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ok so this may have been asked before but i didn't see it atm so i figured id pose the question.

So anywho i just got back to STO after having not played for a year to check up on it, I am out fighting the borg and have since noticed a lot of ships with green ish lights, i've been told there borg ship parts which is neat and all but here in lies the question...

if anyone out there watched and remembers the end of the voyager series when janeway came back in time and gave voyager the Armor plating and all that tech to get past the borg like they were nothing? now my question considering this is after the whole voyager thing some time after even is why are we using borg parts when we should easily have considerably better at least for federation folks. the Armour and way better weapons. or am i just missing something here?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    When they added the playable Borg faction for the 1 year anniversary they had a big event at ESD where player Borg could assimilate non-Borg players and ships. After you get assimilated, you have the choice to keep the assimilated appearance of revert back to your normal appearance, so the people you are seeing apparently decided to keep the assimilated appearance. Not really, its a reward from the last featured episode series that makes your ship look "Reman-ish".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh no! I missed that event. Darn!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh man, that event was such a blast, and the rewards of it are just leagues above anything else in the game. It's a shame the OP missed out on it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    In a sadly serious response: they actually did add the armor from the final episode of Voyager, but right now it's an exclusive ability for the Intrepid refit.

    You get the Borg kibbles and bits from doing the borg STFs. (Infected gives you the engines, The Cure gives you the Deflector, and Khitomer gives you the Shields. The last part comes from the Assimilated mission in borg space, and it's a universal console).

    You also might want to look at crafting, there's a set to be had there, as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The equipment you are seeing is the Borg set which can be obtained through the STFs and the Assimilated mission. It boosts the performance of the ship using it. Having the entire set gives an added bonus.

    Anyway, you basically answered your own question. The Federation (and KDF) should have better technology since its so many years later... wouldn't that mean that the Borg have better technology too? No one ever said the Borg's tech was at a standstill. Considering the fact that the Borg assimilate races in order to learn about their technology and the fact that they are adaptive means their tech is always advancing and changing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It is years later. The borg adapt. Janeway brought back three bits of anti-borg technology: The armor, the torpedoes, and the neurogenic pathogen. Even by the time Voyager finished its rampage, the Borg had adapted to the pathogen and had nearly overcome the armor, the last sphere managed to cause hull breaches and Tuvok announced the imminent failure of the armor. The queen was confident they would adapt to the torpedoes, as well, but not before Voyager wrecked the place.

    Janeway bringing that technology back was a double edged sword. It was meant for use against the future Borg, and basically god-like against the Borg oft he past. However, it also gave the borg an early look at that technology, so years later when it actually came into use, the Borg already had the chance to adapt to it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    urieaal wrote: »
    ok so this may have been asked before but i didn't see it atm so i figured id pose the question.

    So anywho i just got back to STO after having not played for a year to check up on it, I am out fighting the borg and have since noticed a lot of ships with green ish lights, i've been told there borg ship parts which is neat and all but here in lies the question...

    if anyone out there watched and remembers the end of the voyager series when janeway came back in time and gave voyager the Armor plating and all that tech to get past the borg like they were nothing? now my question considering this is after the whole voyager thing some time after even is why are we using borg parts when we should easily have considerably better at least for federation folks. the Armour and way better weapons. or am i just missing something here?

    Yeah, we just did this thread a few days ago. I think we should have some Fed alternatives to the Reman/Borg/Tron items but we may not get anything close to that...particularly since the ONLY completely canon ship from this time period that isn't one of the ships we already have is the Galaxy X which, you probably already know, is less than an exact implementation of the ship from "All Good Things".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    attilio wrote: »
    The equipment you are seeing is the Borg set which can be obtained through the STFs and the Assimilated mission. It boosts the performance of the ship using it. Having the entire set gives an added bonus.

    Anyway, you basically answered your own question. The Federation (and KDF) should have better technology since its so many years later... wouldn't that mean that the Borg have better technology too? No one ever said the Borg's tech was at a standstill. Considering the fact that the Borg assimilate races in order to learn about their technology and the fact that they are adaptive means their tech is always advancing and changing.

    well not really if you watch all the tv series they literally have never changed there techs pretty much always been the same thing just minor tweeks here and there like the addition of spheres instead of just cubes, i havent read all the books but i've seen all the tv series and movies so i may be missing something.

    and the fact they never have been able to assimilate the federation into the collective rather then a few humans here and there. and my point in fact was that the armor plating vs shields was 1000x better then shields not to mention im sure that with the combination of shields and plating federation should quiet literally run the galaxy >.>

    the voyager episode in question well the first part of it has janeway going up vs a kdf ship in a runabout.. with plating and while she doesnt attack them they dont do diddly squat for damage to the runabout.. dont get me wrong its neet we get borg officers and a borg tribble and the delta flyer and all but the federation at the time line that STO is in should be running the galaxy and had more then enough time to retro fit there fleet with the armor and upgraded weapons and were still using shields like i just stated shields vs the armor the armor wins >.> soooo yah..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    hevach wrote: »
    It is years later. The borg adapt. Janeway brought back three bits of anti-borg technology: The armor, the torpedoes, and the neurogenic pathogen. Even by the time Voyager finished its rampage, the Borg had adapted to the pathogen and had nearly overcome the armor, the last sphere managed to cause hull breaches and Tuvok announced the imminent failure of the armor. The queen was confident they would adapt to the torpedoes, as well, but not before Voyager wrecked the place.

    Janeway bringing that technology back was a double edged sword. It was meant for use against the future Borg, and basically god-like against the Borg oft he past. However, it also gave the borg an early look at that technology, so years later when it actually came into use, the Borg already had the chance to adapt to it.

    and i get that they adapt and they have in STO from what i've seen now but i dont remember them ever adapting to anything but the pathogen. the torpedo's and hull plating they couldn't do anything against and my understanding of the plating was that even borg sensors couldn't penetrate it so yah??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    urieaal wrote: »
    and i get that they adapt and they have in STO from what i've seen now but i dont remember them ever adapting to anything but the pathogen. the torpedo's and hull plating they couldn't do anything against and my understanding of the plating was that even borg sensors couldn't penetrate it so yah??

    Then maybe you should watch the episode again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    urieaal wrote: »
    well not really if you watch all the tv series they literally have never changed there techs pretty much always been the same thing just minor tweeks here and there like the addition of spheres instead of just cubes, i havent read all the books but i've seen all the tv series and movies so i may be missing something.

    and the fact they never have been able to assimilate the federation into the collective rather then a few humans here and there. and my point in fact was that the armor plating vs shields was 1000x better then shields not to mention im sure that with the combination of shields and plating federation should quiet literally run the galaxy >.>

    the voyager episode in question well the first part of it has janeway going up vs a kdf ship in a runabout.. with plating and while she doesnt attack them they dont do diddly squat for damage to the runabout.. dont get me wrong its neet we get borg officers and a borg tribble and the delta flyer and all but the federation at the time line that STO is in should be running the galaxy and had more then enough time to retro fit there fleet with the armor and upgraded weapons and were still using shields like i just stated shields vs the armor the armor wins >.> soooo yah..






    *Hitting my head against the wall.*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    urieaal wrote: »
    well not really if you watch all the tv series they literally have never changed there techs pretty much always been the same thing just minor tweeks here and there like the addition of spheres instead of just cubes, i havent read all the books but i've seen all the tv series and movies so i may be missing something.

    and the fact they never have been able to assimilate the federation into the collective rather then a few humans here and there. and my point in fact was that the armor plating vs shields was 1000x better then shields not to mention im sure that with the combination of shields and plating federation should quiet literally run the galaxy >.>

    the voyager episode in question well the first part of it has janeway going up vs a kdf ship in a runabout.. with plating and while she doesnt attack them they dont do diddly squat for damage to the runabout.. dont get me wrong its neet we get borg officers and a borg tribble and the delta flyer and all but the federation at the time line that STO is in should be running the galaxy and had more then enough time to retro fit there fleet with the armor and upgraded weapons and were still using shields like i just stated shields vs the armor the armor wins >.> soooo yah..

    Well TNG, DS9, VOY, and the TNG movies all took place roughly during the same time span. This game takes place 30 years in the future, the Borg tech will undoubtedly change by this time. The books are not considered canon so whatever is in them doesn't matter. All that counts is the shows and movies so you know everything I know.

    Also the technology of the ablative armor was taken by the Borg when they assimilated Admiral Janeway, making it useless to use against them. Sure we could still use that armor against the Klingons, Romulans, and all our other enemies but then we wouldn't be able to fire phasers, only torpedoes. My assumption is that Starfleet decided that since the ablative armor is no longer useful against the Borg and firing only torpedoes at enemy ships would be useless then there was no point in putting it on all their vessels.

    Essentially it comes down to this: use it and you have no defense against the Borg and you cannot fire beam weapons at other enemies. Don't use it and you are back at where you started, just shields and regular hull.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well, I think you miss one important point. This is a game.

    People like the Borg set because people "like" Borg. Some like all this stuff comming out of their ships, others just like the set boni. Beside that the parts are nice and long needed rewards for the STFs. It might not fit your canon point of view, but honestly, every Star Trek series ignored the so called canon whenever the authors wanted to do it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    attilio wrote: »
    Well TNG, DS9, VOY, and the TNG movies all took place roughly during the same time span. This game takes place 30 years in the future, the Borg tech will undoubtedly change by this time. The books are not considered canon so whatever is in them doesn't matter. All that counts is the shows and movies so you know everything I know.

    Also the technology of the ablative armor was taken by the Borg when they assimilated Admiral Janeway, making it useless to use against them. Sure we could still use that armor against the Klingons, Romulans, and all our other enemies but then we wouldn't be able to fire phasers, only torpedoes. My assumption is that Starfleet decided that since the ablative armor is no longer useful against the Borg and firing only torpedoes at enemy ships would be useless then there was no point in putting it on all their vessels.

    Essentially it comes down to this: use it and you have no defense against the Borg and you cannot fire beam weapons at other enemies. Don't use it and you are back at where you started, just shields and regular hull.

    I have to disagree with you here, its called a contingency plan.

    bascially a what if scenario. while it doesnt make since to activate the ablative armour going into a battle or even when your doing well in a battle. it totally makes sense to have it around when your shields and standard hull fails...giving you an oppurtunity to flee to safety. So it makes complete sense theyd implement that as a contigency plan.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    urieaal wrote: »
    and i get that they adapt and they have in STO from what i've seen now but i dont remember them ever adapting to anything but the pathogen. the torpedo's and hull plating they couldn't do anything against and my understanding of the plating was that even borg sensors couldn't penetrate it so yah??

    They hadn't finished adapting to the armor, but they were in the process. The first several cubes managed to do a bit of damage, but then a lone sphere did more damage in less time, like I mentioned, causing hull breaches. It was very much a work in progress, but they were well on their way.

    As for the torpedoes, they hadn't made any headway on those yet, and at the moment the queen wasn't willing to throw away enough cubes to get the job done.

    However, there's precedent that the Borg don't need to be actively getting beaten with a weapon to adapt. They adapted to the Enterprise-D's deflector blast just by knowing the details ahead of time. So any work in progress should be complete by now, sped greatly by any information they assimilated from future Janeway before she died.
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