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Iconian space set question

huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
It's about the 4 set,

Worth removing the elite fleet plasma-integrated Warp core for it or I should use the set 3 only with the spire warp core? :confused:

Which one do more damage?

Need opinions on this ;)
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    mycroft1701mycroft1701 Member Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    IMO fleet cores are almost always better than any of the reputation ones simply for the [AMP] modifier.

    However, it depends if you think the 4th set power is worth having, or if it compliments your build in some way that the [AMP] mod of the fleet core doesn't. Or if you're struggling to keep enough subsystems above 75 power for the [AMP] mod to kick in.
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    seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Well, the whole set is pretty much tailored for staying alive rather than supporting your DPS, not a bad thing but I'd rather have stuff like the Nukara 2pc or the CC deflector.
    Probably have to mention that all my 3 mains (blue,green,red ;)) are engineers, so survival really isn't an issue for them.
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    lordprotiuslordprotius Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The Core for the Iconian set gets AMP at Ultra Rare...


    Im planning either 3 pc with the Rommy Engine... or 3pc with spire core
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    simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The spire plasma infused cores reduse energy weaopns drain. I would run one of those and a three piece.
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    chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    From what I heard Jayce (I think it was him or Sarcasm Detector) on P1 Podcast was that the Defelctgor/Engines/Shield were the only things worth using for the three set bonus. Imo, the Fleet cores are the best. I wouldn't remove it. I did when I had the Delta space set but that was to remove the vaadwaur mines on screen with the four set ability.

    Up to you though. I'm going to keep my Fleet Core and go wtih the three piece.
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    mycroft1701 wrote: »
    IMO fleet cores are almost always better than any of the reputation ones simply for the [AMP] modifier.

    However, it depends if you think the 4th set power is worth having, or if it compliments your build in some way that the [AMP] mod of the fleet core doesn't. Or if you're struggling to keep enough subsystems above 75 power for the [AMP] mod to kick in.

    All rep cores get [AMP] if you upgrade to ultra-rare.
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    huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    seriousdave wrote: »
    Well, the whole set is pretty much tailored for staying alive rather than supporting your DPS

    It actually do both. The 3 piece set give 5% chance: 15% more damage to you and the your teammates within 10 km and can stacks up 3 times. You can keep the stacks uptime high if more people in the team have the set. Nukara give about 2.5% bonus damage (about 14% base damage) but it's passive (always run). I heard the Iconian set is slightly better for DPS.
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    mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huntor2 wrote: »
    It's about the 4 set,

    Worth removing the elite fleet plasma-integrated Warp core for it or I should use the set 3 only with the spire warp core? :confused:

    Which one do more damage?

    Need opinions on this ;)

    Have the 4 pc set for a few days and its great. Especially on engie and sci toons it helps alot, since those toons could use some buffing damage skills.
    simeion1 wrote: »
    The spire plasma infused cores reduse energy weaopns drain. I would run one of those and a three piece.

    No they dont. This is just a missconception and missinformation spread by the DPS crowd. Check Borticus's posts.
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1472671
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    makocallowaymakocalloway Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Which set is better built for survival, the delta set or the iconian set?
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    huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    mosul33 wrote: »
    No they dont. This is just a missconception and missinformation spread by the DPS crowd. Check Borticus's posts.
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1472671

    Interesting...

    So I guess it's the 66% regeneration rate that give more damage?

    It must be. Cuz it's well established that this warp core give more DPS than the Obelisk set (that give more damage on paper, for an AP build). From my own experience in a escort or a cruiser, this warp core always yielded more damage.
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    jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2015
    mosul33 wrote: »
    Have the 4 pc set for a few days and its great. Especially on engie and sci toons it helps alot, since those toons could use some buffing damage skills.



    No they dont. This is just a missconception and missinformation spread by the DPS crowd. Check Borticus's posts.
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1472671

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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jarvisandalfred wrote: »
    you gotta just go with what the numbers show you.

    How much of an advantage though? Put all the stuff together (and assume the set core is upgraded to add an [amp]), whats the difference in damage output vs the extra energy, healing, and team buff? Not sure anyone knows that yet, but it'd be interesting to see.
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    kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huntor2 wrote: »
    Interesting...
    Cuz it's well established that this warp core give more DPS than the Obelisk set (that give more damage on paper, for an AP build).

    Nope not no more. When AMP got fixed a bit back it stopped the AMP from procing on itself as it incorrectly had been. In other words it was double dipping. As the Fleet Core has better secondary attributes it is still better for most people though but the damage is a micro smidgen behind Ancient. Plus you can run a better beam instead of the ancient omni which pushed overall dps higher for circle strafing.
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    huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Interesting info. Having the 4 piece set is better or I should keep the spire warp core?

    Anyone parsed this?
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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I always forget, the 75 power setting, s it the second number in the power settings that has to be 75 or the first. 100/75 or 75/50 as examples.
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    huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Any power above 75 give 1 AMP
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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huntor2 wrote: »
    Any power above 75 give 1 AMP

    I understand that. Its what part of the power read out has to be at 75.
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    huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huskerklg wrote: »
    I understand that. Its what part of the power read out has to be at 75.

    The green bars also count, if its what you ask.

    Example: If you have powers set to 110/85/30/10, you get 2 AMP. But if you crank your engine power above 75 with a plasmonic leech console, you'll get 3 AMP
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    chilleechillee Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huskerklg wrote: »
    I understand that. Its what part of the power read out has to be at 75.

    Either one. The number to the left is the base power allocated; the number to the right is the actual power based on bonuses, power gained from drained, leech, etc. If the number to the right of the slash is 75+, it qualifies that subsystem for the Amp bonus
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    jerichoredoranjerichoredoran Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huntor2 wrote: »
    The green bars also count, if its what you ask.

    Example: If you have powers set to 110/85/30/10, you get 2 AMP. But if you crank your engine power above 75 with a plasmonic leech console, you'll get 3 AMP

    Not possible to set powers above 100. But that should answer it indirectly.
    chillee wrote: »
    Either one. The number to the left is the base power allocated; the number to the right is the actual power based on bonuses, power gained from drained, leech, etc. If the number to the right of the slash is 75+, it qualifies that subsystem for the Amp bonus

    You mixed that up. The base power is on the right side and the value you can directly set yourself. The left number contains the base power + power bonuses and is the one counting for [AMP].


    Iconian 4 piece is great in a group that is coordinated enough but weaker in other groups. I wouldnt go for it, but I dont know your groups...
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    skollulfr wrote: »
    get the 4 piece, upgrade the core.
    iirc, cores get amp at epic, so, similar to fleet even if other mods arent specifically the choicest.

    Even with the [AMP] and [W->S] mods the Iconian Cores get, the Core itself has very questionable stats. It has some nice perks but that default [E->S] mod is a killer for Energy Weapons based builds. Not to mention upgrading any sort of Reputation equipment is way costlier than anything else.
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    chilleechillee Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    makocalloway wrote: »
    Which set is better built for survival, the delta set or the iconian set?

    Iconian is better for survival
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