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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
You know.....I really try not too complain about STO or Cryptic. But I feel in this case it is warranted.

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but nowhere, prior to the launch of the MVAM prometheus, did Cryptic state that it would be available for VA characters only.

I had really been hoping to use it to level on my RA character, and as such, before today I had been concentrating on my klingon character.

But then the ship and it's console gets released, and despite my anticipation, I find out I have to grind out another 8000 experience.

I know this can be done easily. That's not my complaint. My complaint is the fact that Cryptic NEVER SAID that the ship would be a retrofit and be VA only.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just being irrational about it, but I don't think so.

Some better communication would be helpful next time.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I was under the exact same impression. I would like to know how exactly i have been mislead.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fairly certain it was mentioned in this thread. Do not quote me on it though as I am not 100% sure.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yes, they did state it would be for vice admirals only... Before it even showed up on Tribble, in fact, when everybody thought it was going to be a tactical console.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i thought it was fairly obvious. they said it would be available for 500 emblems. you can only get emblems at max rank. therefore it had to be a VA ship only.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    So is it a full "new" ship or just a console i can add to my existing advanced assault ship?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    considering it is a level 51 ship what did you expect?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Noxsa wrote:
    So is it a full "new" ship or just a console i can add to my existing advanced assault ship?

    As far as i can tell you maybe able to add it to the old ship, but at the same time it comes with a Refit ship by it self (different BO lay out)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    yes it has its own ship and the console can be place on your old advanced escort. there is plenty to read about it on the tribble forums.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i thought it was fairly obvious. they said it would be available for 500 emblems. you can only get emblems at max rank. therefore it had to be a VA ship only.

    just because it was obvious to you does not mean its going to be obvious to everyone.

    they did state in a fairly obvious manner that the MVAM would be able to be used on existing advanced escorts, which are RA ships.

    you assumed it was obvious because of the 500 emblems.

    i assumed it would be RA because theyre making it available for RA ships and did not state that it would be VA only.

    when someone releases information about something, regardless of what it is, and that information is incomplete, people are going to assume things. that is a fact of life
    Fairly certain it was mentioned in this thread. Do not quote me on it though as I am not 100% sure.

    they said it on one part of the forums. i do not have the time nor the inclination to read every post in ever section of the forums. nobody does

    all im asking is for better, more upfront communication regarding subjects such as the launch of the MVAM. the same is going to be true when they launch the ambassador class starship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    i do not have the time nor the inclination to read every post in ever section of the forums.

    Not really Cryptic's problem then, is it? You seemed to have found the time to read where it may have been available for RA level ships, but could not be bothered to read where it was changed to be a VA ship/device only?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Not really Cryptic's problem then, is it? You seemed to have found the time to read where it may have been available for RA level ships, but could not be bothered to read where it was changed to be a VA ship/device only?

    i suppose you do have time to read every post on the forums?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    That's not the only place they said it. The dev tracker is there for a reason. Set your bookmark to that instead of the forum and control+F and search for whatever the interesting bit you're currently following is - MVAM, Foundry, dailies, crafting, shuttles, etc - before reading the forum. Boom, instantly elevated to the cutting edge "in the knew." 98% of what devs say will show up right there. The other 2% is twitter (I've never seen anything seriously pertinent from there though) and people like STOked saying, "We *just* got off the phone with a guy and..."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    i suppose you do have time to read every post on the forums?

    Of course not. However, if there is a subject I am interested in - such as MVAM - I am intelligent enough to use the "Subscribe" feature that allows me to follow a specific thread(s ).

    Not rocket science my friend. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Me too! Just reached RA with my alt and thought great, ill pay the money.. except i don't qualify :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Of course not. However, if there is a subject I am interested in - such as MVAM - I am intelligent enough to use the "Subscribe" feature that allows me to follow a specific thread(s ).

    Not rocket science my friend. ;)

    im not saying it is. i already spend a couple hours out of every day just keeping up with one forum, let alone getting messages for every time somebody makes a reply in severeal different forums

    what im saying, is that an official anouncement with all pertinent information that a developer can type up in five minutes be put in a place where everyone can easily find it, rather than wading through the forums for hours on end

    when melee weaponry and open jackets went into the cstore, there was an anouncement on the home page. is there one for the prometheus? no

    considering the public excitement behind the MVAM, it would not have killed one developer to spend 5 or even 15 minutes making that announcement
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    when melee weaponry and open jackets went into the cstore, there was an anouncement on the home page. is there one for the prometheus? not yet

    Fixed for you. :)
    considering the public excitement behind the MVAM, it would not have killed one developer to spend 5 or even 15 minutes making that announcement

    Several Devs posted on numerous occasions in the thread I linked to, so they did post the pertinent information ahead of time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fixed for you. :)



    Several Devs posted on numerous occasions in the thread I linked to, so they did post the pertinent information ahead of time.

    yes, still in only ONE thread
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    make TRIBBLE *a typo but still i am amazed i could type it* it2 threads

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=205261

    General:
    • The Prometheus is now available as a complete Vice Admiral ship with the console preinstalled
      • It's still removable
    • Audio has been added for the separation and reintegration sequence of the prometheus
    • The warp animation for the prometheus has been fixed

    Foundry:
    • Star rating calculations for missions now work properly.

    Note:
    Several more significant changes are coming tomorrow for the Prometheus
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    yes, still in only ONE thread

    WHat would you like the devs to take there time and pm you personaly and be like well here is what were relaseing and this is whats needed to get it. Umm that seem like a bigger waste of time so how about you look at the dev tracker and go though and i quote the thread title "The Offical MVAM Feedback Thread" which the devs have spent over the last week, upfdating it with all relvant infomation
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    For some of you who do not know how to use the forums. you can serach for this information using the search feature in advance mode. This is not an insult just a common clause that some forget about. It will allow you to find developer threads and comments on certain topics.

    Any how all of you who are around from pre launch should know that cryptic and its many persons has a PR problem. They are to high in the clouds of programing to understand information must be dispersed correctly.

    To many cheifs and not enough indians. This statement is true as Dstahl maybe the E.P. but the buck does not stop at him when it comes to the game mechanics and attributes. Hes cool but it sucks that he really cant control the other departments of the game.

    How to fix this problem with cryptic. You all can flood storms email box with the same message. This message should be to the affect that paying customers should be given proper information before a new product is introduced to them.

    This is the third product in the game where information is not presented on their website. Its been a year and they still have a broken half working site.

    I suggest making it clear during the down town of doing nothing in STO to fix the site so it is functional to its players. If the site and info is not corrected then we will stop playing the game. I want to be able to do research on a item before i have to buy it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    UFP-Magnis wrote: »
    This message should be to the affect that paying customers should be given proper information before a new product is introduced to them.

    Per the C-Store page:
    Federation Multi-Vector Advanced Escort(1200 Atari Tokens)
    Designed for the U.S.S. Prometheus in the 2370s, multi-vector assault mode was removed from later vessels to give the Starfleet Corps of Engineers more time to perfect the technology. Now the Federation Multi-Vector Advanced Escort is the ultimate tactical vessel! The Multi-Vector Advanced Escort has seven weapons slots (4 fore, 3 aft), seats for five bridge officers (1 Ensign Tactical; 1 Lieutenant Tactical; 1 … read moreCommander Tactical; 1 Lieutenant Engineering; 1 Lieutenant Commander Science) and space for nine console modifications (2 Engineering, 3 Science, 4 Tactical). It carries a crew of 150 and has a Multi-Vector Assault Module that can be slotted into any console modification slot, granting the ship three new abilities. Each of the abilities of a Multi Vector Assault Module activates Multi-Vector Assault Mode, which splits the ship into three sections and allows you to command one of those sections in battle. Each section has different capabilities. The Multi-Vector Assault Module may be removed from the ship's console modifications, but it cannot be slotted on any ships but a Multi-Vector Advanced Escort or an Advanced Escort. Note: Purchase of the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort unlocks this ship for all Federation characters of Vice Admiral rank on an account. The Multi-Vector Advanced Escort also is available in-game per character via Emblems.

    What else were you looking for?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    UFP-Magnis wrote: »
    I want to be able to do research on a item before i have to buy it.

    The only important part of your post imo.

    what is stopping you from doing the research? or is it what is upsetting the fact that you cant buy said item the second it comes out?

    The info is there. The research can be done.

    to op.

    Why exactly did you presume that the ship/ console would be available at ra? Where did they give any indication that the ship was for ra? If they did then it must have been deep in some thread in tribble area. If you are down there how did you miss the VA "indications"?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    WHat would you like the devs to take there time and pm you personaly and be like well here is what were relaseing and this is whats needed to get it. Umm that seem like a bigger waste of time so how about you look at the dev tracker and go though and i quote the thread title "The Offical MVAM Feedback Thread" which the devs have spent over the last week, upfdating it with all relvant infomation

    *bites tounge*

    if you had listened to what i have said in this thread, you would know that not the case

    what i want is for cryptic to post the information in a place where people dont have to wade through the forums to find the information they have a right too.

    that is what we pay cryptic for
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    *bites tounge*

    if you had listened to what i have said in this thread, you would know that not the case

    what i want is for cryptic to post the information in a place where people dont have to wade through the forums to find the information they have a right too.

    that is what we pay cryptic for

    Did you miss shard-warriors post?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    what i want is for cryptic to post the information in a place where people dont have to wade through the forums to find the information they have a right too.

    They did. All the relevant informaiton is on the C-Store page. You do not have to wade through any forum posts at all to find it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    bigduckie wrote:
    Why exactly did you presume that the ship/ console would be available at ra? Where did they give any indication that the ship was for ra? If they did then it must have been deep in some thread in tribble area. If you are down there how did you miss the VA "indications"?

    and to you as well, if you had read what ive posted so far, you would have seen that i said that you can take the cosole and put it in the existing advanced escort, which is a rear admiral ship

    thats what i ASSUMED

    the people who figured it would be a VA ship, ASSUMED it would be a VA ship
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    *bites tounge*

    if you had listened to what i have said in this thread, you would know that not the case

    what i want is for cryptic to post the information in a place where people dont have to wade through the forums to find the information they have a right too.

    that is what we pay cryptic for

    And you yourself are nto getting no matter how many time people have said it so lets try this


    CRYPTIC HAS POSTED THE INFOMATION WERE IT IS EASY TO READ AND FIND

    they been posted all infomation in 1 spot for over a week its called 'The Offical MVAM Feedback Thread"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    and to you as well, if you had read what ive posted so far, you would have seen that i said that you can take the cosole and put it in the existing advanced escort, which is a rear admiral ship

    thats what i ASSUMED

    the people who figured it would be a VA ship, ASSUMED it would be a VA ship

    actually no wee knew ala
    General:
    • The Prometheus is now available as a complete Vice Admiral ship with the console preinstalled
      • It's still removable
    • Audio has been added for the separation and reintegration sequence of the prometheus
    • The warp animation for the prometheus has been fixed

    Foundry:
    • Star rating calculations for missions now work properly.

    Note:
    Several more significant changes are coming tomorrow for the Prometheus

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=205261

    and

    http://www.startrekonline.com/store


    are you just ignoring the quotes and links people are giving you?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    We knew all along that it would be available for 500 emblems in addition to 1200 atari tokens. I thought that would give it away... :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    They did. All the relevant informaiton is on the C-Store page. You do not have to wade through any forum posts at all to find it.

    they did not post that information UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THERE

    this is the point im trying to make here

    some info that you dont have to spend hours searching for. info that we can find BEFORE HAND
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