Additional Changes in FC.31.20151210A.14

ladygadfly

This is the discussion thread for all additional changes in FC.31.20151210A.14. Please discuss the other changes on their appropriate threads:

Full Patchnotes
Teleios Ascendant Epic Lair Discussion
Teleios Ascendant Rewards Discussion
Collectors Lockbox Discussion
Aurum Heirloomn Gear Discussion
Device & Power Changes Discussion
Additional Changes Discussion

soulforger

No where in the pts patch notes did it state that recog will drop more often to warrent 1000 recogs for travel powers. Or even 100 for costume parts.
Also, apperently snakebucks and other recogs only stack to a max of 1000. You might want to change that.
I always thought that snakebucks were to much, but seriously? 250 to 750 per costume part?

toooldforthis

A general comment.

This is a massive patch, with balance, content and power changes. It will require substantial time invested by players to test and provide feedback.

I would suggest that we be given assurance that it will not be pushed out prior to that feedback being reviewed and implemented - say at least a couple weeks, perhaps more - as nothing frustrates the testing community more than finding that they're being both pushed to a deadline and subsequently finding all the time they spent was essentially wasted.

Thanks.

pantagruel01

You might want to increase the cap on recognition; you currently can't get more than 1,000 of any type.

xrazamax

-Along with the PVP perception mod, adding an Avoidance mod to the PVP vendor would be a nice addition.

-200 is a HUGE jump in pricing for Heroic Gear as well as other costume pieces. Even an increase to 100 would be substantial, please considered cutting the pricing down significantly.

chaelk

BUG/typo: Particle absorption core
causes you to be more resilient to particle type damage
+10% particle damage

same problem with Electricity and energy cores- should say damage resistance

ok having read the rest of the defensive mods. could you add in the word resistance, so it doesn't look like you're adding damage on a defensive mod because people will read those as extra damage and there is one with extra damage. They will then complain when they buy the wrong ones.

Love the changes​​

avianos

xrazamax wrote: »

-200 is a HUGE jump in pricing for Heroic Gear as well as other costume pieces. Even an increase to 100 would be substantial, please considered cutting the pricing down significantly.

200 SILVER REG FOR HEROICS? WTF IS THIS!? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? ​​

xrazamax

avianos said:

xrazamax wrote: »

-200 is a HUGE jump in pricing for Heroic Gear as well as other costume pieces. Even an increase to 100 would be substantial, please considered cutting the pricing down significantly.

200 SILVER REG FOR HEROICS? WTF IS THIS!? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? ​​

Well, the notes say there are going to be new ways of getting SCR so I don't think it is incredibly devastating, but it is quite a raise in prices for the gear. This is especially because there is new gear which takes both 200 SCR and 200 Gold CR so... I dunno. The prices just seem high (even moreso for the costume pieces which have also been bumped up to 200).

soulforger

Prices in the recog store are ludicrous unless the drop rate for recogs has increased.

rebelscum58

Please reconsider the changes to prices in the recognition store, particularly the SCR stuff. 200 instead of 35 AND nerfing how much we can get per day in the same patch is ridiculous.

Currently on live we get 2 or 5 SCR per mission with none for the main daily = 16 per day (There's always exactly two missions that give 5 SCR, with the rest giving 2) = A piece of Heroic gear every two days, with one SCR left over each time. Six days for a full set.
With the changes currently on test we get 1 per mission and 3 for the daily = 9 per day = a piece of Heroic gear every twenty-two days. Sixty-six days for a full set. Per character, in a game that despite the devs' best efforts to the contrary still encourages alts.

That's over two months running every day for three pieces of gear. That's even more ridiculous than the current much maligned setup of rampages, especially when you consider that Heroic gear isn't even that good compared to newer items. For a long time now it's been what people get at maximum level if they don't want to grind forever for the best stuff. Making it even more of a grind is just silly.

xrazamax

Not sure if this is the right thread, however, a buff to the strength of the the perception mods may be in order. Currently, to see through a rank 3 teleport travel power, you would need 150 Int and 2 rank 9 perception mods. You also still have no chance seeing through smoke grenade regardless of how much Int you stack with the mods.

shiningdarkness

Can we get rid of Acclaim altogether and instead use silver tokens as a pvp reward instead please? There's absolutely no need to separate PvP and PvE rewards-wise. And really, those Acclaim rewards are pretty useless.
May be stop purposefully hindering PvP playerbase already or you enjoy watching players who like PvP leave your game nonstop, reducing the $ income from your game like that?

crypticbuxom

So many things added that I feel should have been in the game since On Alert went live.

I have some serious complaints though about the prices on everything. Drifter Salvage, Questionite, and Silver Rec. Silver Rec costumes makes sense but considering Q and DS prices these are insane!

Please stop ignoring the fact that accounts have multiple characters in regards to these Bind on Equip prices!

Silver Rec prices go up but Silver Rec goes down for the main content to get it in? Why discourage players from playing UNITY?​​

chaelk

come on, the prices have been TOO LOW from the start. Recognition stuff- getting one character to 40 doing missions and you have most of the stuff.
6 x 40 mins to get 3 max level gear. way too easy. and that's only using UNITY 1.
People are going to have to actually leave Ren center and go farming. What a shock for them

SOLUTION: Make all recognition account bound.Stored in a second section of your inventory for account totals instead of personal totals.
Otherwise, it's just saying make one character and use that one.
The more alts you have , the more it's scattered all over but the more you will want to get.
The higher the prices, the less characters you will want to level because you will be farming on one main but with less characters. less reason to get more stuff.​​

kallethen

chaelk wrote: »

SOLUTION: Make all recognition account bound.Stored in a second section of your inventory for account totals instead of personal totals.

I very much agree with making recog account bound if the prices are to be this way.​​

almafeta

Thank you for the Snakebuck fix.

draogn

200 tokens for heroic gear? 1,000 tokens for costume pieces? This isn't a korean grinder, and raising those prices isn't going to encourage people to grind justice gear or buy keys. That's just going to drive the price for heroic gear and costume pieces up on the AH (For those who are willing to go through that pita grind).

If you're going to raise the cost of the Travel powers to 1,000 as well some of them need to be buffed. (Bat flight for instance)

toooldforthis

For Silvers who don't have access, or others who just don't have time, it seems grossly unfair that they haven't been allowed to see potential changes to items.

They deserve a chance to both discuss these changes as well as to be informed about them so they can decide what is worth purchasing as massive price changes have already hit the live auction house.

Thus, I'm posting this list after a couple hours of very tedious work, and I would respectfully but strongly suggest that it shouldn't have been left to a player to do so. I'll leave it to someone else to post the lockbox contents and frequency, which I suspect is close to the typical rare item in a box.

Silver Champions Recognition (SCR) Gear
All Heroic Gear 200 (was 35)
Purple Accessory Box 25

Rank 4 mods 1 (was 5), Rank 5 mods 5 (was 20) Rank 6 mods 25 (same)

Dr. Ka's Costumes 150 (was 20) - Nephilim and Empyrean appear gone

Deadman Walking, Draconis cape, Foxbat Belt, Foxbat cape, Medusa Tights, Mindslayer Bracers, Mindslayer Shoulders, Ripper Helmet, Valerian Scarlet Halo, Valerian Scarlet Tights, Valerian Scarlet Shoulder Pads, Sweetland Necklace, Sweetland Jacket, Black Talon Back - 1000 (new)

Trident of the Elemental Master, Beneficient Construct, Blood of Corrruption, Cerrebro-Stimulator, Charm of the Wind, Necrull's skull, Feline Metabolic Serum, Gadroon Force Tech, Invocation of the Eclipse - 1000 (new)

Tangleweb Mixture, Temporary Shapeshifter, Hypnotic Generator, Mini Manimal, Fear Chemicals - 2 (was 3)

Bleak One Minion Net, Lemurian Trident, Call up a dogz gang war, call up a new shadows gang war, call up a sovereign sons gang war, call up a trey kings gang war, lemurian idol, ancient empyrean device - 5 (was 3)

PRIMUS Gear

90s gear 200 (was 10)
Psi/Irradiates/Gadroon/Demon Costumes 100 (new)
Hair of the Dog, Necroctic Disruptor, Neutralizer Grenades, Qularr Adhesive Grenades, Genetically Modified Qularr Swarm 5 (new)
Scarab Flight, Inky Ooze Tunneling 1000 (was 30)
T2 cache 10 (was 20)
T2 offensive/defensive/utility cache 15 (new)
Green accessory box 5 (was 10)
Green offensive/defensive/utility box 10 (was 15)

MCPD Gear

T1 armaments cache 10 (was 15)
T1 offensive/defensive/utility cache 15 (was 22)
Green accessory box 5 (was 10)
Green offensive/defensive/utility cache 10 (was 15)

Red Banner Dragon Helmet, Purple Gang Tommy Gun, Maniacs Tank Top, Foxbat Fans Hands, Foxbat Fans Head, Foxbat Fans Chest, Foxbat fans pin, Black aces tights, Cobra lord chain belt - 100 (new)

Argent Concussion Grenades, Argent Neutralizing Taser, Acheronic Mace, Infernal Wand, Surge Accelerator, Destroid Surge Protector, Reprogrammed Destroid Gun Drone, Greater Demonic Pact, Lessor Demonic Pact, Call up a Black Aces Gang War, Call up a Cobra Lords Gang War, Call up a New Purple Ganga War, Psi Storm Crystal, Dragon's Breath, Magician's Dust - 5 (new)

Scarab Tunnelling, Ooze Tunnel 1000 (was 20)

QUESTIONITE STORE
Merc Gear - 50k Q (was 100k)
Vig Gear - 150k Q (same)
Samurai/Arma/Cyber - 11k Q (same)
Q travel powers 200-250k Q (same)
Cyberpunk Costumes - 45k Q (same)
Collar High 1 (ornate) Wide (arcane) Long skirt pattern arcane 3 Dragon Necklace Dragon Bracers Visor welder Large Army Heavy Tech Bulkhead Armor Hoses Gadgeteer Extreme Cybernetic Impants Heavy Cybernetic Implants Armored - 85k Q (same)
Demonflame and Serpent Lantern Armor 5-15 Q (not K, new)
Icy Armor - 150k (same)
Action figures 9, 10, 11, 12, 15 - 10K Q (9 and 15 available, others new)
Action figures 18, 19, 21, 23, 24, 27, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38 - 45k Q (new)
Action figures 58, 57, 94, 102 - 1-2.5k q (same)
Bleak Harbringer 15k q, Demonflame AFs 1-5k (new), Serpent Lantern AFs 1-5K (new)
Special Questionite Menagerie 200-250k Q (same)
Q Vehicle weapons - same

Necrulitic Elixir, Neuroelectric Pulse Generator - 400k Q (new)
Psionic Surge, Eruption - 250k Q (new)
Anti-Graviton Generator, Experimental Artificial Life Injection, Dr. D's head, Echo's Stick, Electric Storm, Energy Absorbing Crashsuit, Experimental Plasma Rifle, Gunslinger's Legacy, Mutagenic Infection, Plasmite, Poisoned Shuriken, Psionic Echoes, Reprogrammed Cowboy Robot, Primus Spark Shield, Terak Generator, Viper Brain Scrambler 100k Q (new)
Nighthawk Device Kit 4k
Acheronic Mace, Greater Demonic Pact, Viper Mobile Sonic Bomb 5k
Infernal Wand, Lesser Qliphotic Pact, Viper Fragmentation Grenades 10k


UNTIL Vendor
Serpent Lantern, Demonflame costumes (unchanged)
Viper Frag Grenades, Viper Serum, Viper Sonic Bomb, Acheronic Mace, Greater Demonic Pact, Lesser Qliphothic Pact (unchanged)
Serpent Lantern, Demonflame AFs (unchanged)


Strike Force Quartermaster (Gold Champions Recognition Gear, in UNTIL)
Distinguished Set (2 pieces +10 to offense, 3 pieces +42 def) - all gear requires 250 GCR and 250 SCR per piece
Distinguished Gloves of Offense (21 def, 111 off)
Distinguished Gloves of Healing (+5% crit chance, +21 def, +15% bonus healing)
Distinguished Armor of Freedom (+369 max health, +50% knock up, +50% knockback, +50% repel, +21 def, +38 CCR, +50% knockto)
Distinguished Armor of Agility (+76 dodge, +76 avoidance, +21 def)
Distinguished Helmet of Speed (+152 cooldown reduction, +101 cost discount, +21 def)
Distinguished Helmet of Efficency (+21 def, +152 cost discount, 5% chance of 65 energy to self)

Genetic Heirloom Gear (100 GCR, 50 SCR)
Secondary pieces provide a 9% xp bonus with 3 pieces
Genetic Heirloom Boots (7.1 def, 19 PSS, 8.5 SSS)
Genetic Heirloom Ring (4.7 def, 12 off, 19 PSS, 8.5 SSS)
Genetic Heriloom Goggles (14 def, 19 PSS, 8.5 SSS)
2 primary pieces provide energy when a foe is defeated, 3 provide health
Telios's Heirloom Chestwear (21 def, 49 PSS, 28 SSS)
Telios's Heirloom Gloves (14 def, 49 off, 49 PSS, 28 SSS)
Telios's Heirloom Helmet (14 def, 49 off, 28 SSS)

Tame Warbeast - calls a level 11 warbeast for 180 seconds, BOP - 200 GCR, 200 SCR
Teleios Lightning Rod - calls level 11 lightning rod for 20 seconds, 37 electric damage in 20' sphere, Ionic reverb, 10% chance for negative ions, 600 sec flight toggle (40 flight speed) - 200 GCR, 200 SCR

Level 1 Cores - 1 GCR/1 SCR each
Offense
Severity Core 1 (+3.1 Severity)
Defense
Knock and Repel Core 1 (10% knockup/back/to/repel)
Avoidance Core 1 (+92 avoidance)
Regeneration Core 1 (Applies regeneration 96 hp over 3 seconds)
Energy Shielding 1 (+5% all energy damage resist)
Electricity Deflection 1 (+10% all particle damage resist)
Utility
Teleios' Gadget 1 (+2% all Gadgeteering damage - similar to Right/Left Eye of the Ruby Dragon)

Via rank (available on the debugger)
Avoidance Core 2 (102) 3 (112) 4 (117) 5 (127) 6 (133) 7 (143) 8 (148) 9 (153)
Severity Core 2 (3.4) 3 (3.7) 4 (3.9) 5 (4.2) 6 (4.4) 7 (4.8) 8 (4.9) 9 (5.1)
Knock and Repel Core 2 (18) 3 (25) 4 (32) 5 (40) 6 (48) 7 (55) 8 (62) 9 (70)
Regeneration Core 2-9 (96 health over 3 seconds)
Electricity Deflection 2 (15) 3 (20) 4 (25) 5 (30) 6 (35) 7 (40) 8 (45) 9 (50)
Energy Shielding 2 (7.5) 3 (10) 4 (12) 5 (15) 6 (18) 7 (20) 8 (22) 9 (25)
Teleios' Gadget 2 (3) 3 (4) 4 (5) 5 (6) 6 (7) 7 (8) 8 (9) 9 (10)

Mods not available for sale
Perception Core 1 (utility) (.66% stealth sight/13% perception/7.8 minimap radius) 2 (1.3/26/16) 3 (2/39/23) 4 (2.7/52/31) 5 (3.3/65/39) 6 (4/78/47) 7 (4.7/92/55) 8 (5.4/106/64) 9 (6.1/120/72)
Particle Absorption 1 (def) (10% particle resist) 2 (15) 3 (20) 4 (25) 5 (30) 6 (35) 7 (40) 8 (45) 9 (50)

Neuroelectric Pulse Unlock - 250 GCR/250SCR

Teleios Armor (5 pieces) - 100 GCR/100 SCR

AF 132, 164-168 (purple) - 25 GCR, 50 SCR
AF 142-163, 169 (green) - 50 UNTIL/25 GCR

Drifter Salvage Store

Teleiosaurus Pheromones 250
Ice Grenades 250
Cupid's Arrow 150
Psionic Accelerator 150
Omicron Induced Strength 100
Draysha gas Pistol 100
Vesperine Cloak 50
Perpetrator Incapacitation Device 50
Alien Crystal 50
Asclepial Serum 50
TK force field inducer 50
Cloak of the infinite planes 50
Contained radiation 50
Demonic flesh graft 50
Elder worm humidity dome 50
Khusor's Doom 50
Nightmare Generator 50
Ragged Proletariat's Armband 50
Prototype Psi-Bomb 50
Shadow Pact 50
Thunderbolt Wand 50
Void Possession 50

Action figures 39-56 20

Psionic Flame Aura 25 drifter salvage

Gadgeteer backpack 100, other costumes appear the same

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Let me know if I've missed something. I'll try periodically to update this post as things change, but no guarantees.

rafahil893

I think it's much better to let us buy Distinguished gears with acclaim. Getting heroic gear with silver recognition tokens is much faster and easier than farming acclaim, so I don't know why HEROICs are there. Also it would give PVPers an option to grind for money, as we did back then.

chaelk

toooldforthis, you missed UNTIL recog, which I think is the one with the 2 empyrean costumes now.
UNTIL- has lemurian, demons, empyrean, bull skull and moose skull.
I can't recall seeing the nephilim though. Mind you, some got removed which duplicated veteran rewards.

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Distinguished gear is BOP same as Justice gear. so no, you're not farming it to sell.​​

kunkaneko

My input:
- 1000 Silver Rec (bind on Pickup) for costumes is absurd! WTF!!! Typo?!! I'm not doing that ever...
- 200 Silver Rec (bind on Pickup) for Heroics is absurd! WTF!!! Typo?!! I'm not doing that ever...
- UNITY SR drop-rate makes doing its missions even less appealing now...
- You might as well consider changing the game's name to Grinders Online...
- I liked that Vikorin dropped the old mod cores, spiced things up a little, a pity...

aiqa

xrazamax said:

-200 is a HUGE jump in pricing for Heroic Gear as well as other costume pieces. Even an increase to 100 would be substantial, please considered cutting the pricing down significantly.

Agreed, farming for top end gear is fine, but lower gear tiers should be much faster.

magpieuk2014

Servitor Serum has been removed from the Consumables area of the Silver Champions Vendor. Put it back, please, as it's one of the few ways to make rampages palatable for ATs or characters without a self-rez. You don't want to give people more reasons not to play those missions.

Increasing the the cost of Heroic Gear x5 is ludicrous unless you're making SCR drop like confetti. The answer to "What Do I Do At Level 40" is not "grind madly for gear of moderate utility".

dakrushmor

Maybe Teleios Gadget should buff all Technology damage similar to Red Eye buffs all Martial Arts power.

Electricity is kinda self-sufficient set, you can make DPS 100% of it, but gadgeteering has probably Pulse Beam Rifle only viable DPS power (also strafing run, but it's kinda nerfed).

avianos

- Silver Champions Recognition token drops have been reduced from Unity missions. Unity Missions should give 1 and the main daily should give 3.

So UNITY 1 and 2 are gonna be downgraded... freaking perfect, so WHAT IS the point of doing UNITY 1 AND 2 now? Waste Time?
Downgrading old game's concept for the sake of new one​​

chaelk

kunkaneko wrote: »

My input:
- 1000 Silver Rec (bind on Pickup) for costumes is absurd! WTF!!! Typo?!! I'm not doing that ever...
- 200 Silver Rec (bind on Pickup) for Heroics is absurd! WTF!!! Typo?!! I'm not doing that ever...
- UNITY SR drop-rate makes doing its missions even less appealing now...
- You might as well consider changing the game's name to Grinders Online...
- I liked that Vikorin dropped the old mod cores, spiced things up a little, a pity...

the old core mods, despite the writing on them, were not fuseable. The new ones supposedly are and go up to rank 9.​​

bazodee

Quick comments and observations...

Silver Champion Recognition Store

• Great! The addition of On Alert costume pieces, Not so great: 1000SCR a piece! With the on alert items being moved to the store, does this mean these items are now exclusive to the stores? For example, we will no longer have the change to get Valerian Epic Halo while doing alerts.
  
• Some Drifter Legacy devices; Nice that they are still available I'll give that one. Not so great 1000SCR a piece!
  
• No Open World Costumes available for SCR. I'm guessing the Nephilim ones should have gone here, but they are missing from all store upgrades.
  
• Until Quartermaster's Store items require a combination of recognition, in most cases both GCR/SCR; combinations of 250/250, 200/200, 100/100, 25/50 and 1/1 - acknowledges that these prices are not final and still subject to changes.
  
• Secondary purple gear - I hope this does not lead to a decrease in drop rate in open word.
  

Q Store

• Why not add the viper collar to the Costumes since we are including open world costumes here.
  
• Action Figures: Cool looking Afro man with shades I saw a couple of times in game, was told it came from Until Mission drops, can we find him and put him in there as well? Many thanks!
  

Shock reaction news

• WHAT!! Heroic gear is 200SCR a pop? Waaay too expensive. As an altaholic who can't afford to chase legion/justice gear for each character, heroic was the go-to option. This seems no where near possible now at that price.
  

Observations:
There appears to be quite a number of items competing for SCR. I believe this will cripple game play. Already we saw that with the Christmas event people suffered from "grind" exhaustion to collect charms and components.

If the expectation is that by increasing the price, it will encourage more gameplay grind, this may lead to the opposite effect and gamers may not even want to try for items.
I hope it will be raining SCR all over open world to counteract the prices.

• 
  
• Awesome work with the Drifter Legacy items, you can go right for what you need.
  
• Great stuff with the cooldowns!
  
• Cool rewards in the GCR store!
  
• SCR reliance is way too heavy and the prices too high!
  
• Up the cap on Recog and make it account bound as mentioned earlier
  

Now to try out some of that new stuff!

Update: Could not find recog currency to buy and test new stuff. Can you add recog currency packs to the deugger store? Ans: Sits under "bug-fix and retest" option for anyone looking.... duh!

draogn

The Winter event grind was put in just after we had done the Nighthawk and Blood moon grinds, which came after they gave us the Onslaught grind.

The grind exhaustion is only going to get worse if these prices remain the same.

wingedkagouti

Yay:

• New version of an oft skipped Lair. More of this.
  
• Removing some of the randomness of acquiring legacy stuff.
  
• More things to buy for Questionite. This was sorely needed.
  

Nay:

• New currency. We already have 5 billion different currencies for various things. NO MORE CURRENCIES.
  
• New prices of Heroic gear + Lowered daily rewards from UNITY. One of the draws of CO for me is the fact that you can get good endgame gear without having to pay a lot of real cash or grinding for several months. Heroics are not good enough to be a ~1 month grind per piece (8 per daily set, 200 per piece = 25 days). Especially when you also need SCR to get the Distinguished stuff.
  
• Strike Force shop relies on both SCR and GCR. If you absolutely have to introduce a new currency, don't make the items you can buy with it also require an old currency. Especially when you massively increase the cost of the items you could buy with that currency.
  

I do not mind that there's something worthwhile to grind for that doesn't appear to take up massive amounts of luck. I do mind that old stuff that didn't have a massive grind is going to get gated behind a massive grind.

xrazamax

magpieuk2014 said:

Servitor Serum has been removed from the Consumables area of the Silver Champions Vendor. Put it back, please, as it's one of the few ways to make rampages palatable for ATs or characters without a self-rez. You don't want to give people more reasons not to play those missions.

Whoa, is it available anywhere else? This is really not a good thing as it was one of the only ways to revive and one of the only reasons for fully geared people to get SCR. Please put it back!

dakrushmor

l'm excited about new update, but fact that drift gambling gonna be stripped from CO is kinda sad. It's one of funniest things in game ATM lMO. That device kit for 40 DS, which has chance to drop 2 random devices, that either might be great or might be meh. But in average they made reasonable prices for legacy devices. Now they becoming harder to obtain. So b4 update 1000 G is average price for lizards, now they 250 DS, which's equivalent to 2500 G. Necru's even worse since 400K Q is equivalent to 1200 Z. So literally to setup necru defense you hafta spend same moolah as on FF Slot itself (discount price). Note, that Medic Drone MK3 costs 300K Q, and you need purchase it only once per account to put on flagmann vehicle, then run rampage on it w different toons, but devices're bound, therefore plz put 2-3 necrus on each of them, that seems to be huge ripoff & strongly smells pay-to-win. Necru 1000 G -> 3500 G, Dinos 1000 G -> 2500 G, NEPG 500 G -> 3500 G, IG 500G -> 2500 G that's are probably as huge price increase as heroics.

zamuelpwe

@toooldforthis
Some of your chart is wrong in that some of the things like Tangleweb Mixture that are listed as New are actually in the Live stores right this very moment.

draogn

If you insist on Bat flight costing 1000 tokens, it's going to need a redo. It is the second worst travel power in the game. (First being the waste of zen Ninja vanish)

xcaligax

bazodee said:

Shock reaction news

• WHAT!! Heroic gear is 200SCR a pop? Waaay too expensive. As an altaholic who can't afford to chase legion/justice gear for each character, heroic was the go-to option. This seems no where near possible now at that price.
  

I think it's reasonable, considering you can simply buy heroic gear from the auction house. You can buy Legion as well.

xrazamax

The reason the prices for Heroic are affordable to a lot of people (about 100Gs) is because it only cost 35 SCR. Once it cost 200 SCR, you will not be seeing much of it, and Legion will by extension be more rare as people think, "If I'm spending 400-500Gs on Heroic gear, might as well get legion".

bazodee

xrazamax said:

The reason the prices for Heroic are affordable to a lot of people (about 100Gs) is because it only cost 35 SCR. Once it cost 200 SCR, you will not be seeing much of it, and Legion will by extension be more rare as people think, "If I'm spending 400-500Gs on Heroic gear, might as well get legion".

This^

Currently you can get Legion on AH anywhere between 200G-800G depending on the piece you need. If checked often enough you can get a good deal.

I'd like to assume since not much has changed for lockboxes, then prices won't change much. But as pointed out above, the price of Legion will simply increase as a result of the hike in Heroic.

Also, obtaining Gs during gameplay has decreased. Since the hourly events have turned to weekly events I've only seen 1 resource week. The resource hours with resource boosts combo was great for accumulating Gs.

crypticbuxom

I slept on it and still think that device prices in the Drifter and Q store are wildly inconsistent. Don't make them cost up to 250 DS and 400k Q respectfully. Make all devices the same price at 40-50 DS and 50k Q each.​

Lower prices means more sales which means more profit overall. Make it something all players can afford.

I'm actually perfectly fine with the Recog price changes since concerning Onslaught vendor system and rate of token gain turned out to be pretty fair! Well except for the devices which seems extortion. Again think about players with multiple characters. Your biggest sales points should be buying multiple characters, not charging the price of full games for a single device for ONE character.​​

xrazamax

The saving grace of all this depends on what the future ways of obtaining more SCR are. If we are going to be getting a lot more SCR than just dailies and unity missions, then I am fine with it. Otherwise, the prices are not just kinda high, they are exorbitant.

toooldforthis

chaelk said:

toooldforthis, you missed UNTIL recog, which I think is the one with the 2 empyrean costumes now.

Didn't include UNTIL originally since there were no changes to any items or prices in it. Added for sake of completion.

zamuelpwe said:

Some of your chart is wrong in that some of the things like Tangleweb Mixture that are listed as New are actually in the Live stores right this very moment.

Corrected current/former pricing. FYI, it's a lot more helpful to provide an actual list of omissions or errors than say 'it's wrong', since the latter generally leads to people not spending 3 hours putting together a list in the first place.

zamuelpwe

toooldforthis said:

Corrected current/former pricing. FYI, it's a lot more helpful to provide an actual list of omissions or errors than say 'it's wrong', since the latter generally leads to people not spending 3 hours putting together a list in the first place.

Fair criticism and my apologies on that. I couldn't get into the game right then but I knew I had seen some of those already.

iamrune

I have to leave my own feedback regarding the price changes to Heroic gear and the changes to Silver Champions Recogition generation.

As someone pointed out up-thread, previously we earned 16 + small bonus SCR per day in Unity dailies, and the cost of a Heroic gear item was 35, so 105 per set and six days of unity dailies with the daily special mission completed for a full set. This was a great way to set up a newly 40 character in passable primaries, so long as you also had gathered the mods you needed for your gear as well [or had them stockpiled like most of us vets].

I can't help but feel as if two different people who weren't aware of one anothers' changes worked on the SCR alterations.

Someone increased the price of each SCR gear item to 200 from 35 [which is already in itself a ludicrous increase of SIX TIMES the previous cost [well, x 5.714 to be exact].

Someone also decreased the amount of SCR we can earn in unity by half. Instead of 16+ 2-3, it's now 5 + 3 for a total of 8 per day.

And while I think the second change isn't such a big deal, especially if other new sources of SCR come raining down in copious amounts, the first one is a game changer. And not in a good way.

If both are indeed intended and go on to live, it will take 25 days of full unity plus special, all six missions run to completion, to exactly afford a single piece of heroic gear, and 75 days for a full set for a newly level forty character.


That's a change of from six days to seventy-five days to get a new level 40 character into his starter set of heroic primaries.

Was it really intended that the time to get into starter primary gear go up by multiplying the time and effort required by over twelve times?



Please let this be some kind of miscommunication error, because... well, it's just terrible, let's leave it at that.

I'm a seven year veteran, and I've been here since September of 2008 in the friends and family Alpha test. If the grind had been this tough in the past, I don't think I'd have remained all this time.

[EDIT] for minor math error *blush*

royalflvsh

magpieuk2014 said:

Servitor Serum has been removed from the Consumables area of the Silver Champions Vendor. Put it back, please, as it's one of the few ways to make rampages palatable for ATs or characters without a self-rez. You don't want to give people more reasons not to play those missions.

Increasing the the cost of Heroic Gear x5 is ludicrous unless you're making SCR drop like confetti. The answer to "What Do I Do At Level 40" is not "grind madly for gear of moderate utility".

This!!! I've been lauding the virtues of packing along Servitor Serum to the skies for all my fellow Rampagers for months. It's a must-have! Please put it back in for the very reasonable price of 3 SCR.

And while you're at it, how about removing the RNG from the Rampage Token equation altogether? No one likes it, with the possible exception of one PWI executive. And maybe his mom. Let us instead grind reliably towards a reliable, quantifiable investment.

Thanks!

pantagruel01

The rate of SCR gain in the game has gone up recently because they added SCR drops to the cosmics and the level 40 lair bosses, but I don't see the reason for reducing the gain from UNITY.

magpieuk2014

The rate of potential gain might have gone up, but that doesn't mean everyone is prepared to run a full set of UNITY missions + lvl 40 lairs (which are far more difficult and time consuming) every day for a month to get a set of Heroic Gear. That's not much fun - and it's the fun part of the game which keeps people coming back. They'll just go for Mercenary Gear, which is available for peanuts from the Auction House, and which has just been made cheaper in the Q store. Sometimes efforts to force people to play more result in them playing less.

zamuelpwe

As far as the change to SCR costs for Heroic gear, I can understand price changes but both raising the price and lowering earnings shouldn't have happened at the same time. I feel that the more problematic of the two is changing UNITY missions since it feels like the missions are being misunderstood. Not all UNITY missions are created equal and it would make more sense to adjust each accordingly instead of nerfing them across the board. There are a few missions that may be worth too much at the moment but that's countered by a few that are worth too few SCR. This change also seems to ignore that some missions are hard to get to (Lemuria caves, Whisper herself for starting UNITY 2) nor does it seem to take into account some of the bugs that can permanently lock a character out of UNITY 2 and/or glitch the UNITY variants of those missions. I suggest resetting the mission SCR rewards to back what they were and then taking a finer look at just what each requires for completion and then adjust rewards accordingly. Then some bug fixing if not outright mission restructuring is needed for part of the UNITY 2 missions, even if it's simply making them repeatable dailies so they can be dropped and reacquired if they glitch.

xrazamax

gradii said:

xrazamax said:

The saving grace of all this depends on what the future ways of obtaining more SCR are. If we are going to be getting a lot more SCR than just dailies and unity missions, then I am fine with it. Otherwise, the prices are not just kinda high, they are exorbitant.

Not to mention us only being able to carry 1k of any recognition- a cap I've never once reached in 5 years of playing CO.

I have it on good authority there are no plans to increase the cap, and while people might think it needs raising, it really doesn't matter. Nobody is going to be stocking up 1k SCR or GCR with prices being really high and the rate of gaining the tokens not going to accidentally take you over the cap.

magpieuk2014 said:

The rate of potential gain might have gone up, but that doesn't mean everyone is prepared to run a full set of UNITY missions + lvl 40 lairs (which are far more difficult and time consuming) every day for a month to get a set of Heroic Gear. That's not much fun - and it's the fun part of the game which keeps people coming back. They'll just go for Mercenary Gear, which is available for peanuts from the Auction House, and which has just been made cheaper in the Q store. Sometimes efforts to force people to play more result in them playing less.

The unintended positive is this makes mercenary gear relevant as it will be seen as accessible end game gear.

sterga

These changes just make me think I'm way too poor to be making videos for this game. Some of you guys that can afford to buy boat loads of keys to sell on the AH every week can step up and do some videos. All this grinding to do stuff for videos on top of paying for a weekly CC and picking up fun stuff for my toon is just making me not want to play the game at all.