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Sorry is this has been discussed before. Just curious to see what people think. Your in space pvp match your battering your opponent, there almost dead and then they run away with engine batteries, or evasive manoeuvres etc.
When it happens to you do you think its smart game play or just find it annoying as hell. Do you do it yourself or do you always stay and fight.
I am of the belief that anything goes in pvp, you do what you have to to win but every time I see someone running way its bugs the hell out of me.
Discuss.
When it happens to you do you think its smart game play or just find it annoying as hell. Do you do it yourself or do you always stay and fight.
I am of the belief that anything goes in pvp, you do what you have to to win but every time I see someone running way its bugs the hell out of me.
Discuss.
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In short I use it, and i find it annoying ashell when my own evasive is down. There is a honorable mention to a famous fed (without naming him) but hes damn good at running but not so much at the other stuff.
What im saying is be smart your dying have 10 ppl shooting at you and 5 seconds of rsp left and your on 40% hull and evasive manouvers are up... wanna die or run?
About this:
It's exactly what keeps PvP numbers so low. A little bit of sportsmanship would be a good idea - mind you, it doesn't mean losing.
I just can't see running away as bad sportsmanship. But it might just be one of those nebulous terms that everyone will define for himself. I see bad sportsmanship more in people that throw around insults and create a hostile social atmosphere. I think that indicates it has gone beyond sports and play and is getting personal. If both sides have agreed to such behavior, I wouldn't see it as a problem. The implicit agreement in participating in PvP for me is that everyone uses all the abilities allowed in the game. (Even if they are OP, actually. I can choose to not use OP stuff, but can't expect others to do it. I would expect the game creator to fix such issues, though). I do not see an implicit agreement for being insulted.
After PVP ing in the past 2 months as a Klingon BOP pilot, I have been trying out my FED Commander in his escort in a few PVP matches.
Those Darn Klinks! Always running away! Is what I found myself saying. And I was steamed that they were much better at escaping than I was as a BOP pilot.
So much to learn.
I feel that it is a valid tactic that you have to deal with and you would be a fool to not use everthing at your disposal to win a match. If you have to run to deny an enemy a kill, thats what you do.
Granted, I hate when I'm shooting at an almost dead escort and he zooms out of range with 2% hull left, but I would never talk smack about it. I can't stand when people complain about a perfectly viable strategy. To me that falls into the same category as people who complain when they fly alone into a group of 5 enemy ships and after they die they say something like "haha cowards it took 5 of you to kill me".
Running away may not be the best strategy in a cap. and hold situation, but nonetheless its a part of the game and it is completely fair.
Id have to say he's the best lol but if you catch him you've done something....
But to the question I dont call it running I call it playing my ship to its best tactical advantage I fly a BoP and
thats what it is made for Hit & Run so I look at it like this, If it P#$*^# my opponent off and they talk smack
then Im doing my job right.
Its like Patton said (Dont die for your country (Faction) Make the other poor SOB die for his)
I actually wish I was much better at running away. Most of the time, when I hit evasive maneuvers, I just start zigzagging like an idiot. Kinda reminds me of the mythbusters episode where they tested whether you could escape a croc by running from side to side--you really can't. I guess space combat works the same way.
Also, I'm usually too lazy to do it, but you can spiral upwards to get out of their weapon arcs most of the time (the reason you spiral is to get a steeper vertical climb).
For one in the words of my commander it is not running away it is tactical maneuvering. If you think it is cowardly then you probably run two RSPs and if you do not implement it your combat tactics are flawed. I hear this all the time run coward or cloak and hide coward follow by the sound of my uncloaking BoP exploding them. Of course then I am a coward for cloaking after the cruiser firers off their second RSP and I cloak and wait for it to drop. The Skill of a good pilot is to win the fight not using all tactic available to me is lacking in skill. The funniest part of all this is a Engineer cruiser chaining RSP and using AUX 2 SIF 3 and so on. Thinks I should uncloak 15k out tell him I am going to hit and stand face to face with him until one of us is dead. If I do not do that I have no skill and he does well thats why 90% of the time he dies and I win. Or maybe it is a instance were 2 BoPs are required to take down a proper cruiser pilot and you get the ya it toke two of you line. Well ya your still dead and I am not this is an mmo by the way.
No sense fighting a battle that has a snowballs chance in hell of being won.
I use this tactic myself to improve my chances of survival, and it helps break up the ships attacking me (making it a little easier to survive) But I only ever really do this when its an intense battle, and I'm using almost every ability to stay alive - theres only so long that adrenaline will help me
People being smart doesn't ruin PvP.
- General George Patton Jr
If you can't keep up with a fleeing target... perhaps its time to dump those MK IV efficient engines.
lol
Please note: I'm not crying NERF, I'm just venting.
1.don't die
2.make them die.
Anything you do to make either of those things happen helps your team win.
running in a C&H doesn't really make much sense, i usually try to kamikaze if I know its hopeless, it takes less time to re-spawn than to heal that kind of damage..
That day, for no particular reason, I decided to go for a little run. So I ran to the end of the road. And when I got there, I thought maybe I'd run to the end of town. And when I got there, I thought maybe I'd just run across Greenbow County. And I figured, since I run this far, maybe I'd just run across the great state of Alabama. And that's what I did. I ran clear across Alabama. For no particular reason I just kept on going. I ran clear to the ocean. And when I got there, I figured, since I'd gone this far, I might as well turn around, just keep on going. When I got to another ocean, I figured, since I'd gone this far, I might as well just turn back, keep right on going.
when I get attcked by 2 or more
RSP 15 sec later
I pass them straight on, then click tractor beam repulse and then book it with Evasive, EPtE, and somtime Ramming speed
Is it cheap no
I built my rsv this way to act like a KDF its fun and I pick my fight with MES and better speed than everyone
Also I can catch up to those who run to so its a fair trade off like a BoP can catch me somtimes
Is it wrong simply =no
If you cry about it you need to respec if you want that prey
Iam sure all of you cruiser are ok with in 10km then cry when we play with up to 20km of free space
This adds another playstyle and stratagy to beat it.
If you dont like runners, use proper skills to deal with them.
basic tactic, its legal, not an exploit
if some1 dotn like it, he need to shut up and do somethign about it.
suicide is not the way of every1
the only way its very lame, is the star dagger aka his razor fleet sleeping tactic
cloaked for 15 minute, resulting in loosing anyway, and after, just uncloak for 2 sec hoping to kill some1 and run all day, and cloaking for an other 15 min
taking time or griefing peopel that way is good... only if you arent loosing doing it, its so ****ing dumb , wasting 1 hour on a match in a game that give you no important reward
I know who you're talking about, we both have him on our friends list.
He learned the tactic from Klingons and adopted the tactic when Cruisers weren't so tankish as they are now.
Now let me ask you all question:
Is it retreating if a person purposely jumps barely out of weapons range in order to have others give chase and drag 1, 2, or 3 others away from the furball. So that the others on your side can have a better chance in gaining victory.
Is that cowardly or smart tactics?
its a cowardly way to use smart tactics
yop. if it got hit, it must run ;D *scnr* (some of them are really tough...)
yeah, why should one NOT use his evasive skills in combat for safing his live or getting in better position? sometimes i have to use them even to close up to some fleeing oponent to finish him. or using the speedbuff from evasivemaneuvers to bring warp plasma to greater effect by spreading it wider and/or having better chances to get some ships caught in it.
I admire it because I can see it's tactical uses. In an arena match it's all about denying the opponent a kill, nothing more than that.
Even in cap and hold it can have it's uses. If I can break their lock and get forgotten, (when I am on one of my Feds), or get my cloak on in time to slip away, (like when I am on one of my Klings), I can often find a nice forgotten objective and heal while I cap.
That is why I find it annoying, I can see it's uses but that old ground holding bouncer in me refuses to let me take advantage of that knowledge in the heat of combat. This is especially true when I have found that opponent who, win or lose, makes for a real good fight. So I am left to kick myself in the butt when my target can pull it off. LOL
I say it is fair play and grumblers like me need to learn to work around it or take advantage of it. In the end a good soldier knows when to sacrifice.
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