.... Isn't levelling guys to max levell and raising a profession PLAYING????
I really wouldn't say so, actually. This isn't a game built around that profession system (thank GOD): it's a fantasy RPG; playing means taking your character out there and kicking HAMSTER, not futzing around in some little window assigning tasks to faceless little robots somewhere in the ether.
I was really referring to the levelling guys to 60... this was gaming.
The part most dont comment on is it's way more than just sitting there all day in the Gateway... just clicking.
If you wanted to do LS right you needed 9 slots opened up. It was FAR more than just levelling LS to 25, heck I was happy to get X guys to 20, then the bombshell it was expanded to 25 and WE JUST GOT DONE WITH THAT GRIND THANK YOU.... how long have we been 25 maybe 1 or 2 months??? LOL
Just to get the 9 slots was a pain aside from the 1-25 LS grind.
So in short: Level a guy to 60 Get 3 Professions to 20 Get Leadership to 20
"(Ridiculous Work) * X"
HEHEH.... LOL
And YEP I agree this should be a game about kicking HAMSTER with fantasy guys but low and behold nothing rare drops, nothing can be farmed, there are no rewards or surprises, NOTHING.
Who wants to grind out the same Skirmishes/PVP/and a whopping 3 dungeons (wow)....
For what amounts to next to ridiculously laughable AD rewards compared to the cost structure set in the game.
My guild has a Ventrilo server, and the two head honchos are holed up in the admin channel. Clearly, some serious HAMSTER is going down in Ancient Propaganda.
Well, maybe if the game survives the week, I'll be able to get one of the Phase Spiders in the guild's bank. Or maybe all three. That would be cool. Assuming there's anyone left to move me up some ranks.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
So "actual numbers" = twice the time & effort for the same reward. Just because others forgot to click on an NPC and accept a key? People who wanted to run the content now have to run it twice, because of people who did not want to run the content in the first place? And those people are enticed to run it more for half the reward each run because... reasons?
I have been playing NW since June 2013. Waited til it was no longer Beta. Since that June, I have played consistently (daily ). I was entertained and met other players while delving into my first MMORPG. That it was free to play (at the beginning) was an added incentive. I have gradually learned some of the ropes to online gaming. I still think it is quite fun. But I think my days of play are over (hope not), for this is turning into a badly run "gambling venture." My Zen is spent, I believe, wisely on entertainment, that allows me the satisfaction of progressing through the content (love buying fashion wear, but end up buying life scrolls). My AD is my way of sustaining a level (although still very moderate) of ability to enjoy and have others enjoy group gaming as well. That said, you gave me the character slots (so hard to pick a favorite class, I want to play them all . . . and play them well). You have given me the avenue of creating AD (besides the Zen I spend, ty hubby, it is on your credit card, but then you get the game credit for it lol) through professions. Now, you are saying a whole lot about how removing AD acquired by tasks in leadership will so improve the game. I am sorry to hear this. I am so glad that you are not in charge of the U.S. Federal Reserve. Simple economics do start with supply and demand, however complex economics goes into how that exchange is achieved.
I am not even going to go into all the reasons why taking away the acquiring of AD through leadership is a bad idea. Many posts already address that and much better than I. However the way the game is set up and the cost involved is hardly even discussed. You are just coming up with a great plan and . . .
Your note on this really does not inform us at all about how we are to progress in the game as is, it only says that this is an update on changes that you have already decided that you are implementing. Really? An update? Or is it just more cuts? I feel more like this is the scene where Ripley says to Ashe that (the beacon) it looks like a warning. And like Ashe, you are more than willing to bypass player questions with flimsy and sometimes condescending comments. Hey, folks, it will be so much better now.
I have been playing NW since June 2013. Waited til it was no longer Beta. Since that June, I have played consistently (daily ). I was entertained and met other players while delving into my first MMORPG. That it was free to play (at the beginning) was an added incentive. I have gradually learned some of the ropes to online gaming. I still think it is quite fun. But I think my days of play are over (hope not), for this is turning into a badly run "gambling venture." My Zen is spent, I believe, wisely on entertainment, that allows me the satisfaction of progressing through the content (love buying fashion wear, but end up buying life scrolls). My AD is my way of sustaining a level (although still very moderate) of ability to enjoy and have others enjoy group gaming as well. That said, you gave me the character slots (so hard to pick a favorite class, I want to play them all . . . and play them well). You have given me the avenue of creating AD (besides the Zen I spend, ty hubby, it is on your credit card, but then you get the game credit for it lol) through professions. Now, you are saying a whole lot about how removing AD acquired by tasks in leadership will so improve the game. I am sorry to hear this. I am so glad that you are not in charge of the U.S. Federal Reserve. Simple economics do start with supply and demand, however complex economics goes into how that exchange is achieved.
I am not even going to go into all the reasons why taking away the acquiring of AD through leadership is a bad idea. Many posts already address that and much better than I. However the way the game is set up and the cost involved is hardly even discussed. You are just coming up with a great plan and . . .
Your note on this really does not inform us at all about how we are to progress in the game as is, it only says that this is an update on changes that you have already decided that you are implementing. Really? An update? Or is it just more cuts? I feel more like this is the scene where Ripley says to Ashe that (the beacon) it looks like a warning. And like Ashe, you are more than willing to bypass player questions with flimsy and sometimes condescending comments. Hey, folks, it will be so much better now.
Another good and firmly put with some arguments feedback. Sadly I see no constructive or logical or even mathematically correct answers on other side... I just hope You won't quit! We lost way to many good ol' player since yesterday. Not mention that not many beters beside some Guildmasters did not leave. We need to remain, somehow or it is lost cause.
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At the moment, you can't even play anymore. Server not responding every few moments.
This is just perfect, removing all AD from LS without any compensation or change to the overall AD system, or even improving the LS tasks, and when the [censored] hits the fan, let the players deal with the fallout.
How about coming up with some real updates to this whole mess?
Agreed, but it may be too late already. I hope not, I hope to God they make the fastest and biggest reversal in corperate history ... but it may be too late.
This is escalating now.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
We’re going to be making a number of changes, all of which should increase the amount of AD most players earn in a given day.
Scott Shicoff Lead Designer
My daily Astral Diamond income has "increased" from ~20,000 per day among my three characters (not the 50+ that you for some reason allow) to ZERO! I have no time in the course of a given day to add 15 minute skirmishes, 45 minute dungeons or one-sided PVP matches that always end with the message NO REWARDS. My only viable way to accumulate AD within available time constraints came from competing leadership tasks while I attempted to grind the necessary repetitions required for level advancement. You have taken that from me.
Solo player perception of your comment is that you allow ridiculous numbers of alt armies and bots to control your game economy, at the expense of solo players that are in it for the love of the game and not profit takers. If your actions are the only way that you can control your own game economy, say so. Do not lie to the legitimate players in order to justify your actions.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
edited September 2015
Hope Scott Shicoff has a wizard's hat and a 1000% speed mount. Cause these fixes need to come out... like... NOW..?
He'll proly just fix the dungeons rewarding you with less than advertised anyway... You'll still have to grind twice as long for the old reward.....
Oh, and GMoP are still unobtainable for the little guy.
Nero fiddled. Caesar just got a bunch of knives in his back. ;-)
Sir - Caesar became a title. And I couldn't recall his name at the time, so...
Fun fact, btw: Caesar means hairy - so does Julius, if I recall... He was a doubly hairy baby, so goes the tale. Maybe that's why they needed to invent the namesake caesarian section to birth him; his hair got in the way.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
ARE WE PERFECTLY CLEAR?
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The problem is that NO ONE WANTS ASTRAL DIAMONDS - except to convert it to Zen Points. Anyone buying Zen Points will spend it directly in the Zen market and not convert it to Astral Diamonds because there is no market for AD - everything of interest to spend AD on is no longer in the AH because it is all Bind on Pickup; people can't sell it; I can't buy it.
So why on earth would I trade Zen for AD when there is nothing to buy with AD except the cheap stuff that I can just earn enough AD to buy?
This is your Catch-22 Cryptic. You want to balance the economy? Then created REWARDS that people WANT, that they can SELL IN THE AH.
Then there would be some incentive to want Astral Diamonds. Then if I can't earn it fast enough I'll buy Zen and exchange it. But right now, as someone willing to buy Zen to exchange for AD to buy stuff - why would I? There's nothing interesting to buy.
Get to the root of the economic problem: Make quest rewards BETTER instead of the HAMSTER-ola that barely justifies playing at all because right now I play more for the action than the rewards that I just leave laying on the ground polluting the zone.
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I have converted Zen to AD regularly. But not with the price collapsing the way it is.
Just a nod from the devs, even a blank one from the hinkey "unknown" account would be nice. Just pretend to give a HAMSTER. Then again, if the higher-ups know what a mess they've made, it is reasonable to imagine the mother of all conference meetings is going on as we speak.
One can hope. Somebody has to be looking at the bottom line.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
Just a nod from the devs, even a blank one from the hinkey "unknown" account would be nice. Just pretend to give a HAMSTER. Then again, if the higher-ups know what a mess they've made, it is reasonable to imagine the mother of all conference meetings is going on as we speak.
One can hope.
Hear, hear. The total radio silence is really disturbing and distressing. An earth-shaking change like this really demands better communication.
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I need to login. I need to have some talk with my guild. I need to know what's going on in that admin channel.Sadly, no-one is talking. I hate this feeling... forget being out of the loop, it feels like there's no loop to be in anymore.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
Hear, hear. The total radio silence is really disturbing and distressing. An earth-shaking change like this really demands better communication.
Sadly: does not seem like it will happen. Possibly highest brass is right now pointing fingers and trying to decide who they can fire with blame for their decisions so that this loss won't make whole company stall. In second priority they might think what to do to fix things a bit (but saving themselves comes 1st)
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I understand some of what you were trying to do with this new AD move, but I think you are missing some vital info. Previously you changed "gear score" to "item level" I think so people wouldn't be elitists - guess what...it failed. Unless friends or guildies want to do a dungeon run, I can't even get in a group because my IL is "too low". I can sit around for an hour waiting to be qued! Now you tell me that basically the only way to get AD now is to do dungeons and skirmishes? Well, that's not going to happen with the elitists out there. All I see is "LFG 2.5k or better IL required"! I understand they want to get thru as fast as possible, but really? I've been kicked from groups because my IL isn't to their standard. SO how am I supposed to dungeons now? Just waste time sitting hoping to get qued? Spend time searching for a group of non-elitists? How will I get better gear without AD and not being "good enough" to do a dungeon? If I do this that will be all I get done. I won't have time for any other content.
Maybe the AD in leadership was a bit much, but getting rid of it completely was maybe not the answer. So now instead of taking maybe a week or so to get enough AD to buy something from AH, it could take months. Being a casual player and one who mostly solos, well I don't really have that kind of time. I guess you are trying to cater to the big guilds and those who spend actual money. I may continue playing, but only because I enjoy talking with the people I've met, it won't be because this game is fun. It used to be, but you've really killed it since MOD 6. I wish you luck in getting people to stay. I wish all the guilds luck too since getting market places requires an enourmous amount of AD. Oh, and speaking of small guilds - you've pretty much killed them as well.
I understand some of what you were trying to do with this new AD move, but I think you are missing some vital info. Previously you changed "gear score" to "item level" I think so people wouldn't be elitists - guess what...it failed. Unless friends or guildies want to do a dungeon run, I can't even get in a group because my IL is "too low". I can sit around for an hour waiting to be qued! Now you tell me that basically the only way to get AD now is to do dungeons and skirmishes? Well, that's not going to happen with the elitists out there. All I see is "LFG 2.5k or better IL required"! I understand they want to get thru as fast as possible, but really? I've been kicked from groups because my IL isn't to their standard. SO how am I supposed to dungeons now? Just waste time sitting hoping to get qued? Spend time searching for a group of non-elitists? How will I get better gear without AD and not being "good enough" to do a dungeon? If I do this that will be all I get done. I won't have time for any other content.
Maybe the AD in leadership was a bit much, but getting rid of it completely was maybe not the answer. So now instead of taking maybe a week or so to get enough AD to buy something from AH, it could take months. Being a casual player and one who mostly solos, well I don't really have that kind of time. I guess you are trying to cater to the big guilds and those who spend actual money. I may continue playing, but only because I enjoy talking with the people I've met, it won't be because this game is fun. It used to be, but you've really killed it since MOD 6. I wish you luck in getting people to stay. I wish all the guilds luck too since getting market places requires an enourmous amount of AD. Oh, and speaking of small guilds - you've pretty much killed them as well.
The disparity between larger and smaller guilds that will inevitably become an even larger issue is troubling on top of all the other issues at hand. It's a terrible mess. Running dungeons is also going to be an issue with dwindling population on top of guilds dwindling themselves.
Can Anyone explain to me why for the past few days nobody from Cryptic or Perfect World answered to any of posts on this 55 pages long discussion? It really shows how much they actually care about what the player base thinks about their ridiculous update. Sure this game is free to play and they have the right to do anything they want but the 1 million dollar question is why destroy a game that provides company with very decent income? Guess we will never get to know. Have fun playing if you can live with this kind of business model.
Cryptic's staff popped smoked and dropped artillery. That is... they are conducting a retrograde maneuver... or, in other words, they're hiding in a hole waiting for us to stop shooting at them. Once everyone quiets down, they can get back to finding more ways to squeeze more money out of players while telling you the change is to fix something. I mean, they're not lying I guess - it's to fix falling revenues, and maybe to fix the fact the bosses need to get themselves into new 2016 BMWs... I mean, the 2015s are so..... this year.
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Or a dork. I'm comfortable with that, too.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
Cryptic's staff popped smoked and dropped artillery. That is... they are conducting a retrograde maneuver... or, in other words, they're hiding in a hole waiting for us to stop shooting at them. Once everyone quiets down, they can get back to finding more ways to squeeze more money out of players while telling you the change is to fix something. I mean, they're not lying I guess - it's to fix falling revenues, and maybe to fix the fact the bosses need to get themselves into new 2016 BMWs... I mean, the 2015s are so..... this year.
They are probably under the impression that the next module will somehow fix everything, all the while ignoring how much bad sentiment and PR they are creating through all of this and the manner in which they are handling our concerns. Yet if larger mmos can't be saved by a shiny new module, what hopes does Neverwinter have? Another reason why the manner in which they are not only handling all the issues they have before them but handling how people comment on this issue is not only terrible but the most counter-intuitive and counterproductive thing I have ever encountered in a long while. I went from being willing to not buying anything but still playing to now getting ready to uninstall the game. Messing up ADs, messing with the foundry community, strongholds, I don't see why one should bother at this point.
Crazy suggestion, these changes have come about because AD is too valuable, you need to devalue the currency so I suggest
1. triple the price limit of AD in the zen to AD exchange, it's currently maxed at 500 AD per Zen, change that to a Max of 1500 AD per Zen 2. lower the price of items in the Wondrous Bazaar, drop the prices to 10% of the current prices and people will buy these things 3. Open up the old dungeons and make all gear bind on equip, that will get things moving in the exchange as people can run dungeons for fun and profit, not to mention encouraging people to take part in the new stronghold events as they can purchase the newer gear and not be a burden on their team for not having BIS gear
The problem right now is that because it costs so much to do anything with AD people are hoarding it, I promoted one (1) companion to epic quality, but the cost is prohibitive so I won't be doing that again, same with improving mounts. The basic cost of doing anything with AD is too darn high!
P.S. give back the AD to leadership tasks, without it it's as pointless as all the other professions
Dude. 500 Ad per Zen is devalued. Consider that you can only refine 24000 Ad per day. That's 48 Zen per day... if you can hit the cap. AND if you raise the Ad to Zen, THEN you raise the buying power of Zen in game.
Which then makes it MUCH cheaper from a cash standpoint to buy stuff in game. Not going to happen my man.
i like your idea on drops, but again, not going to happen. The trend in NW is to bind everything to a toon, and only that toon, which forces you to either spend cash or grind the hell out of said toon to get the toon to a point where it's actually dangerous.
How long will it take them, to bring the Leadership tasks into a more reasonable line? - upgrading the rewards - adjusting the time needed for some task The things, they should have done, before only removing AD from it...
they'll get right on that, right after they bring back pre-mod6 dungeons, fix the foundry, and the multitude of bugs, and broken class power/features.
Well said and a point well taken. You'd think that they would try and fix everything before putting out more mods. But so far that just hasn't happened.
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The part most dont comment on is it's way more than just sitting there all day in the Gateway... just clicking.
If you wanted to do LS right you needed 9 slots opened up. It was FAR more than just levelling LS to 25, heck I was happy to get X guys to 20, then the bombshell it was expanded to 25 and WE JUST GOT DONE WITH THAT GRIND THANK YOU.... how long have we been 25 maybe 1 or 2 months??? LOL
Just to get the 9 slots was a pain aside from the 1-25 LS grind.
So in short:
Level a guy to 60
Get 3 Professions to 20
Get Leadership to 20
"(Ridiculous Work) * X"
HEHEH.... LOL
And YEP I agree this should be a game about kicking HAMSTER with fantasy guys but low and behold nothing rare drops, nothing can be farmed, there are no rewards or surprises, NOTHING.
Who wants to grind out the same Skirmishes/PVP/and a whopping 3 dungeons (wow)....
For what amounts to next to ridiculously laughable AD rewards compared to the cost structure set in the game.
Strongholds???? OMG.
Well, maybe if the game survives the week, I'll be able to get one of the Phase Spiders in the guild's bank. Or maybe all three. That would be cool. Assuming there's anyone left to move me up some ranks.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
Bots of course!
I am not even going to go into all the reasons why taking away the acquiring of AD through leadership is a bad idea. Many posts already address that and much better than I. However the way the game is set up and the cost involved is hardly even discussed. You are just coming up with a great plan and . . .
Your note on this really does not inform us at all about how we are to progress in the game as is, it only says that this is an update on changes that you have already decided that you are implementing. Really? An update? Or is it just more cuts? I feel more like this is the scene where Ripley says to Ashe that (the beacon) it looks like a warning. And like Ashe, you are more than willing to bypass player questions with flimsy and sometimes condescending comments. Hey, folks, it will be so much better now.
Say you love it after you need 20 GMoP and can't even afford 1-2.
This seems to be escalating quickly now.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
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Server not responding every few moments.
This is just perfect, removing all AD from LS without any compensation or change to the overall AD system, or even improving the LS tasks, and when the [censored] hits the fan, let the players deal with the fallout.
How about coming up with some real updates to this whole mess?
This is escalating now.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
Scott Shicoff
Lead Designer
My daily Astral Diamond income has "increased" from ~20,000 per day among my three characters (not the 50+ that you for some reason allow) to ZERO! I have no time in the course of a given day to add 15 minute skirmishes, 45 minute dungeons or one-sided PVP matches that always end with the message NO REWARDS. My only viable way to accumulate AD within available time constraints came from competing leadership tasks while I attempted to grind the necessary repetitions required for level advancement. You have taken that from me.
Solo player perception of your comment is that you allow ridiculous numbers of alt armies and bots to control your game economy, at the expense of solo players that are in it for the love of the game and not profit takers. If your actions are the only way that you can control your own game economy, say so. Do not lie to the legitimate players in order to justify your actions.
He'll proly just fix the dungeons rewarding you with less than advertised anyway... You'll still have to grind twice as long for the old reward.....
Oh, and GMoP are still unobtainable for the little guy.
Fun fact, btw: Caesar means hairy - so does Julius, if I recall... He was a doubly hairy baby, so goes the tale. Maybe that's why they needed to invent the namesake caesarian section to birth him; his hair got in the way.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
One can hope. Somebody has to be looking at the bottom line.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
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Sadly, no-one is talking. I hate this feeling... forget being out of the loop, it feels like there's no loop to be in anymore.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
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Maybe the AD in leadership was a bit much, but getting rid of it completely was maybe not the answer. So now instead of taking maybe a week or so to get enough AD to buy something from AH, it could take months. Being a casual player and one who mostly solos, well I don't really have that kind of time. I guess you are trying to cater to the big guilds and those who spend actual money. I may continue playing, but only because I enjoy talking with the people I've met, it won't be because this game is fun. It used to be, but you've really killed it since MOD 6. I wish you luck in getting people to stay. I wish all the guilds luck too since getting market places requires an enourmous amount of AD. Oh, and speaking of small guilds - you've pretty much killed them as well.
First you have to wait several minutes for a full group, then do the run, which also takes some time, and in the end all you get for it are +2k rAD?
Really?
I mean come on, if you want to reward us for playing, at least throw in 1k rAD per daily quest or something like it.
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Sure this game is free to play and they have the right to do anything they want but the 1 million dollar question is why destroy a game that provides company with very decent income?
Guess we will never get to know.
Have fun playing if you can live with this kind of business model.
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Listen, I sound like an English professor or something. Or a man from the nineteenth century. I do consider myself a gentleman, and a certain degree of eloquence/elocution is a part of being such an individual.
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Or a dork. I'm comfortable with that, too.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
Which then makes it MUCH cheaper from a cash standpoint to buy stuff in game. Not going to happen my man.
i like your idea on drops, but again, not going to happen. The trend in NW is to bind everything to a toon, and only that toon, which forces you to either spend cash or grind the hell out of said toon to get the toon to a point where it's actually dangerous.