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Feds get MVAM. Can KDF get this?

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Let me just say that I'm very happy that the Feds get this new ship and skill, it's unique and I'm glad you get to have it. I look forward to the challenge they will bring to the battlefield. With the new MVAM and the Gal-X getting some fixes I was hoping maybe Cryptic could turn their attention towards the B'rel.

My suggestion.

1. Remove decloaking from others healing you. B'rel pilots have nothing to do with that and every other cloaking ship stays cloaked while being healed.

2. Allow it to have 2 BoP pets, similar to the Carrier BoP pets but will cloak and uncloak with you or at random. I would also like the Raider Retrofit Captain skill to increase the stats of your BoP pets.

3. Decrease cooldown on Enhanced Battle Cloak by 5 or 10 seconds. (sounds bad but remember, more chance for dropped shields) (Removed from suggestion)

4. Decrease hull by 5k.

5. Decrease size of B'rel by half.


Any suggestions or critiquing is more than welcome.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Where would the B'rel store pets?

    Isn't it 150 meters long?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    1. totally and completely agree with this

    2. maybe

    3. disagreed

    4. agreed

    5. agreed
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Maybe the Klingon can try and steal a Prometheus-class (Feature episode maybe?)

    Just hope Andy TRIBBLE is not on it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    make a Bop/Nausicaan/Gorn hybrid escort (which can split into 3 ships) :O
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Where would the B'rel store pets?

    Isn't it 150 meters long?

    I was thinking more along the lines of calling them in, with a warp in effect.
    Phibrizzo wrote: »
    1. totally and completely agree with this

    2. maybe

    3. disagreed

    4. agreed

    5. agreed

    I agree with taking out #3. I thought about the issue of people cloaking too much.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    cloaking is fun when u in a ship thats as small as that 1
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
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    No.

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Unfortunately the Promtheus was shown with this ability; so they gave it to the Feds.

    Can the Feds get a modified Defiant that can fire and stay cloaked? ;)

    My point? It looks like with ship 'powers' they're stiicking to TV and Feature Film canon; thus, I say the answer would be no. Plus both Saucer Sep and MVAM seem more 'gimmicky' in application (and from what I read MVAM was a pain in the butt and is still being tweaked.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Assuming the support BoPs are not B'rel themselves, and they cloak and stay cloaked within five seconds of the lead B'rel cloaking - until it uncloaks again - I can see this as not necessarily an instant-win upgrade.

    Otherwise I already know how this'll be used. And then lengthy cooldowns are called for.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    what do klingons get? the squishiest target to date!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    So I take it that the retrofit B'rel sucks then?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    forresto wrote: »
    So I take it that the retrofit B'rel sucks then?

    I actually like a lot during some STFs to stealth bomb when someone else holds aggro, or to pop various AoE abilities and get out fast.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
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    No.

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    Could you be more specific with your "no"? Perhaps a reason why.
    Armsman wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Promtheus was shown with this ability; so they gave it to the Feds.

    Can the Feds get a modified Defiant that can fire and stay cloaked? ;)

    My point? It looks like with ship 'powers' they're stiicking to TV and Feature Film canon; thus, I say the answer would be no. Plus both Saucer Sep and MVAM seem more 'gimmicky' in application (and from what I read MVAM was a pain in the butt and is still being tweaked.)

    It's canon to see BoP flying in formation though. End of this video show 3 BoP. This video shows a few different times to see 3 BoP flying in formation.

    It's more canon than a Carrier launching BoP :p
    forresto wrote: »
    So I take it that the retrofit B'rel sucks then?

    Not sucks, just lacking. I think if we made it a little more squishy but give it 2 BoP pets, it could separate it from the other BoP and give it it's own uniqueness.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Armsman wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Promtheus was shown with this ability; so they gave it to the Feds.

    Can the Feds get a modified Defiant that can fire and stay cloaked? ;)
    if you polled the kdf players, i bet you would get an unanimous "yes" to be given for free, to all your ships from T1 on. Even as an addition to other abilities.
    Please Cryptic. Give the Feds the advanced cloak to all thier ships!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    if you polled the kdf players, i bet you would get an unanimous "yes" to be given for free, to all your ships from T1 on. Even as an addition to other abilities.
    Please Cryptic. Give the Feds the advanced cloak to all thier ships!

    Oh yes, I agree with this!

    Cryptic, please give the Defiant refits an exact copy of the B'rel's enhanced battle cloak

    Yes, I play klingon and fed, and hey if feds want the battle cloak, I say let them have the brel cloak. It's enhanced feddies! Enjoy!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Let me just say that I'm very happy that the Feds get this new ship and skill, it's unique and I'm glad you get to have it. I look forward to the challenge they will bring to the battlefield. With the new MVAM and the Gal-X getting some fixes I was hoping maybe Cryptic could turn their attention towards the B'rel.

    My suggestion.

    1. Remove decloaking from others healing you. B'rel pilots have nothing to do with that and every other cloaking ship stays cloaked while being healed.
    Absolutely agree, that is just a stupid nerf no one asked for. People were concerned aboutt he invsibile healer, not invisible people getting healed. And while we're at it - any self-used heal should only decloak for 3 seconds or so.

    2. Allow it to have 2 BoP pets, similar to the Carrier BoP pets but will cloak and uncloak with you or at random. I would also like the Raider Retrofit Captain skill to increase the stats of your BoP pets.
    Sounds meh to me. Unless we want a new change in the game that we can steer a small wing of ships instead of a single vessel. With the terrible NPC abilities and Pet Controls currently available, that doesn't sound all that great.
    3. Decrease cooldown on Enhanced Battle Cloak by 5 or 10 seconds. (sounds bad but remember, more chance for dropped shields) (Removed from suggestion)
    Neutral.
    4. Decrease hull by 5k.
    With 3 and 2 yes, othewise no need.
    5. Decrease size of B'rel by half.
    Is the size of currently?

    Well, probably it is, but then it's not really much of a balance request and more a problem with fitting canon and a problem with the game engine/playability.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    not just to the deviants, every possibly ship the feds have should have that cloak. Even thier shuttles.

    Nothing like sitting there between firing missles with no cloak and no shield. Feds should know what it is like ot fly a coffin.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    Oh yes, I agree with this!

    Cryptic, please give the Defiant refits an exact copy of the B'rel's enhanced battle cloak

    Yes, I play klingon and fed, and hey if feds want the battle cloak, I say let them have the brel cloak. It's enhanced feddies! Enjoy!

    Enhanced Battle Cloak should remain something unique.

    I wouldn't mind if all Cloak worked like Battle Cloak, and maybe only the BoP having a particular short cooldown (say 15 seconds vs 25 seconds) and the B'Rel getting its Enhanced special (or alternatively, just ditch the special feature and just make it a 5 second cooldown at all times, forcing you to manually decloak if you want to fire torps - or disruptors - or heals...)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    What does every healer have in their ability bar? hazard emitters. Just as the wounded defiant cloaks under fire would be the perfect opportunity for haz emits.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I have no problem with all cloakable ships getting Battle Cloak....but two things will need to change.

    1. All BoP get a 10-15 second cooldown to cloak.

    2. B'rel gets a 5 second cooldown to cloak. Remember...that's over 6 seconds of no shields on a 16k hull unspeced with my 5k hull loss request if you uncloak, fire and then cloak.


    As for BoP Pets, I think it should have a formation ability that locks them into V-Formation that fires at the same time as you and gets a bonus to your Attack Patterns. With the ability to toggle both pets with V-Formation and Break-Formation independently.

    *added*

    Just give the pets a slight delay to your attacks and movements while in formation so it looks a little real and not like their all stuck together.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    No thank you! It's a flashy effect but I don't think the Prometheus is worth the trouble. I found I was more effective just as my normal Prommy then the MVAM Prommy. I am not a fan. Also, let the feds have their one, thing. I think both sides can have something special.

    We can't tell the feds we cant have our special carrier, then try and steal thier special MVAM ship. That is just silly nonsense. ANd I would like to keep it this way. We get what we get, they get what they get.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    hmmm i dont think every ship should have a cloak

    i can see it now

    pvp match starts

    everyone cloaks

    both teams can never find each other

    more QQing on the forums
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I would just be happy with self-targeted heals/buffs not declaoking me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The birds of prey pets sounds allot like photonic fleet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Martok42 wrote: »
    No thank you! It's a flashy effect but I don't think the Prometheus is worth the trouble. I found I was more effective just as my normal Prommy then the MVAM Prommy. I am not a fan. Also, let the feds have their one, thing. I think both sides can have something special.

    We can't tell the feds we cant have our special carrier, then try and steal thier special MVAM ship. That is just silly nonsense. ANd I would like to keep it this way. We get what we get, they get what they get.

    I'm not proposing we take their MVAM. There are a few ships now that deploy ships in the KDF, why can't the weakest ship in the game have some kind of support wing? I would also like to add that I have been asking for this idea for some time.
    Roach wrote: »
    I would just be happy with self-targeted heals/buffs not declaoking me.

    Haha that would be nice too!
    Blitzy wrote:
    The birds of prey pets sounds allot like photonic fleet.

    YES! It's just a ship ability instead of a Sci. ability and you can control them :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Considering that BoPs do seem to hunt in packs, especially whenever I encounter them in-game here, I think that giving them an equivalent to MVAM is both fair and appropriate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'm not proposing we take their MVAM. There are a few ships now that deploy ships in the KDF, why can't the weakest ship in the game have some kind of support wing? I would also like to add that I have been asking for this idea for some time.



    Haha that would be nice too!



    YES! It's just a ship ability instead of a Sci. ability and you can control them :D



    I realize that, my point remains. We don't need the equivalent. Why? Because more and more pets are NOT fun! I hate pets in PvP! All these blasted fake ships running around that give you no damage, no points, makes it hard to tab target, get in the way, so annoying! And I don't want a support wing. I want to fly my BoP. Irrelevant.


    Indeed.


    Exactly why we don' need it. Just be a sci in a BoP! Simple as that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    What we need is more KDF vessel (and faction member races) in the game period. Mainly newer GOrn, Orion and Nausician ones.
    We need newer SOTA KDF vessels to represent the upswing in production of the fleet to replace what we lost in the D-war.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Wonderful. So if sci klink gets his hands on this, he can spam mines, scorpion fighters, photonic fleet and two bops, all the while being cloaked + he can escape any time he wants (combat cloak is stressed as it is and you can seriously hurt the cloaking klink only by a very lucky torpedo hit).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Martok42 wrote: »
    I realize that, my point remains. We don't need the equivalent. Why? Because more and more pets are NOT fun! I hate pets in PvP! All these blasted fake ships running around that give you no damage, no points, makes it hard to tab target, get in the way, so annoying! And I don't want a support wing. I want to fly my BoP. Irrelevant.

    Exactly why we don' need it. Just be a sci in a BoP! Simple as that.

    I'm not looking for an equivalent, I'm looking for a way to really separate the B'rel for the other T5 BoP. You say "more and more pets are NOT fun!", well, some people that fly carriers may not agree. I got that you hate pets in PvP but that's not a valid reason not to have it in the game. Plus, no one would make you fly it, go fly your BoP.

    Big difference from what I'm proposing and Photonic Fleet btw.

    Either way, thank you for your input. It's what I was asking for.
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