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We need open faction teaming for STF missions!

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I know it's been said many, many, many, many, many times before; however, it seems that no one at Cryptic is listening.

Open faction teaming is the best thing that could happen for STF missions.

I can't think of anyone in this MMO who believes that open faction teaming for STFs would be a bad idea.

Borg + Undine = Bad for both factions so why face them alone.

Klingon / Federation war aside; it makes no sense for both factions to not view the Borg or Undine has a greater threat to all.

Open faction teaming needs to happen and soon :(
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I could not agree more. While all my Starfleet and KDF characters have long since had their Borg sets, I can remember how much of a pain in the TRIBBLE it was getting my KDF through. While cross faction teaming would currently benefit the KDF more...they more than deserve it.

    Many have further argued for cross faction teaming for all mutual threats {like the weeklies}...and I would not mind this either...but certainly for encounters where grouping is forced, like the STFs, It would be nice...and certainly add flavor.

    Perhaps the Devs can code Gamma Sector such that once any faction is there then teaming would be enabled...but not a generic send an invite to a friend on the other side of the galaxy {like we use to be able to until it was abused and ruined for all}.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I can't see any reason to fault the logic of this idea. In fact, if I ever get my KDF past captain I'm sure i'd benefit from it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Indeed, even when the Borg Sets were new, it was very tough finding a KDF team, and these days its almost next to impossible. Unless you found an active Klingon Fleet that does STFs regularly.

    So yes, they should be coded to allow KDF and Starfleet to Crossteam.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I would support this. Couple days ago I went to an undine fleet action and there was no one there except me. At that point I would have been all to happy to team up with klingons, orions, gorn, nausicans or whoever else showed up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I Will say this like i have said many many many many many many many many many times before

    Gozer said in order to allow federation and klingon players to play toghther it requires a change at the core level and is not something easily done and would take alot of time and effort on the devs side to impliment so please can we lock this thread and one of the devs make a sticky so we can put these topics to bed once and for all
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I still haven't done any of the STFs due to not finding a team to go into it with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well at least the borg missions and the Undine ......
    Also Romulan space should be open to klingons and Cardesia also should be open ...
    And the Ambasedor missions should open up for klingon Faction as well

    And I think the ting why romulans want to have borg parts . Klingons should fight that to because also it would be a great danger to the empire.

    So Yes Some should open for both factions .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'm waiting for the day when this happens. I think devs have commented on it before... something about them needing new tech to do cross faction teams. Haven't heard anything on it in a long time. I hope this is still on their radar.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Agreed, open-faction teaming for STFs would be a very good idea, would fit nicely with the "common enemy"- theme and would be a welcome encouragement to more teamplay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    deeboboy wrote: »
    I Will say this like i have said many many many many many many many many many times before

    Gozer said in order to allow federation and klingon players to play toghther it requires a change at the core level and is not something easily done and would take alot of time and effort on the devs side to impliment so please can we lock this thread and one of the devs make a sticky so we can put these topics to bed once and for all

    This is true, however just because they've said it requires a lot of core changes doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed. Doing so would make the whole community a lot happier.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Considering Battlegroup Omega... and that in the series itself (The Cure) we side with the Klingons against this common threat, I really don't see why something along the lines of this couldn't be done story-wise. As far as the game mechanics go, I seem to remember a certain bug both in PvP Arena and Resource battle maps that placed you in a neutral state or on the enemy faction respectively. Also, whenever a new exploit is found to make your way into the main station of the enemy, they still show as allied to the enemy players (not most of the NPCs).

    While actually being in a team has never been possible even during all of these bugs, it is these bugs that show us it is easily possible to be at least on the same side as far as the mechanics go. I remember being bugged in resource battles and fighting people from my own faction and unable to fight Klingons. I honestly can't imagine that it would take too terribly much work to allow different factions to team in specific instances, but I don't know what all is involved.

    Either way, this is one more person who would greatly enjoy it. Not only as something different, or supporting the story, but something that would make the Klingon faction much more appealing to play.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Please do this. It's a great idea.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    deeboboy wrote: »
    I Will say this like i have said many many many many many many many many many times before

    Gozer said in order to allow federation and klingon players to play toghther it requires a change at the core level and is not something easily done and would take alot of time and effort on the devs side to impliment so please can we lock this thread and one of the devs make a sticky so we can put these topics to bed once and for all

    I'm going to quote this.

    I'm no saying lock the thread though. I'm saying that it will be and has been stated that there is a lot of coding involved. It's something that would take a lot of valuable resources and if a mistake is made, the unraveling of other things. One mistake could restir a whole lot of bugs.

    Is this something you guys want?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    100% agreed

    we are allready fighting together in gamma orionis deep space encounters.

    also, as someone else mentioned here before, it would be great to see cross faction fleet actions :D

    make it so
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ezhno wrote: »
    Considering Battlegroup Omega... and that in the series itself (The Cure) we side with the Klingons against this common threat, I really don't see why something along the lines of this couldn't be done story-wise. As far as the game mechanics go, I seem to remember a certain bug both in PvP Arena and Resource battle maps that placed you in a neutral state or on the enemy faction respectively. Also, whenever a new exploit is found to make your way into the main station of the enemy, they still show as allied to the enemy players (not most of the NPCs).

    While actually being in a team has never been possible even during all of these bugs, it is these bugs that show us it is easily possible to be at least on the same side as far as the mechanics go. I remember being bugged in resource battles and fighting people from my own faction and unable to fight Klingons. I honestly can't imagine that it would take too terribly much work to allow different factions to team in specific instances, but I don't know what all is involved.

    Either way, this is one more person who would greatly enjoy it. Not only as something different, or supporting the story, but something that would make the Klingon faction much more appealing to play.

    A very good point!

    I forgot all about thoese teaming bugs in pvp as a Klingon I found myself on Fed teams many times in some PVP matches and vice versa.

    If a small bug can make cross faction teaming possible; I imagine Cryptic could do it has well ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    cross faction for stfs would be great. I would play my klink way more rather than hovering in sector waiting for hours and hours to hopefully get a team together.

    if some tech is required to get this to work then all ahead full cryptic programmers!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    STO totally needs this :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I think a matching system similar to PvP would be good for these missions. You spend almost 25-40% of your time just finding a team and then hope someone doesn't drop along the way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Just to be clear, open faction teaming really just suits the 12% (is it?) of Klingon players and throws any semblance of 'war' out the window for good for the rest of us.

    Still I hate that those 12% can't have a decent STF experience. I just don't want to sacrifice my storyline even further because of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nynik wrote:
    Just to be clear, open faction teaming really just suits the 12% (is it?) of Klingon players and throws any semblance of 'war' out the window for good for the rest of us.

    Still I hate that those 12% can't have a decent STF experience. I just don't want to sacrifice my storyline even further because of it.

    Yes but the opportune words here are (your storyline) not the rest of ours :rolleyes:

    The Klingon / Federation war can and will continue even if we were to team together to face the Borg and Undine.

    Just out of curiosity how does (your storyline) spin the Cure or Infected?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nynik wrote:
    Just to be clear, open faction teaming really just suits the 12% (is it?) of Klingon players and throws any semblance of 'war' out the window for good for the rest of us.

    Still I hate that those 12% can't have a decent STF experience. I just don't want to sacrifice my storyline even further because of it.

    First of all, thats a random number with absolutely no meaning. Secondly, YOUR storyline is that you side with the Klingons against the Borg. See: Battlegroup Omega, The Cure, Deep Space Encounters in Gamma Orionis, etc

    To say nothing of Pelia and the fleet action there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i think the reason we cannot is due to ingame mechanics brought over from using an old game engine for a new game. like how kdf to feds look redish orange like enemy npcs and how kdf to kdf look redish orange like enemy npc's :cool:

    the game npcs themselves like the boss guy in the admirals office who obviously is the admiral cannot tell which faction you belong too as i have tested this 1st hand when my nausicaan was stuck on the fed side for nearly 2 weeks, you might remember me doin air guitar on the table near where you used to beam in.

    sorry im ramblin on there :p but ye its gonna be something burried in the mechanics that is put in to stop the kdf going into fed space and feds going into the one zone they dont have acceess to which ots omega sector. maybe its that that is stopping us grouping as to implement cross faction grouping would also break the boundry system.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i think the reason we cannot is due to ingame mechanics brought over from using an old game engine for a new game. like how kdf to feds look redish orange like enemy npcs and how kdf to kdf look redish orange like enemy npc's

    I think you have probably nailed the problem on the head, atm, there is no system for cross campaign ground combat and that would take awhile to implement. It's not so hard for space as we have the mechanics of DSE's already and KDF and Fed's work together there. But it's the perpetual question in gamma, and we probably wont see any changes in the cross faction missioning till at least season 4. I would assume with the upcoming Iconian content, if it is a persistent modification to the game, and supposedly the real big Bad of the game that cross campaign stuff would come into effect. But not atm.
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