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Dailies are all good and fun, but I desperately would like to see some Klink PVE content. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone when I say that either... Sooooooo.... Stahl, what-cha got in store for us? Anyone have some fresh story ideas they want to run by us in this topic?

- I know there is an old Klink PVE suggestion topic, but maybe we should make a new one and avoid necro posting?

PS: Those who disagree are welcome here... but keep it civil, I no likey reporting my own topic.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    My guess is that they are going to promise huge things, and deliver very little for the KDF, as they do with a lot of other things.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Zanshi wrote: »
    My guess is that they are going to promise huge things, and deliver very little for the KDF, as they do with a lot of other things.

    It's not hard to pump out a lot of mediocre content. I doubt that's what anyone wants though.

    But sticking with the topic, Seasons are for gameplay changes. Anything in between is usually content changes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    At this point, considering how the Iconians are being presented as the major threat to everything in the Alpha Quadrant, it might be a good opportunity to scale back the separation of the two factions by a tiny bit. As it stands right now, the only things the current separation mechanics do are prevent cross-faction teaming, fleet formation, and keeping KDF players as far away from the vast majority of the game's content as possible.

    Not having cross-faction fleets is fine and makes absolutely perfect sense, of course, so there's no point in changing that. Teaming, on the other hand, might be a bit more of a welcome addition, seeing as the KDF makes up such a small percentage of the player population and most (if not all) of the missions that benefit most from or outright require teaming are available to both factions already, giving KDF players an easier time finding teams for these missions. The only hiccup here is PvP, though that can be worked around easily enough, as it just involves making it so that being on a team with a player from another faction means nothing in a PvP zone.

    Beyond that, my other suggestion would be to open up everything but Sirius to the KDF (just as everything but Omega Leonis is open to the Feds) and just slap a Klingon coat of paint on the missions in those sectors that don't involve shooting at other Klingons. It might not actually be new content, but it's technically new content for the KDF, which will make the faction a lot more inviting for new players, if nothing else.

    So, what of PvP? Why would the Federation and the Klingon Empire be fighting if they were no longer at war? Well, the short answer is that the war isn't technically over. The PvP we have in place already is mainly based in vague territorial border disputes and there's no reason that would stop just because the Empire realizes there are common enemies for both sides to work together against. "The enemy of my enemy" and all that.

    It would require a bit of an overhaul to implement, but an overhaul is what we need here anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I know this is a bit bold, but perhaps the dev's can do away with this content gap between the two factions by simply following what is often mentioned in canon.

    let the klingons join the federation!

    The gorn/orion and other subjects and angry klingons who do not wish to follow this decision by the klingon high council can remain in the current Klink faction, with all of its frustrating lack of content.

    thoughts?



    (NOTE: I AM 100% completely kidding, and think this is a horrible idea. just tired of yet another klingon content thread)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    There are already Klingon Federation players. :p

    It would be great if Cryptic could devote enough people to throw out a ton of new content, but from what it looks like, it might take away people form new episodic missions. Which is more paramount than Klingon content.

    So hopefully they can hire another team and handle both things at the same time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Stahl said sometime ago that the Klingons and anyother future factions won't be as flashed out as the Feds.
    Leveling to max level via PvE yes, but not as many content as Feds will ever have :(.

    I put the little hope I have left for the Klingon faction into the Foundry so we get some PVE missions via this means, granted that the missions from it actually give XP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    As much as I think the early Fed content is in dire need of remastering (stop the signal anyone? ugh...) I personally think that, with the completion of the Romulan featured episodes, it's time to work on remastering the Romulan front mission chains and grant Klingons access to them. Allow Klingons to forcibly investigate Hobus and Iconia etc. If we're gonna go down this unified plotline for both factions, then the Klingons need access to the missions as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh please not THIS again...

    Klingons are fine, they are a pvp faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    While I honestly don't see it as being likely (or practical) that the Klingons have the exact same amount of content as the Feds, they should still (imo) have enough that will get you from Engisn to VA, or close to it.

    I hit Captain 5 with my Klingon, and it all dried up (and i'd even been doing those nebula "kill twelve enemies" missions).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    New Klingon PvE content is supposed to ship with season 4 I believe.

    I don't have a hard quote but I know its been stated by a dev somewhere. Anyways if you check out the engineering reports at season 4 you should be able to start a KDF character from the start, without the Fed level 6 nonsense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh please not THIS again...

    Klingons are fine, they are a pvp faction.

    Uh, yes, "this again..."

    There are plenty of players who disagree that the Klingon faction is fine... be they Fed based players (like me) or actual Klingon players. The Devs happen to agree. Which is why the Klingon faction is getting a minor overhaul in season 4. You know... the Revamped Qo'nos, tutorial missions, and the devs reviewing the faction for content gaps with the plan of eventually filling them in so you can level a Klingon from scratch through PvE alone if that is your wish.

    Despite what you personally may believe, I think that there are many players out there that would love to have a Klingon character, but do not want to be involved in PvP. There's nothing wrong with those players offering suggestions to the Devs on how to go about this. Especially when it's presented politely and without the usual "Cryptic sucks" BS that normally litters these sorts of thread OPs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Uh, yes, "this again..."

    There are plenty (cca 5 percent) of players who (play Klingons and) disagree that the Klingon faction is fine... be they Fed based players (like me) or actual Klingons. The Devs happen to agree (but do nothing, because catering to 5 percent of players with huge amount of content makes no business sense). Which is why the Klingon faction is getting a minor overhaul in season 4 (for which I'd hold my horses). You know... the Revamped Qo'nos, tutorial missions, and the devs reviewing the faction for content gaps with the plan of eventually filling them in so you can level a Klingon from scratch through PvE alone if that is your wish (which will end with tutoral and like 5 new missions).

    Despite what you personally may believe, I think that there are many players out there that would love to have a Klingon character, but do not want to be involved in PvP (yep, about 2-3 percent). There's nothing wrong with those players offering suggestions to the Devs on how to go about this. Especially when it's presented politely and without the usual "Cryptic sucks" BS that normally litters these sorts of thread OPs.

    Answers in yellow...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Please follow Wil Wheaton's Law of the internet.

    Respond to what I said properly instead of editing my post to add your biased interpretation of what I said.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh please not THIS again...

    Klingons are fine, they are a pvp faction.

    Klingons were a PvP faction. Besides, people are finding it rather difficult to level up a Klingon character solely by PvP these days.

    And there are the few Klingon PvErs out there that needs something to do, besides the same missions all the way until they hit LTG.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Please follow Wil Wheaton's Law of the internet.

    Respond to what I said properly instead of editing my post to add your biased interpretation of what I said.

    Those were my answers :)

    But fine. Klingons "big overhaul" will end up by adding like 5 new missions
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    And there are the few Klingon PvErs out there...

    Needs of the many and all that. Why bother with a mission like 500 players will play once while levelling, when you can have Featured Series mission for the same effort that 50k people will play and enjoy on all levels.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Needs of the many and all that. Why bother with a mission like 500 players will play once while levelling, when you can have Featured Series mission for the same effort that 50k people will play and enjoy on all levels.

    By that logic, then 95% of the missions in the game are a waste, because pretty much everyone plays them only once.

    But you never know, whatever new Klingon missions they are adding, it could be as fun as the Underworld Missions, which would warrant players replaying once in a while.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh please not THIS again...

    Klingons are fine, they are a pvp faction.

    Oh not this again..the Federation is the PVP and PVE faction.

    Klingons are glorified monster play :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh please not THIS again...

    Klingons are fine, they are a pvp faction.
    Considering that PvP has become something of a mess and has had zilch for meaning in this game, with a fairly tiny portion of the population even bothering with it seriously and Fed vs Fed making Klingons ultimately superfluous for the very function to which they're supposedly focused around, I wouldn't say that Klingons are even fine in that regard, either.
    catering to 5 percent of Klingoon players with an effort that could be invested into another Featured Episode serie is a waste of time.
    I always love this excuse because it completely ignores the fact that the reason the KDF population wound up this low in the first place is because there was no PvE content to keep players interested while they were leveling, and there still isn't enough to make leveling a KDF character appealing for the vast majority of players.

    You have to understand that the addition of this content isn't for the existing crop of Klingons. It's to give people a reason to make new Klingons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Drop every attempt at diversity, and you end up with even less than the scrambled for 95% or whatever. A singular design policy sure cuts the fat off the population. You end up with a rather stable core, but it will be smaller than it is now, that is my humble guess.

    These loyal followers will be given a BO from every species in the Trek universe, and souvenirs from every culture not annex... erm part of the Federation. As an extra special bonus they can cut the team even further, since there will be fewer players. It is good to live on the edge, no doubt, The Atari Ghost will probably calm down when things stabilize. Sounds like great economical fun. ;)

    ---
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I just finished leveling a KDF character to Lt.General and it was a bit repetitive. That said, at least i got through it, when the game was new i couldn´t bring myself to get over lt.com on the kdf side. :)

    I´m always for more content, but it bugs me that it´s always a "we vs. them" attitude here on the forums. I may have a lot of fed chars and only two kdf chars, but i don´t consider myself part of any real life faction, i´m a STO player.:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh please not THIS again...

    Klingons are fine, they are a pvp faction.

    Oh please, not THIS fallacy again...

    The are and never were a PvP faction.
    I have yet to see that anyone who makes that statement manages to back it up by even a shred of evidence.
    Klingons are just unfinished.
    They were announced as a full faction, then it was realized there was not enough time to finish them.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3311401&postcount=223

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=1121755&postcount=1

    Why would they add PvE before release to a PvP faction?
    Because they never were one.

    Otherwise they'd have had access to the same content as the Feds EXCEPT PvE.
    Same amount of customization, ships etc.
    They would not have had bugged vendors and Federation transport effects on release.

    So now I'd like you to back up your statement that they are a PvP faction (and therfore stay that way) and not just a faction that was just PvP at launch due to lack of time (in which there would be a point in keeping them that way).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    So you really didn't read my post at all, other than to, once again, edit it to fit your biased interpretation of what you thought I said.

    There are plenty (cca 5 percent) of players who (play Klingons and) disagree that the Klingon faction is fine... be they Fed based players (like me) or actual Klingons.
    Here is where I am taking exception to your editing of my post. You are reading what you believe to be true and ignoring what I actually said... let me BOLD (and italic) the important bit(s).
    There are plenty of players who disagree that the Klingon faction is fine... be they Fed based players (like me) or actual Klingons.
    (just as a side note, the original version of this post contains a minor edit now where I change "Klingons" to Klingon players" just to pre-empt those people who enjoy making jokes about there being "real life klingons playing the klingon faction" :p :rolleyes:)

    Just because there's a small group of loud, obnoxious Klingon players on this forum who yell that "Cryptic sucks" whenever something new comes out for fed players, doesn't mean that there aren't other players fed side that agree with the stance that the lack of Klingon PvE content severely hurts the faction.

    Due to the lack of development time, the Klingon faction was turned into a "PvP faction" for launch. This had the effect of driving away those players who were on the forums at the time who were looking forward to having a klingon character, but had no interest in PvP. It has left the current klingon faction in a catch 22 situation. Thanks to being PvP only, the Klingon faction was already much smaller than it could have been (not going to deny that they were ever going to be equal thanks to the series and film's focus on the federation) and the PvP in this game is apparently not enough to keep the interest of the MMO PvP community. This leaves the Klingon faction with a small (and dwindling) playerbase.

    This means that, yes, it is hard for Cryptic to justify spending resources on Klingon content that only "5%" of the whole playerbase can enjoy, (btw, could you provide a link to where this 5% figure comes from please), but it also means that the Klingon playerbase has no draw for the majority of players to help it grow. This is a serious problem and the Devs know it.
    But fine. Klingons "big overhaul"
    Which is why the Klingon faction is getting a minor overhaul in season 4.
    I never claimed a "big overhaul".
    will end up by adding like 5 new missions
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Jack Emmert announced in August of 2008 that there would be two factions with full PvE content.

    Dan Stahl verified in his January 30th 2011 interview with Computer Ed that the plan was always to have full PvE content for both factions.

    And finally, Jack Emmert said right here on the forums that if we don't like the lack of Klingon PvE content that we should post about that and that they would add more Klingon PvE content.

    Links proving that everything I've said is true are right in my signature.
    __________

    So that's not all. It's not good enough. And we're not going to go away. We're going to stay here and keep posting on these forums about it until Cryptic keeps their word and fixes Klingon PvE.

    And some of us will be here for life, so you'd better get used to it. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It's not hard to pump out a lot of mediocre content. I doubt that's what anyone wants though.

    But sticking with the topic, Seasons are for gameplay changes. Anything in between is usually content changes.

    season 2 rings to mind with that statement when diplomacy was flashed all over the place then when it droped it was fed only along with the ships that didnt apear back then, we got told the 'but i have a kdf char' by the devs and that we really are working on it lines but never see a thing. so i wont hold my breat on season 4 doing anything apart from maybe adding rura penthe which is on tribble an will prob be one mission so woop not. we will get rinse repeat dailys and expected to live with it.

    hwo to fix it,let us do the patrols, let us in all space excpet sol. easy todo, try zone into sol or memory alpha, sorry you dont have clearence, give us all fed q's that arnt fed pivital against the kdf and give us access to ds9 and the relevent zones that. and tada content division fixed and gone, then all they gotta do is reskin some fed ship models like the sci ships and that with kdf factional npc ships skins.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The reason why cryptic said 5 months ago that KDF was getting a whole bunch of stuff aside from fed content, didn't get it, and they have been extremely quiet as of late doesn't really bode well. There is quite a few posts about this each week that don't get a response.
    Of course, since cryptic hasn't said anything you could take it either way. But there is no reason for them to keep quiet on something that is positive.
    So, i have to say it is negative and cryptic is keeping the kdf where it is. Throughout the year they will be adding daily and stuff but will not be giving the KDF anything new. I remember a year ago "targ breeding" was coming and last fall "KDF version of diplomacy" is coming. I am sure it didn't take fed diplomacy 6 months of work. And KDF was going to be able to team up with feds for everything in the borg sector, as well.
    Cryptic isn't very good at handling criticism pointed at them so they will ignore this.

    There has been THOUSANDS of threads about the reason stop this poorly implemented war and have each faction have access to the same content since beta. I have a feeling that originally cryptic had a great bold vision for the faction but doesn't have the resources to do it now.

    So, the option of 'stopping the war' is there, but it may just simply be that it is an inner game mechanic that can't be fixed without putting resources into a resource strained company. It is fustrating.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    The reason why cryptic said 5 months ago that KDF was getting a whole bunch of stuff aside from fed content, didn't get it, and they have been extremely quiet as of late doesn't really bode well. There is quite a few posts about this each week that don't get a response.
    Of course, since cryptic hasn't said anything you could take it either way. But there is no reason for them to keep quiet on something that is positive.
    So, i have to say it is negative and cryptic is keeping the kdf where it is. Throughout the year they will be adding daily and stuff but will not be giving the KDF anything new. I remember a year ago "targ breeding" was coming and last fall "KDF version of diplomacy" is coming. I am sure it didn't take fed diplomacy 6 months of work. And KDF was going to be able to team up with feds for everything in the borg sector, as well.
    Cryptic isn't very good at handling criticism pointed at them so they will ignore this.

    There has been THOUSANDS of threads about the reason stop this poorly implemented war and have each faction have access to the same content since beta. I have a feeling that originally cryptic had a great bold vision for the faction but doesn't have the resources to do it now.

    So, the option of 'stopping the war' is there, but it may just simply be that it is an inner game mechanic that can't be fixed without putting resources into a resource strained company. It is fustrating.

    Plans change, different things end up prioritised... While I think that the devs need to talk to us more about what's going on with the Klingon faction, I don't think that their silence bodes badly for them. It can just mean that things are in flux...

    An example would be that 6 months ago, Cryptic was adamant that Klingons wouldn't get their own tutorial, and that they'd always be unlocked via fed gameplay... Now we're seeing in the engineering report that there's serious discussion and possibly even work being done on providing a Klingon tutorial from the start. There's also signs of a craftable attack horta which bodes well for attack targs and possible targ breeding...

    And with all the talk of STO possibly going F2P in the future, Cryptic are going to want to get the Klingon faction as fleshed out as possible. I'd hate to imagine the uproar if the game went F2P with the Klingon faction in it's current state (or forcing f2p players to purchase a PvP faction)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Plans change, different things end up prioritised... While I think that the devs need to talk to us more about what's going on with the Klingon faction, I don't think that their silence bodes badly for them. It can just mean that things are in flux...

    An example would be that 6 months ago, Cryptic was adamant that Klingons wouldn't get their own tutorial, and that they'd always be unlocked via fed gameplay... Now we're seeing in the engineering report that there's serious discussion and possibly even work being done on providing a Klingon tutorial from the start. There's also signs of a craftable attack horta which bodes well for attack targs and possible targ breeding...

    And with all the talk of STO possibly going F2P in the future, Cryptic are going to want to get the Klingon faction as fleshed out as possible. I'd hate to imagine the uproar if the game went F2P with the Klingon faction in it's current state (or forcing f2p players to purchase a PvP faction)

    It won't go ftp soon. The new movie comes out next year and they will hope for an influx of cash then. The star trek license isn't cheap. Just cheaply given.

    The kdf tutorial will probably be coming in the next month or so and the next feature episode series will have to do with the Gorn and they will revamp kdf space. Buuut the feds get that.

    Last year cryptic had this new approach they were trying. This open approach that they would be telling the community everything. They planned on being the most open MMO developer they could be. If something has changed for one of thier factions, and they just don't happen to mention it, well that is just sad.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    It won't go ftp soon. The new movie comes out next year and they will hope for an influx of cash then. The star trek license isn't cheap. Just cheaply given.

    The kdf tutorial will probably be coming in the next month or so and the next feature episode series will have to do with the Gorn and they will revamp kdf space. Buuut the feds get that.

    Last year cryptic had this new approach they were trying. This open approach that they would be telling the community everything. They planned on being the most open MMO developer they could be. If something has changed for one of thier factions, and they just don't happen to mention it, well that is just sad.

    There's a difference between "silence because they don't care" and "silence because they haven't locked down exactly what's being done yet and how many resources can be applied to do it". Cryptic is being open with us where they can, and it's honestly refreshing. They work with the playerbase and listen to our feedback, that's fantastic, but they're also trying not to repeat mistakes of the past, especially regarding the Klingon faction.

    The absolute one thing that I see Dstahl and co trying to avoid are false promises, something that Dstahl's predecessor fell into giving any time there was criticism of the Klingon faction (personally I highly doubt that he purposely set out to make false promises, but he certainly ended up writing cheques to the klingon playerbase that he couldn't cash). That can sometimes mean silence on an issue until they come up with something firm, just so that it doesn't come back to bite them a few months later when someone says "You promised us this, we don't have it, you guys suck!!!!" when things change due to limited resources, or a better idea coming up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Plans change, different things end up prioritised... While I think that the devs need to talk to us more about what's going on with the Klingon faction, I don't think that their silence bodes badly for them. It can just mean that things are in flux...

    An example would be that 6 months ago, Cryptic was adamant that Klingons wouldn't get their own tutorial, and that they'd always be unlocked via fed gameplay... Now we're seeing in the engineering report that there's serious discussion and possibly even work being done on providing a Klingon tutorial from the start. There's also signs of a craftable attack horta which bodes well for attack targs and possible targ breeding...

    And with all the talk of STO possibly going F2P in the future, Cryptic are going to want to get the Klingon faction as fleshed out as possible. I'd hate to imagine the uproar if the game went F2P with the Klingon faction in it's current state (or forcing f2p players to purchase a PvP faction)

    sorry but more or less when it was release it was said that kdf would get there own tutorial as it was rushed out the gate and just enough put in to make it playable. prime example is the quote in my sig from near as damned it release.

    and if you mean stuff gets reprioritised ye it does by stupid flashy ships for the feds and consoles so that more or less get another ship by default. an i dont wanna hear but they pay the most, of course they do, what is there on kdf to pull new players to it and whats to bring old players back who just see a few things added an nothing of major content for the kdf, we still dont have proper uniform options similar to the feds, no space to explore like the feds, blocked from most the map and no real story and lore showing the factions within the kdf an no real ships through the ranks for stuff like science.
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