Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I absolutely agree with having a tool to monitor this. Their other games like STO do it. If I have guild members who are not even doing their daily HE's to collect influence I want to be able to see that. It's not fair for players who are participating in guild activities to have members who are doing absolutely nothing in a mod designed around guild participation.
...and let guillmasters track down the ones that do absolutely nothing and slow down entire guild's effort.
AAAAANNNDDD THIS is the very reason I hope they never even entertain the very thought of such as idea. Can you say 'abuse'? There just isn't anything more to say.
Abuse, what are you talking about. The people not helping the guild they are in is abuse of the guild. NOT the other way around. If their are members not doing a thing, literally ZERO they should be kicked for inactivity. Sorry but logging on to pray every day doesn't count. If you can't at least do just your HE's for influence to help a guild you should be kicked
I'll never kick, ill never kick....Sorry I call BS on that. It is the only reason you want this feature. It's a type of force. It's like the government saying " let us monitor your cell phone, we promise not to use anything you say against you"
I can see the mailbox now.,,
Greetings (my character) we have noticed that you are not contributing what we feel is " your fair share" to the guild coffers, and we would like to inform you that we are placing you on probation. If you feel this mail has been sent in error, or you have an acceptable explaination as to why you are not meeting your quota, please feel free to contact us.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I'd vote for Yes, but only for stronghold specific donations, is shards and influence. As a member of guild leadership, I would like to know who is running content and who might not know to. Our guild is open and casual. We have members who can only log while on college break and might not have read up on strongholds b4 returning. Guilds who want to discriminate will find a reason, but there are positive uses for tracking. What if your GM doesn't donate but demands others do?
I'll never kick, ill never kick....Sorry I call BS on that. It is the only reason you want this feature. It's a type of force. It's like the government saying " let us monitor your cell phone, we promise not to use anything you say against you"
I can see the mailbox now.,,
Greetings (my character) we have noticed that you are not contributing what we feel is " your fair share" to the guild coffers, and we would like to inform you that we are placing you on probation. If you feel this mail has been sent in error, or you have an acceptable explaination as to why you are not meeting your quota, please feel free to contact us.
Sincerely,
Goo,
Leader of "Guild of Asshats"
BS? Sorry man, but if a player can't even do HE'S in their own stronghold for 5 minutes to get nearly half of their daily influence and donate I don't want them in our guild. If they care that little for the guild they are in and don't want to help it! I say kick them. We have 150 members and are doing well. Our members are working hard to progress the guild and I would like to be able to see who isn't doing anything. I'm not talking about donating ad or gear.. talking about influence..I have players asking to join who I know would contribute ..not by paying but helping to gather resources that can't be used for anything other than guild donations. So yes I want this tool
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
We shouldn't not have a tool like this because some may abuse it. That's just dumb. It's like saying we shouldn't have cars because some might drive drunk..
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
And yes most of our guild members who DO.parricipate want the people who don't gone and replaced with fellow guild members willing to help out the guild progress even if it's just doing HE'S for influence
I'll never kick, ill never kick....Sorry I call BS on that. It is the only reason you want this feature. It's a type of force. It's like the government saying " let us monitor your cell phone, we promise not to use anything you say against you"
I can see the mailbox now.,,
Greetings (my character) we have noticed that you are not contributing what we feel is " your fair share" to the guild coffers, and we would like to inform you that we are placing you on probation. If you feel this mail has been sent in error, or you have an acceptable explaination as to why you are not meeting your quota, please feel free to contact us.
Sincerely,
Goo,
Leader of "Guild of Asshats"
BS? Sorry man, but if a player can't even do HE'S in their own stronghold for 5 minutes to get nearly half of their daily influence and donate I don't want them in our guild. If they care that little for the guild they are in and don't want to help it! I say kick them. We have 150 members and are doing well. Our members are working hard to progress the guild and I would like to be able to see who isn't doing anything. I'm not talking about donating ad or gear.. talking about influence..I have players asking to join who I know would contribute ..not by paying but helping to gather resources that can't be used for anything other than guild donations. So yes I want this tool
Like I said , it's the only reason you and your ilk want the feature.
Guilds are a social entity, not a work camp. There are meriad ways to contribute to a guild, not all of them can be measured by influence.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
Star Trek Online already has a ranking system based on contributions to the fleet.
But it only gives you a "total score" and does not show details.
Guilds are not work camps, but strongholds are.
Players who do no contribute to the stronghold, have no purpose in a stronghold.
One of my favorite quotes from Matrix 2.
"There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, for as we both know, without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us. We are here because of you, Mr. Anderson. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose."
Star Trek Online already has a ranking system based on contributions to the fleet.
But it only gives you a "total score" and does not show details.
Guilds are not work camps, but strongholds are.
Players who do no contribute to the stronghold, have no purpose in a stronghold.
One of my favorite quotes from Matrix 2.
"There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, for as we both know, without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us. We are here because of you, Mr. Anderson. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose."
/facepalm
And how do you join a guild and not a stronghold? I'll be waiting for your guide to how to do so.
Guilds are not work camps, but strongholds are.
Players who do no contribute to the stronghold, have no purpose in a stronghold.
Newsflash: Neverwinter is game that is supposed to be fun and entertaining to play. A work camp is neither fun nor entertaining and never will be, so clearly by your definition Strongholds have no purpose in Neverwinter as they are work camps and should therefore be removed/discontinued at once.
Guilds in this game are there to add to the fun and entertainment for players. When that comes to an end, for example if they become work camps, then they have no place in this game.
And how do you join a guild and not a stronghold? I'll be waiting for your guide to how to do so.
You can't. If you have nothing useful to add to the discussion, I suggest trolling another thread.
Or maybe you should stop writing nonsense that has no point. I called you on a lie that you told to support an idea that can only hurt the game. Get over it.
Or maybe you should stop writing nonsense that has no point. I called you on a lie that you told to support an idea that can only hurt the game. Get over it.
I have never lied on this forum. Prove it ... but you can't because almost every comment your write on this forum is only one or two sentences.
Let me explain about the difference between a guild and stronghold in simple words which you can understand.
A stronghold is not a guild. A guild is not a stronghold.
A stronghold is PART of a guild.
What you do in a stronghold is akin to a work camp.
What you do outside the stronghold (while still inside in the guild) may or may not involve work.
If you don't want to contribute to the stronghold, then you have no purpose in a stronghold.
Membership in a guild is tied to membership in a stronghold, but they are both distinct entities.
In case some people don't know what work means:
definition of work in google:
1. activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a result.
Currently, guild leaders can kick lower rank guild members at any time. If you can't handle that, then form your own guild, or be guildless or quit the game.
When a guild reaches 150 accounts, what will happen? Perhaps, the guild leader will start kicking players. He can do this based on actual donation records, or the guild leader can simply guess. If a guild is willing to kick out players in order to bring in new players, then he will do it, whether or not he has donation records or not. Do you believe a lack of donation records will actually inhibit a guild leader from kicking? In my opinion, absolutely not.
I am waiting for your one or two sentence rebuke.... lol.
Remember to quote my enter comment so that everyone can waste more time by re-reading it. lol
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
Yesterday I gave a green level 60 artifact (Lethander's) belt to my only other guild mate (yes, there's only 2 of us) for a couple of hours of doing Heroic Encounters together.
That's just an example, and of course, and I wouldn't be able to keep up with this kind of rewards in the long run, but it's still all open to guild master, as they say it's the thought that counts.
A whole 6k value artifact. Yeah, it's clear you don't really want it for "rewards," as I am sure everyone trying to use that excuse doesn't. This would only be used to kick people.
Its not this at all, its that members could be not contributing in ANY way whatsoever and freeloading on everyone else's donations. This would be used to talk to people who arent helping at all. Its always better to have this sort of thing so players can know who is helping.
It also encourages players who arent doing as much as others to step up their game. Im 10000% behind a contribution tracker.
Its a bad idea it a would cause arguments and maybe more glitches in the game even contribute to lagg depending how many are in that place at one time, if you want to see who's on you can press G and look.
Or maybe you should stop writing nonsense that has no point. I called you on a lie that you told to support an idea that can only hurt the game. Get over it.
I have never lied on this forum. Prove it ... but you can't because almost every comment your write on this forum is only one or two sentences.
Let me explain about the difference between a guild and stronghold in simple words which you can understand.
A stronghold is not a guild. A guild is not a stronghold.
A stronghold is PART of a guild.
What you do in a stronghold is akin to a work camp.
What you do outside the stronghold (while still inside in the guild) may or may not involve work.
If you don't want to contribute to the stronghold, then you have no purpose in a stronghold.
Membership in a guild is tied to membership in a stronghold, but they are both distinct entities.
In case some people don't know what work means:
definition of work in google:
1. activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a result.
Currently, guild leaders can kick lower rank guild members at any time. If you can't handle that, then form your own guild, or be guildless or quit the game.
When a guild reaches 150 accounts, what will happen? Perhaps, the guild leader will start kicking players. He can do this based on actual donation records, or the guild leader can simply guess. If a guild is willing to kick out players in order to bring in new players, then he will do it, whether or not he has donation records or not. Do you believe a lack of donation records will actually inhibit a guild leader from kicking? In my opinion, absolutely not.
I am waiting for your one or two sentence rebuke.... lol.
Remember to quote my enter comment so that everyone can waste more time by re-reading it. lol
I will quote it all thanks. Tablets make breaking it apart too much work. Deal with it.
Your lie is the implication that strongholds and guilds are not one and the same now. They are all the same thing now. You can't have one without the other. You just admitted this, and admitted the lie. When you have to twist things like a politician the way you do, it's pathetic.
Oh and brevity is a virtue in writing.
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Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
Guilds and strongholds and work camps and.. and.. and...
It's pretty simple, really. The entire game could be considered a "work camp"... we grind for gear and boons and levels and treasures and whatever else motivates us to keep pressing "W" (or "T", if you're lazy like me).
At its base level, the SH is no different than any other aspect of the game. We're still grinding for gear and boons and levels and treasures and whatever else motivates us to keep pressing "W" (or "T", if you're lazy like me).
For characters running in Elemental Evil: they can grab the dailies from the Ranger (kill 50 bad guys) and the Master of Coin (do 4 EE quests), the Cleric gives out level-appropriate "go do this dungeon" quests, and in addition to the SH-related prizes they get from those NPCs, they also get extra XP. That's a win-win.
For the level 70 crowd, same thing: the Master of Coin gives out her daily "support" quest for a campaign area that the 70s are most likely already doing, the Cleric gives out level-appropriate "go do this dungeon" quests, and in addition to the SH-related prizes they get from those NPCs, they also get extra XP. That's a win-win.
HOWEVER... since we are now playing on the biggest map to date, there are lots of things to do just in the SH map... the HEs (grab the daily HE quest from the Ranger first!), the dailies from the builder, Dragonflight... it's additional content! Not just the same boring grind of EE or the campaigns.
So here's the kicker: no matter what most characters are currently doing, they can earn stuff for the Stronghold, with very little, if any, additional effort.
My thoughts on this: if a player can't take the extra minute to get the dailies from the SH NPCs, then they aren't interested in being a part of the guild, our community, so if they want to keep running solo, they can run solo... without that additional line of text under their name.
This isn't about "work camps". This isn't about "forcing" anyone to do anything, to include "forcing" the Guild to carry the deadweight.
...another thing to be considered: With the mimic's current perma-overstuffing problems ANY picture and / or conclusion drawn from a contribution chart will be totally skewed.
Guilds that are more oriented towards hard core progression than comradery will use a tool like this. Guilds that are more comradery oriented than progression will not.
The existence of it or not would only matter for people whom are in a hard core progression guild but are not actually helping them progress "enough". In which case they are in the wrong guild anyway.
For those guilds focusing hard on progression it gives them another tool to further organize and/or help people whom may not understand what they can do to help.
For those guilds that could care less what x person contributes it won't be used. /shrug
I would probably say the ideal scenario would be the ability to show or hide the tracker for a given guild's stronghold. That way for guilds that are worried about it becoming a sore spot between members they keep it flagged as hidden.
On the whole I doubt it would be a huge problem. Our guild leaders are pretty chill and if they used it for anything it would be to check with anyone struggling to see if they need help or don't understand how strong hold works etc.
If you're worried about it in your guild... maybe you're in the wrong guild... or are just being paranoid? /shrug
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I believe that the GM and the person who donated should be able to see it. It would be great to keep track of how much you yourself donated. I also believe it would be great to see how active members are in the guild as well. I don't see a reason why it would be a problem. The guild I'm in wouldn't care about donation amount, but it would still be neat to see it for competitiveness. I vote yes. At least let me see my own contribution if no one else though. From day one, I immediately was trying to find out if there was a way to check and most people in the guild were trying too without anyone else mentioning it first to them.
It would be meaningless to fight with you now. You're too scared and ashamed. Live with the shock. Keep it bottled up inside you. Silently.
-Goku-
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
Even real life social groups have memberships fees. I doubt most people would even continue to invite a person to there tabletop D&D sessions who never contributes to the pizza fund and drinks everybody else's Mountain Dew, unless that person had very good reasons.
Guilds that are more oriented towards hard core progression than comradery will use a tool like this. Guilds that are more comradery oriented than progression will not.
The existence of it or not would only matter for people whom are in a hard core progression guild but are not actually helping them progress "enough". In which case they are in the wrong guild anyway.
For those guilds focusing hard on progression it gives them another tool to further organize and/or help people whom may not understand what they can do to help.
For those guilds that could care less what x person contributes it won't be used. /shrug
I would probably say the ideal scenario would be the ability to show or hide the tracker for a given guild's stronghold. That way for guilds that are worried about it becoming a sore spot between members they keep it flagged as hidden.
On the whole I doubt it would be a huge problem. Our guild leaders are pretty chill and if they used it for anything it would be to check with anyone struggling to see if they need help or don't understand how strong hold works etc.
If you're worried about it in your guild... maybe you're in the wrong guild... or are just being paranoid? /shrug
...and let guillmasters track down the ones that do absolutely nothing and slow down entire guild's effort.
AAAAANNNDDD THIS is the very reason I hope they never even entertain the very thought of such as idea. Can you say 'abuse'? There just isn't anything more to say.
Abuse, what are you talking about. The people not helping the guild they are in is abuse of the guild. NOT the other way around. If their are members not doing a thing, literally ZERO they should be kicked for inactivity. Sorry but logging on to pray every day doesn't count. If you can't at least do just your HE's for influence to help a guild you should be kicked
That's a great point. I feel as though if you are just joining for the benefit of what the guild has, then you're mooching. It takes a lot of work to build that stuff. If you can't donate just a little then clearly you're not in it for the guild at all. It doesn't take long to just do the daily dungeon it gives you or the influence. Any activity is good. I'm with you on this. If you can't pitch in at all, then it hurts the guild. It takes longer and that's not fair to the other members.
It would be meaningless to fight with you now. You're too scared and ashamed. Live with the shock. Keep it bottled up inside you. Silently.
-Goku-
Your lie is the implication that strongholds and guilds are not one and the same now. They are all the same thing now. You can't have one without the other. You just admitted this, and admitted the lie. When you have to twist things like a politician the way you do, it's pathetic.
1. I did not simply imply that strongholds and guilds are not the same. I explicity stated it.
2. It's your choice whether or not to believe stronghold = guild. You can make a new guild and never enter the stronghold. Upgrading the stronghold is optional.
3. You don't know what "lie" means. Lie means "intentional deception". A lie does not mean "to say/write something which is false". To prove that I lied, you must show that I INTEND to deceive.
Your lie is the implication that strongholds and guilds are not one and the same now. They are all the same thing now. You can't have one without the other. You just admitted this, and admitted the lie. When you have to twist things like a politician the way you do, it's pathetic.
1. I did not simply imply that strongholds and guilds are not the same. I explicity stated it.
2. It's your choice whether or not to believe stronghold = guild. You can make a new guild and never enter the stronghold. Upgrading the stronghold is optional.
3. You don't know what "lie" means. Lie means "intentional deception". A lie does not mean "to say/write something which is false". To prove that I lied, you must show that I INTEND to deceive.
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Abuse, what are you talking about. The people not helping the guild they are in is abuse of the guild. NOT the other way around. If their are members not doing a thing, literally ZERO they should be kicked for inactivity. Sorry but logging on to pray every day doesn't count. If you can't at least do just your HE's for influence to help a guild you should be kicked
I can see the mailbox now.,,
Greetings (my character) we have noticed that you are not contributing what we feel is " your fair share" to the guild coffers, and we would like to inform you that we are placing you on probation. If you feel this mail has been sent in error, or you have an acceptable explaination as to why you are not meeting your quota, please feel free to contact us.
Sincerely,
Goo,
Leader of "Guild of Asshats"
BS? Sorry man, but if a player can't even do HE'S in their own stronghold for 5 minutes to get nearly half of their daily influence and donate I don't want them in our guild. If they care that little for the guild they are in and don't want to help it! I say kick them. We have 150 members and are doing well. Our members are working hard to progress the guild and I would like to be able to see who isn't doing anything. I'm not talking about donating ad or gear.. talking about influence..I have players asking to join who I know would contribute ..not by paying but helping to gather resources that can't be used for anything other than guild donations. So yes I want this tool
Like I said , it's the only reason you and your ilk want the feature.
Guilds are a social entity, not a work camp. There are meriad ways to contribute to a guild, not all of them can be measured by influence.
But it only gives you a "total score" and does not show details.
Guilds are not work camps, but strongholds are.
Players who do no contribute to the stronghold, have no purpose in a stronghold.
One of my favorite quotes from Matrix 2.
"There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, for as we both know, without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us. We are here because of you, Mr. Anderson. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose."
/facepalm
And how do you join a guild and not a stronghold? I'll be waiting for your guide to how to do so.
You can't. If you have nothing useful to add to the discussion, I suggest trolling another thread.
Guilds in this game are there to add to the fun and entertainment for players. When that comes to an end, for example if they become work camps, then they have no place in this game.
I have never lied on this forum. Prove it ... but you can't because almost every comment your write on this forum is only one or two sentences.
Let me explain about the difference between a guild and stronghold in simple words which you can understand.
A stronghold is not a guild. A guild is not a stronghold.
A stronghold is PART of a guild.
What you do in a stronghold is akin to a work camp.
What you do outside the stronghold (while still inside in the guild) may or may not involve work.
If you don't want to contribute to the stronghold, then you have no purpose in a stronghold.
Membership in a guild is tied to membership in a stronghold, but they are both distinct entities.
In case some people don't know what work means:
definition of work in google:
1. activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a result.
Currently, guild leaders can kick lower rank guild members at any time. If you can't handle that, then form your own guild, or be guildless or quit the game.
When a guild reaches 150 accounts, what will happen? Perhaps, the guild leader will start kicking players. He can do this based on actual donation records, or the guild leader can simply guess. If a guild is willing to kick out players in order to bring in new players, then he will do it, whether or not he has donation records or not. Do you believe a lack of donation records will actually inhibit a guild leader from kicking? In my opinion, absolutely not.
I am waiting for your one or two sentence rebuke.... lol.
Remember to quote my enter comment so that everyone can waste more time by re-reading it. lol
Its not this at all, its that members could be not contributing in ANY way whatsoever and freeloading on everyone else's donations. This would be used to talk to people who arent helping at all. Its always better to have this sort of thing so players can know who is helping.
It also encourages players who arent doing as much as others to step up their game. Im 10000% behind a contribution tracker.
I will quote it all thanks. Tablets make breaking it apart too much work. Deal with it.
Your lie is the implication that strongholds and guilds are not one and the same now. They are all the same thing now. You can't have one without the other. You just admitted this, and admitted the lie. When you have to twist things like a politician the way you do, it's pathetic.
Oh and brevity is a virtue in writing.
It's pretty simple, really. The entire game could be considered a "work camp"... we grind for gear and boons and levels and treasures and whatever else motivates us to keep pressing "W" (or "T", if you're lazy like me).
At its base level, the SH is no different than any other aspect of the game. We're still grinding for gear and boons and levels and treasures and whatever else motivates us to keep pressing "W" (or "T", if you're lazy like me).
For characters running in Elemental Evil: they can grab the dailies from the Ranger (kill 50 bad guys) and the Master of Coin (do 4 EE quests), the Cleric gives out level-appropriate "go do this dungeon" quests, and in addition to the SH-related prizes they get from those NPCs, they also get extra XP. That's a win-win.
For the level 70 crowd, same thing: the Master of Coin gives out her daily "support" quest for a campaign area that the 70s are most likely already doing, the Cleric gives out level-appropriate "go do this dungeon" quests, and in addition to the SH-related prizes they get from those NPCs, they also get extra XP. That's a win-win.
HOWEVER... since we are now playing on the biggest map to date, there are lots of things to do just in the SH map... the HEs (grab the daily HE quest from the Ranger first!), the dailies from the builder, Dragonflight... it's additional content! Not just the same boring grind of EE or the campaigns.
So here's the kicker: no matter what most characters are currently doing, they can earn stuff for the Stronghold, with very little, if any, additional effort.
My thoughts on this: if a player can't take the extra minute to get the dailies from the SH NPCs, then they aren't interested in being a part of the guild, our community, so if they want to keep running solo, they can run solo... without that additional line of text under their name.
This isn't about "work camps". This isn't about "forcing" anyone to do anything, to include "forcing" the Guild to carry the deadweight.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
Only the early bird can contribute. Doh.
Guilds that are more oriented towards hard core progression than comradery will use a tool like this. Guilds that are more comradery oriented than progression will not.
The existence of it or not would only matter for people whom are in a hard core progression guild but are not actually helping them progress "enough". In which case they are in the wrong guild anyway.
For those guilds focusing hard on progression it gives them another tool to further organize and/or help people whom may not understand what they can do to help.
For those guilds that could care less what x person contributes it won't be used. /shrug
I would probably say the ideal scenario would be the ability to show or hide the tracker for a given guild's stronghold. That way for guilds that are worried about it becoming a sore spot between members they keep it flagged as hidden.
On the whole I doubt it would be a huge problem. Our guild leaders are pretty chill and if they used it for anything it would be to check with anyone struggling to see if they need help or don't understand how strong hold works etc.
If you're worried about it in your guild... maybe you're in the wrong guild... or are just being paranoid? /shrug
-Goku-
+1 to all of this
That's a great point. I feel as though if you are just joining for the benefit of what the guild has, then you're mooching. It takes a lot of work to build that stuff. If you can't donate just a little then clearly you're not in it for the guild at all. It doesn't take long to just do the daily dungeon it gives you or the influence. Any activity is good. I'm with you on this. If you can't pitch in at all, then it hurts the guild. It takes longer and that's not fair to the other members.
-Goku-
That's true, though it still:
1. I did not simply imply that strongholds and guilds are not the same. I explicity stated it.
2. It's your choice whether or not to believe stronghold = guild. You can make a new guild and never enter the stronghold. Upgrading the stronghold is optional.
3. You don't know what "lie" means. Lie means "intentional deception". A lie does not mean "to say/write something which is false". To prove that I lied, you must show that I INTEND to deceive.