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Krenim Lockbox Blue Box Ship Concept: R'Mor Unificationist Temporal Carrier
leviathan99
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So on Enterprise, we see a ship of Vulcan configuration that is identified as a 32nd century "retrofitted dorsal carrier" onscreem. All we see is a basic MSD which identifies it as a carrier from the 32nd century and which gives us a basic idea of its configuration, which is like a 3-ring D'Kyr.
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Retrofitted_dorsal_carrier
There's a hunger for sci-ships and we see fairly few carriers.
At the same time, this is a minor ship and unlikely to be appealing as a grand prize.
My suggestions, since we haven't seen it in detail:
- Give it a Romulan hull pattern, positioning it in a post-reunification timeline.
- Name it after Telok R'Mor, the time traveling Romulan
- Make it a sci ship to please people from the Rom and KDF factions looking for another sci ship.
- Interpret "dorsal carrier" to mean that it's a flight deck sci ship, which keeps the size and turnrate at desirable levels
- Allow it to equip timeship consoles
- Maybe give it an innate (non-battle) cloak. That might make it more appealing, making it appealing to all factions since it's a cloak for Feds and a sci vessel for Klingons and Roms -- but not TOO appealing since it includes no consoles/traits and is a T5 upgradeable ship like all blue box ships
- I would suggest also putting Aeon shuttles on the Lobi store as carrier pets
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Retrofitted_dorsal_carrier
There's a hunger for sci-ships and we see fairly few carriers.
At the same time, this is a minor ship and unlikely to be appealing as a grand prize.
My suggestions, since we haven't seen it in detail:
- Give it a Romulan hull pattern, positioning it in a post-reunification timeline.
- Name it after Telok R'Mor, the time traveling Romulan
- Make it a sci ship to please people from the Rom and KDF factions looking for another sci ship.
- Interpret "dorsal carrier" to mean that it's a flight deck sci ship, which keeps the size and turnrate at desirable levels
- Allow it to equip timeship consoles
- Maybe give it an innate (non-battle) cloak. That might make it more appealing, making it appealing to all factions since it's a cloak for Feds and a sci vessel for Klingons and Roms -- but not TOO appealing since it includes no consoles/traits and is a T5 upgradeable ship like all blue box ships
- I would suggest also putting Aeon shuttles on the Lobi store as carrier pets
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Homage to Nimoy or Spock optional (I do recall there was a push for such when Nimoy passed away).
Of course, if keeping strictly to the futuretech aspect of it like Temporal ships, I'm not sure which is the lesser of the two evils; a Lobi ship or a Lockbox Prime Prize ship (homage to Nimoy or not). Given that it's still a Vulcan ship and Vulcans are still Federation. It might be better if instead they repeated the same thing they did with the Temporal ships; one unique design per Faction. So Feds would probably get the Vulcan design, Romulans a Romulan variant of the Vulcan design, and an original KDF design.
I am in favour of a new Vulcan ship (because it might even push a Tellarite ship at one point
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Already there are some joined trill scientistics in KDF same as in the Starfleet.
What about Suurok class retrofit ?
I've been asking for a sci carrier for a while. needs subsystem targeting, sensor analysis, secondary deflector, 2 hangar slots AND carrier commands.
of course, having 3 ship abilities (sensor analysis, subsystem targeting, and carrier commands,) such a ship should have a little less firepower than other sci and/or carriers--meaning either fewer than 3/3 weapons OR -weap power (perhaps as great as -15) to compensate.
+ intel seating with a "temporal battle cloak" would be nice, and maybe setting this up as a TS borg adapted would make me very happy as it would give me one more ship on which to put my Tal Shiar Adapted Borg tech set.
Which reminds me; I forget if it's some players or a Fed NPC, but I think I saw one ship named Nimoy or Spock. Probably a player ship or three, but it was hanging out with some of the static NPC ships I was randomly browsing one day.
That's not true, all federation members still have their own ships. Canonically there is for example the Vulcan Academy of Sciences which maintains their own fleet. However, member worlds aren't allowed to field an independent military fleet, so their former space navies are integrated into starfleet.
So it doesn't make sense that member worlds produce warships to fight in STOs story, that is true. However if those ships are utility and support ships here's nothing wrong with them being used alongside Starfleet operations and being crewed by Starfleet personnel.
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And there could be a Vulcan design that's offered to Starfleet for use. Basically the same story with the Atrox carrier or the Kumari: they're all designed by member species, but offered to/retrofitted and then probably produced by Starfleet.
So a ship could have a Vulcan design because it could be designed by the Vulcans and only become a Starfleet vessel later on. Would make perfect sense and it'd be a nice addition to the Federation's shipyards.
I'm thinking of it as a consolation prize (ie. the T5 blue box prizes) that go cheap on the exchange and don't come WITH gear (but which sometimes have synergy with gear).
So not really for Lobi or all that rare. I don't think demand would support a Vulcan ship like this either on the C-Store or as a grand prize but MAYBE as a "consolation prize" that people sell cheap, which would expand the factionless sci-ship options at an affordable price for players. Then, after these flood the market, Cryptic could analyze how many people (especially Klingons) spend upgrade tokens on these ships to test whether more sci ships would be worthwhile.
Well, the ship I'm talking about is explicitly in canon from a 32nd century where the Klingons are Federation members and if it turned up in game, what we'd get would be 32nd century hull stripped of anything useful by the Ferengi.
It could work as a T6 Lockbox or Lobi ship similar to what one suggested; a Sci Ship Carrier with Sensor Analysis and a secondary deflector (3/3 weapons). It's weakness would probably be the inability to use any Frigate pets and it's slow turn rate (offsetting its otherwise potent Sci capabilities).
And it would definitely be in high demand for all factions (Romulans and KDF more if it's a full Sci ship with two hangars as extra; they've been wanting a Sci ship for awhile now; moreso than a carrier). And as someone else mentioned, all factions are more or less unified in the late future, so despite it's Vulcan origins, it wouldn't be all that unusual if the Romulans and KDF also utilized it. As well, like you said, Ferengis or the Federation will have already stripped them of any valuable advanced tech (except conveniently, the console).
I think its fitting, as long as its bigger inside :P
I actually would like to see a Starfleet design based on the Vulcan "circle warp nacelles" at one point. The ships in starfleet's service should look different and feature SF hull material. There's a sabre-variant that seems to be inspired by Andorian designs in the game, for instance (I don't recall the name, though). So the Andorian, Vulcan (and hopefully one day Tellarite) and Caitian ships are, in my headcanon, indeed full member world ships, either old ones or utility/science vessels in use by independent operations but were integrated into Starfleet in a support roll.
Non-canonically there is the example of the Tellarite Space Administration which has been made a sub-department of Starfleet. Their ships were given the USS prefix and have been crewed by Starfleet personnel (or rather the TSA adapted the Starfleet uniform code and were integrated in the hierarchy). I like that concept.
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Of course it had some science capabilities but the Ent-D or -E also have that, ever ship with sensor Arrays has that and the Vulcan Tech was just more advanced than Earth ships back then..
So the T6 D'Kyr or Suurok with a different (T6) skin in honor of Nimoy. Or maybe a Suurok and a D'Kyr Cruiser named Spock class and Sarek class. Both as Cruisers with 4/4 weapons or the Suurok as Battlecruiser with 5/3 weapons. both with 4 Tac consoles. The Suurok would have more Eng and the D'Kyr more sci consoles and a Lt. Cdr Sci slot.
Suurok: Lt. Tac, Lt. Cdr. Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Cdr eng, Lt. Sci
D'Kyr :Lt. Tac, Lt, Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Cdr Eng, Lt Cdr. Sci
unless the op has PROOF of the krenim having time technology. the idea as far as i am concerned is dead.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
If the KRenim make it in the game they will be based on temporal technology. Why? Beause Cryptic. Whatever a species did at one point in canon, even if it was only certan individuals, becomes the racial trait and sole fundament of the society in question.
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A Krenim lockbox is pretty much confirmed. And the ship I'm proposing isn't a Krenim ship but is a Temporal Cold War Vulcan ship I think would be a nice thematic add-on to another temporal box. Although given the state of blue box prizes, it could really go in any lockbox (or the C-Store but I think making it a cheap-to-acquire lockbox ship would give Cryptic more data for the desirability of sci-ships).
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Krenim_weapon_ship
They did have the technology in at least one timeline to create Chroniton Torpedoes, a Temporal Core, and a Temporal weapon. It was destroyed by Voyager in the Year of Hell when Voyager went Kamikaze. Although that Kamikaze run reset the timeline, who's to say they lost the ability to create it under different circumstances. The original weapon ship was an attempt to not only restore Krenim power after a plague in the Delta Quadrant, it was used by Annorax to also try and bring back his dead wife.
The episode heavily implies that the ship is a unique construction and the restored timeline lead Annorax to not pursue those plans further back int he 22nd century. Of course you can twist that around as Cryptic will definitely do, making the Krenim temporal warfare specialists and basing everything and their dog around chroniton weapons and clicky gimmicks, but from a storytelling and cinematic perspective the episode is very clear that this doesn't happen.
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Whether or not they had the Weapon Ship, they DID have temporal technology that we just never got to see.
The Weapon Ship may have been an inevitability, like developing warp drive, but I bet they had more up their sleeves, the Iconians know about it and that's why they're such a threat.
A game Mr. Nimoy had no problem providing his voice for? I rather doubt he would mind.
We cannot say. However providing expositional voiceover and having the "Spock Class" (or even Nimoy, although that would break outside of the universe as well so I don't see that being considered) kill trillions of people casually, being measured on how much destruction in short time it can deliver - I would feel it was inappropriate, personally.
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