thanks. /sarcasm off
Also, whats up with you and the citation of old, outdated quotes from devs? First, you tried to prove that you are right in the CW forum section by quoting mod 3 dev comments, saying that the CW was stronger than expected. How is that relevant after mod 7? The CW went through several nerfs since then. Now you are quoting a dev comment from the beginning of mod 6, when the GWF changes were still new and the only safety-net Cryptic had were the internal testing results. Now that it's obvious that the GWF is overpowered (even stated by the executive producer), how can you still be so much in denial?
If you have lol set and high crit chance around 100% then then any other enchant what you put on your char what is not P.vorpal is -50% dmg.
P.vorpal boost your lol set dmg too.
T.ligthing not do anything with lol set 1k dmg is nothing vs 50-60k .
I dont say the photo is fake i say the GWF is fake.
Noone have rank 20 stronghold to got the 8000 power boon ar anyithing else his total offensive stat is more then 100k.
He need at least rank 20 enchants to get this power.
He only had the lvl 3 HP boons from the Stronghold.
Not having a perfect or higher vorpal, doesn't mean that it puts you behind for as much as 50% damage. Even with 100% crit chance, if you are above 100% crit severity, Pvorpal with it's 50% crit sev, doesn't add 50% but less due to diminishing returns. Having a 100% crit chance uptime ALL THE TIME is close impossible, so that means the 50% crit severity is worth even less. Opposing to the huge base damage of the GWF's 2h weapon, the CW's base weapon is the lowest in the game, right next to the DC's. The Orb of Elemental Fire has a damage range of 1230 to 1504, while the GWF's is 1772 to 2166. Any damage multiplier, so in this case, the 50% crit severity, boosts your lostmauth procs by a lot more than it does for the CW. A Pvorp for a CW; doesn't add 50-60k damage to the lostmauth proc, it adds, maybe 5-6k. While this is still a great number, compared to the damage you'd deal without it and the fact that it also boost other damage sources that can crit, I still decided to go with the Pure Lightning. I'm using effects that do not have the ability to crit. (Storm Spell, Abyss of Chaos and now the Lightning enchantment as well)
I get the feeling that you and zacazu are trying to take a slice of the pie you can't digest. You guys claim to be GWF pros, but you seem to lack essential knowledge about the game.
I dont say the photo is fake i say the GWF is fake.
I'm not sure what you mean here. How can the GWF be fake, those were his stats when I inspected him during the eCC run we've had together. We had buffers in the group.
I am not interested if he had summoned his stone or not. I am more concerned about the same run, with the same build but without Lostmauth set.
If you think that doing the same run with a different build is "correct", then, not my problem. But you should look at that fear of yours about GWF-class...
You want army of screenshots and ACT parses where GWFs are doing 2-3* times as other dps classes with the same gear and with ALL have lostmauth set? Fine! You asked for it!
Wrong: Strikers are mean to deal DAMAGE. So, do not make diferences between "AoE" and "Single Target", because the "end" itself (deal damage) is what is mean to. That is the main reason that "strikers" have almost not "control". Controllers are mean to CONTROL. While "controlers" shall deal "damage", this "damage" must not be even near to "strikers".
If you think otherwise, you are totally wrong... but this is not the first time i explain this to you, right?
Google is your friend:
A character with the controller role primarily handles crowds by creating hazardous terrain and repositioning enemies, or spreading conditions and damage over multiple enemies.
Oh boy! When Sorcerer will be out you guys will cry for months...
stock and stone I can master, but there's a Wizard to manage here!
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lazaroth666Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,332Arc User
Hey guys, for those who are interested in how he got 65k power, it's a very simple thing. Legendary companion (he's using a Dancing Blade) + 3xBonding R12 + Slam and other bonuses like rampaging madness, Prestidigitation, etc etc. However, remember that it is not 100% uptime and it would work fine mostly against bosses or enemies that aren't dead in 3s. If the companion is unable to grant you at least 2 stacks of companion's gift inmediately when you start the fight then you are actually fighting with lower stats than using an ioun stone.
"I'm not sure what you mean here. How can the GWF be fake, those were his stats when I inspected him during the eCC run we've had together. We had buffers in the group."
a super killer gwf have that powers during the dungeons and no boons active? if have buffers (and, my god, that is a lot of buffs and no one are given by gwfs to the party) why you show that status like if that is the main status of that gwf? you need be kicked from this forum. i dont even say nothing about that sad demonstration of your "aoe build". you just need be kicked.
now the most important is how much stupidy this guys are to understand that i use the quots not to do a "quantitative" reference, but a "qualitaty reference" or just to discuss the sense of some cencept. that i will do again, for fun, to response the same destroyed argument of commander if dont come some ***** say that is "appeal to autority".
"control is damage too". lets show the INTERNAL AND DEV consensus about that:
1 - "One of the primary questions we received was regarding the design goal of the Great Weapon Fighter. From a systems design perspective, the Great Weapon Fighter is designed to be a class that excels at AoE DPS and taking hits while providing a bit of control to the fight."
how a class can "excels at AoE DPS" and provid just a bit of control if aoe damage is control? death is not the best control? remember, dont matter how old that is, that is a concept analysis.
2 - Control Wizards primarily focus on controlling the battlefield and dealing damage to a large number of creatures simultaneously. Because of the wizard's role as a controller, they possess more crowd control options than any other class. Their ability to deal high amounts of damage gives them the secondary role of striker.
in the first prase you have a "oração coordenativa aditiva" - no idea how you guys call that - cws do damage and control. now:
"Their ability to deal high amounts of damage gives them the secondary role of striker" that means, the ability to give high amounts against multiples targets give the secondary role of striker. here, the strikers paper come to a quantitative reference. not qualitative (big damages against one)
now the best:
3 - "Control Wizards filled too many roles in groups and were more often than not the “right” choice for a group over other class, and this was very frustrating for people who played other classes."
back in this time, that means control and damage in general.
"Overall the changes will leave Control Wizards with more direct competition in group content and will let them more strongly fill the position of controlling all the foes on the battle field or doing heavy damage, but not both at once."
OR A OR B, BUT NOT BOTH AT ONCE. what is A OR B? damage and control!
and all that cry is based in that... note: that "dev quots is old"? ok, that quote about strikers be single target come to the inspiration of that game. the antecedent, that means. MORE OLD. that old devs quots is not valid because the game are changed... and no the concept of strikers here?
that is the neverwinter forum.
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
It's funny how you simply pick certain Dev quotes and wikipedia articles that fit your agenda but are unable to adapt your own thoughts to the dynamic development of the game.
It's funny how you simply pick certain Dev quotes and wikipedia articles that fit your agenda but are unable to adapt your own thoughts to the dynamic development of the game.
for who is new in that discussion, now that guys will start to take generical parts of my text, ignoring what alread have be answered and for who that are answered .
Please only use English on these forums. Thank you.
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
But that's the thing. If you can't express yourself properly, how should we expect you to even understand what the discussion is about?
Okay, let me get this straight... you want to nerf this class because of just one person did that much damage??? there are plenty other people out there that can do this much damage too [Doesn't have to be GWF]. So, why get mad that this person just because spent their time & money to get this outstanding in their character/class. Also, look how long it took to do those dungeon & the amount of damage even with those stats. By the way, don't forget that they have a set that increases there damage, but you know this... you know how to get it. My question to you is; Why not go out and get it yourself?? Also, the party they are with are set up to increase party member stats & debuff enemies to increase damage. One more thing, Let's not forget that the sole purpose if Great Weapon Fighter (GWF) is a DPS class.
To finish T2 legit you need at least do in total 200 mill dmg or more and you need at least 25 m to finish it legit.
This tells somthing .
Next time if you post somthing press the X on blackdaggers corpse in the boss room.
The full dungeon to run from point A start to point B chest take around 7 m xx s depend on your running speed. This not include short videos and pressing F on objects.
To finish T2 legit you need at least do in total 200 mill dmg or more and you need at least 25 min to finish it legit.
This tells somthing .
Next time if you post somthing press the X on blackdaggers corpse in the boss room.
Yea, when reasoning fails, you start picking on the little things that are of absolutely no relevance. The single target fight only would've created a bigger gap between us. Also, since you are always bragging about you being an old-school player, playing since beta, blah blah... you should know by now that the ingame timer is messed and never shows the actual time. Still missing fundamental knowledge about the game.
Okay, let me get this straight... you want to nerf this class because of just one person did that much damage??? there are plenty other people out there that can do this much damage too [Doesn't have to be GWF]. So, why get mad that this person just because spent their time & money to get this outstanding in their character/class. Also, look how long it took to do those dungeon & the amount of damage even with those stats. By the way, don't forget that they have a set that increases there damage, but you know this... you know how to get it. My question to you is; Why not go out and get it yourself?? Also, the party they are with are set up to increase party member stats & debuff enemies to increase damage. One more thing, Let's not forget that the sole purpose if Great Weapon Fighter (GWF) is a DPS class.
I think you are misunderstanding the situation. It is never about a single person, it is about skill and power cap a class can reach. If you are referring to SWs in your 2nd sentence, then yes, they can do insane amounts of damage as well, they can be on-par with a GWF, but I don't know of any other class that can come even close to these 2 in terms of damage. I am not mad at a single player, I am not mad a single class, I just dislike people who are so vehemently protecting their own interests by twisting the truth and facts to their own advantage. You are not looking at it from an objective perspective because you are enjoying your once underpowered class too much, that is now the strongest. If you're talking about the SW set, I'm not an SW. As far as I know, the CW doesn't have any sets that increases personal damage. If you mean the Lostmauth set, I have it too. There is nothing against GWF being a DPS class, doing 3 times as much damage as anyone else is the problem. I don't need to educate myself, I am familiar with the role a GWF is supposed to fill. You guys need to finally understand that you cannot implement a class 1:1 from another game into a different environment and expect it to work the same and not be touched to make it fit into the current environment. I don't think I need to be educated on the subject as I have plenty of experience creating and fine-tuning such environments in different games.
Yes, i said it too. What i also said is that "that damage must be not even near to "striker classes" " . And, now, if you want to, search for a game where the CONTROLLER CLASS deals more damage than the STRIKER CLASS.
Most games tie the control role to a wizard-archetype, which then excell at dealing AOE damage. Lineage 2's Necromancer, Sorcerer, Spellsinger could fit this description. Lineage 2 however, also had a Warlord (a physical AOE stunner/damager) and an Overlord that excells at buffing allies and debuffing/controlling everything around himself. If you take a look at most MMOs, they usually give spell user classes control abilities.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
To finish T2 legit you need at least do in total 200 mill dmg or more and you need at least 25 min to finish it legit.
This tells somthing .
Next time if you post somthing press the X on blackdaggers corpse in the boss room.
This statement here immediately disqualifies everything you have said. Etos: mod 7 I have finished in 9 mins 38 seconds Egwd: Finished in 17 mins 12 seconds Ecc: Haven't actually timed because there are so many doors in the damn instance, but definitely under 25 mins.
You can just run from 1 door to the other in dungeins and clear everthing in place. Anyhow, I am kind of curious as to how this thread got derailed from rumour mill of the game to nerf gwf's. Only popped in really because someone mentioned my name. Also, the in game timer is horribly wrong, I am not sure what it is actually timing but it is not how long it takes you to clear a dungeon.
And with regards to @oria1 in that picture there, his CW (Cyler) is great, so I imagine his GWF is as well. Haven't done a run with him since mod 6, but hes one of those players with BiS gear who knows what they doing.
Yes, you are correct and we agree on that last part, but seems like you still do not get that GWF is both AoE AND Single target damage dealer... do not get why this simple detail is so hard to understand for you.
because 180 degrees is not 360 degrees. That's a cone, not a radius.
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
edited September 2015
Just saying GF vs GWF DPS
[IMG] [/IMG] [IMG] [/IMG]
And i was way ower her I lvl . Both of us had lol set.
If you have lol set and high crit chance around 100% then then any other enchant what you put on your char what is not P.vorpal is -50% dmg.
P.vorpal boost your lol set dmg too.
T.ligthing not do anything with lol set 1k dmg is nothing vs 50-60k .
I dont say the photo is fake i say the GWF is fake.
Noone have rank 20 stronghold to got the 8000 power boon ar anyithing else his total offensive stat is more then 100k.
He need at least rank 20 enchants to get this power.
He only had the lvl 3 HP boons from the Stronghold.
Not having a perfect or higher vorpal, doesn't mean that it puts you behind for as much as 50% damage. Even with 100% crit chance, if you are above 100% crit severity, Pvorpal with it's 50% crit sev, doesn't add 50% but less due to diminishing returns. Having a 100% crit chance uptime ALL THE TIME is close impossible, so that means the 50% crit severity is worth even less. Opposing to the huge base damage of the GWF's 2h weapon, the CW's base weapon is the lowest in the game, right next to the DC's. The Orb of Elemental Fire has a damage range of 1230 to 1504, while the GWF's is 1772 to 2166. Any damage multiplier, so in this case, the 50% crit severity, boosts your lostmauth procs by a lot more than it does for the CW. A Pvorp for a CW; doesn't add 50-60k damage to the lostmauth proc, it adds, maybe 5-6k. While this is still a great number, compared to the damage you'd deal without it and the fact that it also boost other damage sources that can crit, I still decided to go with the Pure Lightning. I'm using effects that do not have the ability to crit. (Storm Spell, Abyss of Chaos and now the Lightning enchantment as well)
LOL set + P.vorpal
No buff was involved i have super low power and GF isnt famus from her weapon dmg .
If i am full buffed conq cap stone hit the max i can do around 60-80 k lol set procc . W/o Vorpal i do around 30 k.
romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
edited September 2015
Yea, so what now? As far as I'm concerned, you just proved me right.
Also, have you taken min-max weapon damage rolls into consideration? A single number shows nothing, do several hits and test for lowest/highest damage to see the differences with both Vorpal and no Vorpal.
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
To finish T2 legit you need at least do in total 200 mill dmg or more and you need at least 25 min to finish it legit.
This tells somthing .
Next time if you post somthing press the X on blackdaggers corpse in the boss room.
This statement here immediately disqualifies everything you have said. Etos: mod 7 I have finished in 9 mins 38 seconds Egwd: Finished in 17 mins 12 seconds Ecc: Haven't actually timed because there are so many doors in the damn instance, but definitely under 25 mins.
You can just run from 1 door to the other in dungeins and clear everthing in place. Anyhow, I am kind of curious as to how this thread got derailed from rumour mill of the game to nerf gwf's. Only popped in really because someone mentioned my name. Also, the in game timer is horribly wrong, I am not sure what it is actually timing but it is not how long it takes you to clear a dungeon.
And with regards to @oria1 in that picture there, his CW (Cyler) is great, so I imagine his GWF is as well. Haven't done a run with him since mod 6, but hes one of those players with BiS gear who knows what they doing.
To finish T2 legit you need at least do in total 200 mill dmg or more and you need at least 25 min to finish it legit.
This tells somthing .
Next time if you post somthing press the X on blackdaggers corpse in the boss room.
This statement here immediately disqualifies everything you have said. Etos: mod 7 I have finished in 9 mins 38 seconds Egwd: Finished in 17 mins 12 seconds Ecc: Haven't actually timed because there are so many doors in the damn instance, but definitely under 25 mins.
The picture was from ECC i talked about ECC not egwd or TOS.
romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
edited September 2015
The thing is, I refrained from giving detailed explanations to zacazu and schweifer, because they are parroting everything back later on. They don't realise that they just aren't right and keep trying to prove and prove until the person on the opposing side just dies of boredom and stops going into these looped discussions where they keep turning the whole thing back to the exact same arguments. It's just no fun, we are not going forward.
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I'm using a pure lightning and how is that -50% damage and the vorpal +50% damage? You are spouting so much blsht that it hurts.
that means... nevermind
another thing: that is the laz points
the second best attribute of this guy is better than the laz. the best is, my god, 3 times better.
AND A GUY HITTING A DAILY BY 200K DO ONLY 2XTIMES LESS? that is the neverwinter forum. DEVS, READ THAT? i hope so.
Lostmauth set only has 20% dmg. 29% tops for a GWF!
This GWF does 3 times dmg of the second one...
And we are all interested in the details!
1.
Controller is aoe dmg. Its not forbidden to do dmg with it!
Striker is only means higher single target dmg!
2.
This striker-controller nonsense is a dead end and it was deleted in D&D 5.0...
DOING 2 TIMES DMG BETWEEN DPS CLASSES IS NOT OK!
No other mmo has it.
They have pve balance.
The difference between dps classes with same gear and skill should be 10-20% tops like in other mmos!
Is the 200k Ice Knife the only thing you see? You are digging your own grave, speaking so highly of yourself like you are some genious and the only difficulty you have is the language barrier. Numbers and logical thinking are supposed to be international traits. I am using a Pure Lightning, you know, it doesn't enhance my other abilities, it only uses their mechanics to proc damaging effects. I am using a build that is effective and can compete with other CW builds, even tho it's not fully optimized yet.
http://giant.gfycat.com/WindyFirsthandAddax.webm
Thank you for calling out the Devs on this. Hey Devs, increase Ice Knife damage, it's a daily, a GWF's at-will does 1,5x more damage. Thanks. /sarcasm off
Also, whats up with you and the citation of old, outdated quotes from devs? First, you tried to prove that you are right in the CW forum section by quoting mod 3 dev comments, saying that the CW was stronger than expected. How is that relevant after mod 7? The CW went through several nerfs since then.
Now you are quoting a dev comment from the beginning of mod 6, when the GWF changes were still new and the only safety-net Cryptic had were the internal testing results. Now that it's obvious that the GWF is overpowered (even stated by the executive producer), how can you still be so much in denial?
You've lost all credibility.
P.vorpal boost your lol set dmg too.
T.ligthing not do anything with lol set 1k dmg is nothing vs 50-60k .
I dont say the photo is fake i say the GWF is fake.
Noone have rank 20 stronghold to got the 8000 power boon ar anyithing else his total offensive stat is more then 100k.
He need at least rank 20 enchants to get this power.
Not having a perfect or higher vorpal, doesn't mean that it puts you behind for as much as 50% damage. Even with 100% crit chance, if you are above 100% crit severity, Pvorpal with it's 50% crit sev, doesn't add 50% but less due to diminishing returns. Having a 100% crit chance uptime ALL THE TIME is close impossible, so that means the 50% crit severity is worth even less.
Opposing to the huge base damage of the GWF's 2h weapon, the CW's base weapon is the lowest in the game, right next to the DC's. The Orb of Elemental Fire has a damage range of 1230 to 1504, while the GWF's is 1772 to 2166. Any damage multiplier, so in this case, the 50% crit severity, boosts your lostmauth procs by a lot more than it does for the CW. A Pvorp for a CW; doesn't add 50-60k damage to the lostmauth proc, it adds, maybe 5-6k. While this is still a great number, compared to the damage you'd deal without it and the fact that it also boost other damage sources that can crit, I still decided to go with the Pure Lightning. I'm using effects that do not have the ability to crit. (Storm Spell, Abyss of Chaos and now the Lightning enchantment as well)
I get the feeling that you and zacazu are trying to take a slice of the pie you can't digest. You guys claim to be GWF pros, but you seem to lack essential knowledge about the game. I'm not sure what you mean here. How can the GWF be fake, those were his stats when I inspected him during the eCC run we've had together. We had buffers in the group.
Fine! You asked for it! Google is your friend:
A character with the controller role primarily handles crowds by creating hazardous terrain and repositioning enemies, or spreading conditions and damage over multiple enemies.
Oh boy! When Sorcerer will be out you guys will cry for months...
a super killer gwf have that powers during the dungeons and no boons active? if have buffers (and, my god, that is a lot of buffs and no one are given by gwfs to the party) why you show that status like if that is the main status of that gwf? you need be kicked from this forum. i dont even say nothing about that sad demonstration of your "aoe build". you just need be kicked.
now the most important is how much stupidy this guys are to understand that i use the quots not to do a "quantitative" reference, but a "qualitaty reference" or just to discuss the sense of some cencept. that i will do again, for fun, to response the same destroyed argument of commander if dont come some ***** say that is "appeal to autority".
"control is damage too". lets show the INTERNAL AND DEV consensus about that:
1 - "One of the primary questions we received was regarding the design goal of the Great Weapon Fighter. From a systems design perspective, the Great Weapon Fighter is designed to be a class that excels at AoE DPS and taking hits while providing a bit of control to the fight."
how a class can "excels at AoE DPS" and provid just a bit of control if aoe damage is control? death is not the best control? remember, dont matter how old that is, that is a concept analysis.
2 - Control Wizards primarily focus on controlling the battlefield and dealing damage to a large number of creatures simultaneously. Because of the wizard's role as a controller, they possess more crowd control options than any other class. Their ability to deal high amounts of damage gives them the secondary role of striker.
in the first prase you have a "oração coordenativa aditiva" - no idea how you guys call that - cws do damage and control. now:
"Their ability to deal high amounts of damage gives them the secondary role of striker" that means, the ability to give high amounts against multiples targets give the secondary role of striker. here, the strikers paper come to a quantitative reference. not qualitative (big damages against one)
now the best:
3 - "Control Wizards filled too many roles in groups and were more often than not the “right” choice for a group over other class, and this was very frustrating for people who played other classes."
back in this time, that means control and damage in general.
"Overall the changes will leave Control Wizards with more direct competition in group content and will let them more strongly fill the position of controlling all the foes on the battle field or doing heavy damage, but not both at once."
OR A OR B, BUT NOT BOTH AT ONCE. what is A OR B? damage and control!
and all that cry is based in that... note: that "dev quots is old"? ok, that quote about strikers be single target come to the inspiration of that game. the antecedent, that means. MORE OLD. that old devs quots is not valid because the game are changed... and no the concept of strikers here?
that is the neverwinter forum.
Please only use English on these forums. Thank you.
Here is the wiki to the great weapon fighter: [educate yourself]
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Great_Weapon_Fighter
Learn more about D&D GWFs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)
This tells somthing .
Next time if you post somthing press the X on blackdaggers corpse in the boss room.
This not include short videos and pressing F on objects.
If you're talking about the SW set, I'm not an SW. As far as I know, the CW doesn't have any sets that increases personal damage. If you mean the Lostmauth set, I have it too.
There is nothing against GWF being a DPS class, doing 3 times as much damage as anyone else is the problem.
I don't need to educate myself, I am familiar with the role a GWF is supposed to fill. You guys need to finally understand that you cannot implement a class 1:1 from another game into a different environment and expect it to work the same and not be touched to make it fit into the current environment. I don't think I need to be educated on the subject as I have plenty of experience creating and fine-tuning such environments in different games.
If you take a look at most MMOs, they usually give spell user classes control abilities.
Etos: mod 7 I have finished in 9 mins 38 seconds
Egwd: Finished in 17 mins 12 seconds
Ecc: Haven't actually timed because there are so many doors in the damn instance, but definitely under 25 mins.
You can just run from 1 door to the other in dungeins and clear everthing in place. Anyhow, I am kind of curious as to how this thread got derailed from rumour mill of the game to nerf gwf's. Only popped in really because someone mentioned my name. Also, the in game timer is horribly wrong, I am not sure what it is actually timing but it is not how long it takes you to clear a dungeon.
And with regards to @oria1 in that picture there, his CW (Cyler) is great, so I imagine his GWF is as well. Haven't done a run with him since mod 6, but hes one of those players with BiS gear who knows what they doing.
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And i was way ower her I lvl . Both of us had lol set.
LOL set + P.vorpal
No buff was involved i have super low power and GF isnt famus from her weapon dmg .
If i am full buffed conq cap stone hit the max i can do around 60-80 k lol set procc .
W/o Vorpal i do around 30 k.
Also, have you taken min-max weapon damage rolls into consideration? A single number shows nothing, do several hits and test for lowest/highest damage to see the differences with both Vorpal and no Vorpal.