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Was there anyone on that ship working for me?

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Let's see, it is possible that someone could have ship with the following:
Ferengi Captain
Breen BOff
Reman BOff
Borg BOff
KDF BOff

So you could have a Starfleet ship with absolutely no Federation members on it.

I must remember to keep my shields up from now on...


Bonus points for naming the episode the title is from...
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I forget the episode, but it's a chakotay quote. Season one or two.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    There could even be two Borg BO's. You only get to use that quote if you find out that they aren't loyal to you. And you can maybe put only non-Federation members at all your ship's consoles, BUT the rest of the BO's and the crew will still be Starfleet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Technically, those Ferengi are a part of the Federation through the Dual Citizenship Program.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well, I guess you could use a playable Klingon as a Captain and it would be a ship of mercenaries.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    In all fairness they could all be Federation members. Lets go down the list shall we:

    Ferengi - Allowed to join Starfleet due to dual citizenship.
    Breen - Defected from his people based off of that one mission with the Breen science officer.
    Borg - Liberated from the collective therefore not actually Borg anymore.
    KDF - While not part of Starfleet it is part of the officer exchange program.
    Reman - To be determined.

    Honestly out of that list (not counting the Reman yet) the KDF BO is the only one who really can't be part of the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    attilio wrote: »
    Honestly out of that list (not counting the Reman yet) the KDF BO is the only one who really can't be part of the Federation.

    Presumably, the Klingons in Starfleet defected from the empire in order to follow in the footsteps of Worf, or in the footsteps of Miral Paris, who they believe is the Kuvah'magh.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Presumably, the Klingons in Starfleet defected from the empire in order to follow in the footsteps of Worf, or in the footsteps of Miral Paris, who they believe is the Kuvah'magh.

    A Klingon BO and a KDF BO are two different things though.

    As you said, the Klingon BO could have joined for any number of reasons. Which makes sense and would make them part of the Federation.

    A KDF BO is received through the diplomatic core and is actually non-klingon (i.e Orion). They also keep their KDF uniform because they are part of the officer exchange. Therefore they are not part of the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    attilio wrote: »
    A Klingon BO and a KDF BO are two different things though.

    As you said, the Klingon BO could have joined for any number of reasons. Which makes sense and would make them part of the Federation.

    A KDF BO is received through the diplomatic core and is actually non-klingon (i.e Orion). They also keep their KDF uniform because they are part of the officer exchange. Therefore they are not part of the Federation.

    Which makes it all the more fun when I make my KDF Orion Boff kill other KDF.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    State of Flux was the Episode.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    attilio wrote: »
    A KDF BO is received through the diplomatic core and is actually non-klingon (i.e Orion). They also keep their KDF uniform because they are part of the officer exchange. Therefore they are not part of the Federation.

    Well, the Orion boffs at the very least wouldn't be too hard to explain. The Species as a whole is still neutral, as I understand it, it's just the Orion Syndicate Organization that are allied with the KDF. Unless I'm mistaken. I know there was an Orion in Starfleet Academy in the latest movie (the one Kirk was in bed with).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well, the Orion boffs at the very least wouldn't be too hard to explain. The Species as a whole is still neutral, as I understand it, it's just the Orion Syndicate Organization that are allied with the KDF. Unless I'm mistaken. I know there was an Orion in Starfleet Academy in the latest movie (the one Kirk was in bed with).

    Well the latest movie has no affect on this game at all, aside from Spock and Nero being missing. That is in an alternate timeline which is possibly why we see an Orion in Starfleet.

    Honestly I'm not sure if the entire Orion race or just the Syndicate is allied with the KDF. I don't even think they know themselves :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    K-Tar wrote:
    There could even be two Borg BO's. You only get to use that quote if you find out that they aren't loyal to you. And you can maybe put only non-Federation members at all your ship's consoles, BUT the rest of the BO's and the crew will still be Starfleet.



    The thing about having a Borg BO is, that if youre not watching, you might just suddenly have ALL Borg BO's. ;-) They have this cross-culture "assimilation" thing they do... so your multi-ethnic crew is now ALL pale and sprouting implants, while the original Borg whistles innocently and pretends to be doing something else.


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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Am I the only one that thinks the officer exchange program in a time of war is really stupid. Especially when you are bringing enemy officers to serve on your ship.

    I mean couldn't they have come up with a better explanation. Like colonies that didn't go back to the old Klingon ways. Or Gorn that wanted to fight against the Klingons that conquered them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Englebert wrote:
    Am I the only one that thinks the officer exchange program in a time of war is really stupid. Especially when you are bringing enemy officers to serve on your ship.

    I mean couldn't they have come up with a better explanation. Like colonies that didn't go back to the old Klingon ways. Or Gorn that wanted to fight against the Klingons that conquered them.

    I think it is closer related to the truce set up by the Federation and Klingons due to the Borg threat in Gamma Orionis.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    attilio wrote: »
    I think it is closer related to the truce set up by the Federation and Klingons due to the Borg threat in Gamma Orionis.

    Even with a truce you wouldn't bring the potential enemy on board to serve on your bridge.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Let's see, it is possible that someone could have ship with the following:
    Ferengi Captain
    Breen BOff
    Reman BOff
    Borg BOff
    KDF BOff

    So you could have a Starfleet ship with absolutely no Federation members on it.

    I must remember to keep my shields up from now on...


    Bonus points for naming the episode the title is from...



    That would be a good accolade
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Let's see, it is possible that someone could have ship with the following:
    Ferengi Captain
    Breen BOff
    Reman BOff
    Borg BOff
    KDF BOff

    So you could have a Starfleet ship with absolutely no Federation members on it.

    I must remember to keep my shields up from now on...


    Bonus points for naming the episode the title is from...

    You could have a Starfleet Ship with no Federation BOffs on it. It's also assumed that these characters become members of the Federation before joining.

    Wasn't most of Sisko's crew non-starfleet: Odo, Kira, etc.?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lumikumi wrote: »
    State of Flux was the Episode.

    yes right after he finds out the bajoran is a cardasian!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011


    Bonus points for naming the episode the title is from...

    The Quote is actually "... was anyone on that ship working for me?"
    It's Chakotay from "State of Flux", Voyager Season 1, Episode 11.

    Edited to add: oops. Didn't see the last post.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You could have a Starfleet Ship with no Federation BOffs on it. It's also assumed that these characters become members of the Federation before joining.

    Wasn't most of Sisko's crew non-starfleet: Odo, Kira, etc.?

    Oda and Kira were the only non-Federation members of his senior staff. I don't think they ever said how many of the stations crew was Starfleet and how many were Bajoran Militia. Although it would be accurate to say that better than half of Sisko's crew was non-human. Of the 8 members of the senior staff (including Nog) only 3 were human (including Sisko). Originally you did not have to be a Federation citizen to join Starfleet, ie Nog. You only needed a letter of recommendation of a command-level officer. However, in the STO timeline that has changed.
    I agree it would be cool to have a diverse, all non-human crew.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    bringram wrote: »
    Oda and Kira were the only non-Federation members of his senior staff. I don't think they ever said how many of the stations crew was Starfleet and how many were Bajoran Militia. Although it would be accurate to say that better than half of Sisko's crew was non-human. Of the 8 members of the senior staff (including Nog) only 3 were human (including Sisko). Originally you did not have to be a Federation citizen to join Starfleet, ie Nog. You only needed a letter of recommendation of a command-level officer. However, in the STO timeline that has changed.
    I agree it would be cool to have a diverse, all non-human crew.

    His XO was non-starfleet and she was in temporary command of the station frequently (and his security chief, the keeper of the gates, was non-starfleet).

    Technically, Dax was also non-stafleet despite Ezri and Jadzia being members. Wasn't Rom also non-starfleet but worked for Miles on the engineering team?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    o wow great plan, make a fed ship with absolutely no fed crew, your prob one of those guys flying in hidious abominations equipped with reman shields and every other none-fed tech you can find, just to kick the whole image of unity in the balls. Thank you sir.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    bringram wrote: »
    The Quote is actually "... was anyone on that ship working for me?"
    It's Chakotay from "State of Flux", Voyager Season 1, Episode 11.

    Edited to add: oops. Didn't see the last post.

    I know. I slightly changed to make it a thread title.

    But hell, we are on track to having the only humans on board being the NPCs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    His XO was non-starfleet and she was in temporary command of the station frequently (and his security chief, the keeper of the gates, was non-starfleet).

    Technically, Dax was also non-stafleet despite Ezri and Jadzia being members. Wasn't Rom also non-starfleet but worked for Miles on the engineering team?

    If you mean that the Dax symbiont wasn't in Starfleet, I suppose one could say that. Although that's kinda splitting hairs because the symbiont doesn't have a seperate identity from the host. Once they're blended they are one in the same. Yes, in season 4 Rom joined the Bajoran Militia and was part of the Engineering team. I didn't count Rom in my last post because I was referring to the senior staff.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Englebert wrote:
    Am I the only one that thinks the officer exchange program in a time of war is really stupid. Especially when you are bringing enemy officers to serve on your ship.

    I mean couldn't they have come up with a better explanation. Like colonies that didn't go back to the old Klingon ways. Or Gorn that wanted to fight against the Klingons that conquered them.

    The explanation when you get them is basically that the Gorn, Orions, and Nausicaans are sending officers to Starfleet because they don't want to be at war with the Federation and they're trying to get out from under Klingon rule. It's a show of good faith to encourage the Federation to liberate them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    bringram wrote: »
    If you mean that the Dax symbiont wasn't in Starfleet, I suppose one could say that. Although that's kinda splitting hairs because the symbiont doesn't have a seperate identity from the host. Once they're blended they are one in the same. Yes, in season 4 Rom joined the Bajoran Militia and was part of the Engineering team. I didn't count Rom in my last post because I was referring to the senior staff.

    I think his point is that Trill is not a Federation world.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    "She was working for them, you were working for her, was anyone on that ship working for me?" I do love that line.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I think his point is that Trill is not a Federation world.

    Which is itself not a definite statement of fact. There are numerous on-screen statements and such which point in either direction. Generally DS9 portayed them as Federation members, while a singular TNG episode implied otherwise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I think his point is that Trill is not a Federation world.

    As far as I know it is. I don't recall them ever saying on screen that it wasn't and in at least of of the books a Trill is President of the Federation.
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