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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Fed politics is WHY the pew-pew, it's also why you don't get to kill T'Ket on Iconia, why you have to suck it up with the Kobali and keep helping them even though they involved you in kidnapping, hostage taking and body snatching, it's why you're helping them 'cure' the Vaadwuar innoculations, why you're doing scut work and fetching for Neelix, and why you're going to let the Hur'q off with a warning once you've hooked them up with their particular drug.
    You don't get to kill T'ket on Iconia because that would be a temporal paradox (and also stupid, see what Sela managed to accomplish). You have to suck it up with the kobali because they're the designated allies of the Adventure Zone. You run errands for Neelix because you're a player character in a videogame and running errands for every NPC who dares ask is what player characters do. And you don't "let the Hur'q off with a warning," they stop just short of winning the war and you wisely choose not to demand them to finish what they started.

    None of this has anything to do with anyone's politics. The overriding fact is you're a videogame character acting like a videogame character. Just there for the action, whatever and whereever the action is.

    And in the storyline the Alliance walks all over Federation/Starfleet principles several times. Like that benizite in the Kobali Arc, twisting the Prime Directive into a pretzel to try to support whatever agenda the Alliance was after. Pretty much the entire Iconian War, including the eventually successful changing of history to make peace with them.
    The simplest difference (which would be HUGE) would be for your KDF (Or Romulan) to be able to tell Quark "No thanks, I've got a cloaking device that already works." or to manage the House of Pegh mission with "My cloak already works, thanks, we'll be there on time".

    It's huge, because it could eliminate the need to activate certain code-strings, the missions would probably run cleaner and faster.
    Why KDF or romulan, but not Fed and jem'hadar? You can't claim to not have noticed everyone has cloaks.

    And no, it wouldn't be huge. It would be a few different words, that most of the time will get skipped, to no effect at all in the mission flow.
    Then again, there's a problem with that; if Tom Paris hailing you constantly to pull you out of cloak, or being able to de-couple things so that your infiltration is actually...y'know, an infiltration that introduces 'roguelike' gameplay for two groups that aren't the "majority" and gives them a different strategy, which would require writing missions to compensate with something better than "hail constantly to pull the player out of cloak" and "what do we replace this mandatory encounter with if they can bypass it?"
    1. Everyone has cloaks, it has nothing to do with "two groups."
    2. They don't want anyone to bypass their plotted line. That's the point. You must do the mission the way it's meant to be done and anything that makes it go faster is a dirty exploit that needs to be "fixed."
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    patrickngo wrote: »
    In the case of the Iconians, violating the prime directive and interfering caused them to survive. By NOT interfering, they would ALL be dead, and trillions of people would still be alive-all Kagran had to do, was keep the mission in mind and let Sela off the leash for real, consequently no Hobus supernova, no Undine infiltrations, no Iconian war, etc.
    Temporal paradox. If iconians didn't attack us and nearly beat us, we wouldn't build the Annorax and time travel to ancient Iconia at all. That means some iconians must have survived and attacked us even before we interfered. On the other hand, it also means if we tried to kill them all we would fail, because if none survived we wouldn't build the Annorax and therefore wouldn't be there to kill them.

    The only possible stable time loop is one in which the iconians still attack us.

    And of course practically the entire game up to that point would never have happened without the iconians.
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,326 Community Moderator
    This thread has strayed way away from its intent, gotten stuck in a temporal loop arguing the same argument that seems to eventually take over every thread, and just bashing on the devs again. /Thread
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