Hello I am wondering how the tech on these would work.
Fact your inertia in space will keep you moving.
From Wiki
Science fiction movies and telecasts normally depict tractor and repulsor beams as audible, narrow rays of visible light that cover a small area of a target. Tractor beams are most commonly used on spaceships and space stations. They are generally used in two ways:
1.As a device for securing or retrieving cargo, passengers, shuttlecraft, etc. This is analogous to cranes on modern ships.
2.As a means of preventing an enemy from escaping, analogous to grappling hooks.
In the latter case, there are usually countermeasures that can be employed against tractor beams. These may include pressor beams (a stronger pressor beam will counteract a weaker tractor beam) or plane shears aka shearing planes (a device to "cut" the tractor beam and render it ineffective). In some fictional realities shields can block tractor beams, or the generators can be disabled by sending a large amount of energy back up the beam to its source.
Tractor beams and pressor beams can be used together as a weapon: by attracting one side of an enemy spaceship while repelling the other, one can create severely damaging shear effects in its hull. Another mode of destructive use of such beams is rapid alternating between pressing and pulling force in order to cause structural damage to the ship as well as inflicting lethal forces on its crew.
Two objects being brought together by a tractor beam are usually attracted toward their common center of gravity. This means that if a small spaceship applies a tractor beam to a large object such as a planet, the ship will be drawn towards the planet, rather than vice versa.
In Star Trek, tractor beams are imagined to work by placing a target in the focus of a subspace/graviton interference pattern created by two beams from an emitter. When the beams are manipulated correctly the target is drawn along with the interference pattern. The target may be moved toward or away from the emitter by changing the polarity of the beams. Range of the beam affects the maximum mass that can be moved by the emitter, and the emitter subjects its anchoring structure to significant force.[30]
Tractor beams from ships currently stop other ships dead in space it reduces thier movement severly.
So does it shut off the targeted ships engines? No it does not.
So why doesn't the tractored ship drag the firing ship along with it?
The only way to stop it would for the firing ship to reverse it engines and stop the forward movement of the target.
Otherwise movement of some dimension for both ships would still occur due to thier inertia.
The ship firing the tractor would be affected the same as the target if anything they might collide.
If the target doesn't have any engines then the firing ship would drag it closer to itself or pushit away like the definition above.
So how tractor beams currently work in STO are incorrect they are used to push and pull objects.
A tractor mine would pull it self into contact with its target not keep itself stationary and preventing a Starship with much more tonnage and with engines than itself from moving.
The correct way these mines should work is that they tractor thier target and drag themselves to that target and stick on it.
Where they would have either a power drain effect targeting the ships engines or they have small engines to produce drag on the target thus slowing it down.
It's simpler to imagine that the TB can also create a localized mass effect field that massively degrades the impulse imparted on the affected ship's hull, causing it to effectively stop dead until the field is removed. Polarizing your hull negates the effect by creating an equally-powerful electrogravitic effect that reduces the mass effect field produced by the offending tractor beam emitter.
It's even simpler to say "it's a video game, and having both ships be stuck together is really stupid and annoying gameplay-wise." Realism is always a distant secondary consideration to "fun" in a video game.
That said, "fun" usually doesn't involve being stuck in place by a ship or the ship's randomly-dropped detritus, but that's not the point of this thread, now is it?
It's called technobabble and Star Trek is famous for it. It works because authors say it works, nothing more to it than that. I wouldn't dig too deep into Star Trek technical "issues" though if I were you, the number of inconsistencies in ST universe is mindblowing.
It's called technobabble and Star Trek is famous for it. It works because authors say it works, nothing more to it than that. I wouldn't dig too deep into Star Trek technical "issues" though if I were you, the number of inconsistencies in ST universe is mindblowing.
If you don't believe Farsight, just dig up and watch "The Cage" (TOS). Any illusions of technological continuity will shatter completely.
EDIT: I think it's available for viewing on CBS's website.
But yeah, for real, yours was exactly the same thought I had about the tractor mines when I first saw them. Had a good laugh at the mental image of how it should really work, with the mines just getting dragged along helplessly by the ship.
You ever see Harry Potter? Same type thing except they call it STO.
That pretty much covers it. Star Trek has as much in common as science despite being called science fiction as harry potter has in common with science. I don't know of any real hard scifi shows but there are many good hard scifi books.
If you want hard scifi you will have to read books.
You definitely can not put reality into star trek online. This game is based on star trek not reality and star trek has jack squat to do with reality.
Hello I am wondering how the tech on these would work.
Fact your inertia in space will keep you moving.
From Wiki
Science fiction movies and telecasts normally depict tractor and repulsor beams as audible, narrow rays of visible light that cover a small area of a target. Tractor beams are most commonly used on spaceships and space stations. They are generally used in two ways:
1.As a device for securing or retrieving cargo, passengers, shuttlecraft, etc. This is analogous to cranes on modern ships.
2.As a means of preventing an enemy from escaping, analogous to grappling hooks.
In the latter case, there are usually countermeasures that can be employed against tractor beams. These may include pressor beams (a stronger pressor beam will counteract a weaker tractor beam) or plane shears aka shearing planes (a device to "cut" the tractor beam and render it ineffective). In some fictional realities shields can block tractor beams, or the generators can be disabled by sending a large amount of energy back up the beam to its source.
Tractor beams and pressor beams can be used together as a weapon: by attracting one side of an enemy spaceship while repelling the other, one can create severely damaging shear effects in its hull. Another mode of destructive use of such beams is rapid alternating between pressing and pulling force in order to cause structural damage to the ship as well as inflicting lethal forces on its crew.
Two objects being brought together by a tractor beam are usually attracted toward their common center of gravity. This means that if a small spaceship applies a tractor beam to a large object such as a planet, the ship will be drawn towards the planet, rather than vice versa.
In Star Trek, tractor beams are imagined to work by placing a target in the focus of a subspace/graviton interference pattern created by two beams from an emitter. When the beams are manipulated correctly the target is drawn along with the interference pattern. The target may be moved toward or away from the emitter by changing the polarity of the beams. Range of the beam affects the maximum mass that can be moved by the emitter, and the emitter subjects its anchoring structure to significant force.[30]
Tractor beams from ships currently stop other ships dead in space it reduces thier movement severly.
So does it shut off the targeted ships engines? No it does not.
So why doesn't the tractored ship drag the firing ship along with it?
The only way to stop it would for the firing ship to reverse it engines and stop the forward movement of the target.
Otherwise movement of some dimension for both ships would still occur due to thier inertia.
The ship firing the tractor would be affected the same as the target if anything they might collide.
If the target doesn't have any engines then the firing ship would drag it closer to itself or pushit away like the definition above.
So how tractor beams currently work in STO are incorrect they are used to push and pull objects.
A tractor mine would pull it self into contact with its target not keep itself stationary and preventing a Starship with much more tonnage and with engines than itself from moving.
The correct way these mines should work is that they tractor thier target and drag themselves to that target and stick on it.
Where they would have either a power drain effect targeting the ships engines or they have small engines to produce drag on the target thus slowing it down.
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If this Wiki article holds water, and it seems that it does, then something else should be happening. Instead of our ship being stopped by the tractor mine, the mine should be pulling itself, very swifty, toward our ship and then detonating.
This same principle was used in World War II, in the form of magnetic mines by the Germans...and we all know they had a UFO right? That it crashed in the Black Forest sometime around 1930. The German scientist reverse-engineered this craft and is how they were able to develop fighter jets and ballistic missles.
Well, it's how Tractor Beams in Startrek used to work. There was never talk about a ship being moved by its own tractor beam. The Defiant uses a tractor beam to hold off a Vor'Cha to get some breathing room rescuing a few scientists - the Defiant is not yanked around because of that.
The mines could have some kind of subspace anchor.
They could also be using a kind of artificial gravity generator to increase the gravity in a localised field - making it behave much heavier than it actually is.
It's Fiction, there's a lot of ways to "explain" it, even if it makes no sense in RL physics.
The mines could have some kind of subspace anchor.
They could also be using a kind of artificial gravity generator to increase the gravity in a localised field - making it behave much heavier than it actually is.
It's Fiction, there's a lot of ways to "explain" it, even if it makes no sense in RL physics.
This that is why this all is called science fiction, it has taken science into fiction which means we can do close to about anything.
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You are so funny. I'm Just speechless
It's even simpler to say "it's a video game, and having both ships be stuck together is really stupid and annoying gameplay-wise." Realism is always a distant secondary consideration to "fun" in a video game.
That said, "fun" usually doesn't involve being stuck in place by a ship or the ship's randomly-dropped detritus, but that's not the point of this thread, now is it?
There's an explanation in canon, it's just the physics in STO are wonky and don't account for things like thrust.
If you don't believe Farsight, just dig up and watch "The Cage" (TOS). Any illusions of technological continuity will shatter completely.
EDIT: I think it's available for viewing on CBS's website.
But yeah, for real, yours was exactly the same thought I had about the tractor mines when I first saw them. Had a good laugh at the mental image of how it should really work, with the mines just getting dragged along helplessly by the ship.
That pretty much covers it. Star Trek has as much in common as science despite being called science fiction as harry potter has in common with science. I don't know of any real hard scifi shows but there are many good hard scifi books.
If you want hard scifi you will have to read books.
You definitely can not put reality into star trek online. This game is based on star trek not reality and star trek has jack squat to do with reality.
If this Wiki article holds water, and it seems that it does, then something else should be happening. Instead of our ship being stopped by the tractor mine, the mine should be pulling itself, very swifty, toward our ship and then detonating.
This same principle was used in World War II, in the form of magnetic mines by the Germans...and we all know they had a UFO right? That it crashed in the Black Forest sometime around 1930. The German scientist reverse-engineered this craft and is how they were able to develop fighter jets and ballistic missles.
They could also be using a kind of artificial gravity generator to increase the gravity in a localised field - making it behave much heavier than it actually is.
It's Fiction, there's a lot of ways to "explain" it, even if it makes no sense in RL physics.
This that is why this all is called science fiction, it has taken science into fiction which means we can do close to about anything.