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Ships of the Line-wheres the love?

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I understand that there is another thread open in regards to a similar topic but I figured id give it some love and try one of my own. well im mainly looking to see if any of the following vessels will get a debut in our lovely game. dont know if maybe theyve been forgotten or just avoided for whatever reasons. hopefully more people can add to this list and we can get some sweet results so i hope that this gains your attention Cryptic ^^

Ship Name-Ship Class-Ship Designation

Dauntless-Galaxy/Explorer-NX 01-A (non fed ship)

Constellation-Galaxy/Explorer-NCC 2800

Newton-Heavy Frigate-NCC 1727

Armstrong-Fast Frigate- NCC 1769

Niagara-Dreadnaught-NCC 58800

Hutzel-Dreadnaught-None

New Orleans-Heavy Destroyer-NCC 65342

Melbourn-Tactical Cruiser-NCC 62043

Kelvin-Scout-NCC 0514

Freedom-Scout-None
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I've never even heard of most of these, and given that many of them have really low registry numbers, they probably do not belong in the game's timeline. That makes me very uninterested.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I've never even heard of most of these, and given that many of them have really low registry numbers, they probably do not belong in the game's timeline. That makes me very uninterested.

    You must have missed all the Mirandas, Constitution and Q forbid the NX-01 then. Your argument for not wanting those is flawed. WE are going to have ships from all over the timeline so you better get used to it ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Hell yeah. T5 connie. WOO!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Hell yeah. T5 connie. WOO!

    Whoooooooo *Forresto waves a banner* T5 T5 :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'd like to see the Dauntless, Constellation, Kelvin, Challenger, and New Orleans

    Most of those kitbashes from Wolf 359 I never liked. The New Orleans and Challenger were actually pretty good though. The Melbourne was just an Excelsior class.

    It's not very likely we'll see any ships from the JJverse soon. The license is held by Paramount exclusively, whereas things from the shows and other movies are held by just CBS or both CBS and Paramount. STO's agreement is with CBS, so they can only get things which CBS holds the rights to. I do hope they'll be able to swing the rights from Paramount eventually, as some of the thigns from the new movie (the Kelvin and Kelvin uniform style) are Prime universe canon now. The rest of the things from the movie were altered by Nero, so they're not Prime Universe canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I agree with the response that most of these do not belong in this time period, I to am uninterested in most of these.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Wheres the love for those old ships without a home?

    in 2409 its in the mens room at the bus station....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You must have missed all the Mirandas, Constitution and Q forbid the NX-01 then. Your argument for not wanting those is flawed. WE are going to have ships from all over the timeline so you better get used to it ;)

    That argument is flawed. I stated that many of the ships you mentioned do not belong. You retorted with "we already have these, so obviously the ones I listed will come out". Not only is that not a response to what I stated, it is also rather arrogant.

    We may already have ships that do not belong (and I'd love to see them go away, too), but that is not a reason to add MORE of the same.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    FOR Q SAKE CAN WE BUILD SOME NEW SHIPS!?!?!


    Seriously, the retro ship phase of this game NEEDS to end. The newest ships in the game are basically Prometheus, Intrepid and Sovereign, and THOSE should be considered a little outdated.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    yes, new ships.......that require no crew........



    I mean seriously? 2409 and they use no unmanned craft? We're in 2011 and we have troves of unmanned craft in the works.........what the duece?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    FOR Q SAKE CAN WE BUILD SOME NEW SHIPS!?!?!


    Seriously, the retro ship phase of this game NEEDS to end. The newest ships in the game are basically Prometheus, Intrepid and Sovereign, and THOSE should be considered a little outdated.

    Technically, the newest are the Star Cruisers, DSSVs, Recon Science Vessels, and Fleet Escorts.

    Also, I disagree, ThomasTheCrypticCat, who helps make the minigames for Cryptic, has a rather good idea that involves adding old ships/costumes/interiors. I'm all for his plan. He wants to have enough parts from other eras in the foundry for players to make missions set in another Star Trek era. Then players will be able to get foundry missions from other eras, and once there are enough, players will be able to level all the way to max as a character from another era of Star Trek. Excellent idea, IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Technically, the newest are the Star Cruisers, DSSVs, Recon Science Vessels, and Fleet Escorts.

    And if we talk canon the Nova and Olympic are newer than the Intrepid, if we include book soft canon the Luna is too (Titan).

    I still want a T5 Constitution refit. That ship is still awesome.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    4giveme wrote: »

    Dauntless-NX 01-A (non fed ship)

    Kelvin-Scout-NCC 0514


    Yes. YES. A billion times yes.
    I would drop major bucks to get both if that's what it takes. Seriously. Loved' the Dauntless since I first saw it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nasedolyne wrote: »
    Yes. YES. A billion times yes.
    I would drop major bucks to get both if that's what it takes. Seriously. Loved' the Dauntless since I first saw it.

    Okay, before we get any fake Federation ships or ones from Abrams Star Trek Mod for A New Hope could we get this one? I think it was in Ships of the Line too. And the model is already partly ingame,:D

    http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=26713
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    K-Tar wrote:
    Okay, before we get any fake Federation ships or ones from Abrams Star Trek Mod for A New Hope could we get this one? I think it was in Ships of the Line too. And the model is already partly ingame,:D

    http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=26713

    Actually, I agree with this too. Damn.

    ...so many ships, so little time/money/ship slots in game :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    K-Tar wrote:
    Okay, before we get any fake Federation ships or ones from Abrams Star Trek Mod for A New Hope could we get this one? I think it was in Ships of the Line too. And the model is already partly ingame,:D

    http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=26713

    I love the NX-01 refit. I wish Enterprise didn't get cancelled. It may have sucked in earlier seasons, but it was just starting to get good when they cancelled it. It would have been awesome if that design got used.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i hope theyll give us a chance to make our own costumes and relate them to one of the etablished bo/shipsetups.

    everyone has his/her own favorit ships. to implement ALL of them is nearly imposssible. this is not armada2 or such. the ships that are implemented until so far all have their place. either through special abilities or through new console/bo variations.

    while i think more ships is alsways better than few, i think there much more important things at the moment than to implement even more ships (esp cruiser on fed side ^^)

    but im sure theyll let us make our own costumes some day. (when they got enough money by selling shipscostumes via cstore ^^) cause most of the time i sit in my ship, and it can be very boring very soon, staring at the same ship all the time. so someday shipcostumization will catch char-customization.

    but one thing they should do i think: get to gether those t5 skills for ships of a role. so we have just ONE t5 sci ship skill, not 2 ... it would enhance the game pretty much, if i could freely choose from the t5 and t5.5 ships of a role ( not sci/cruiser, but the different SCI ships) and dont have to pay 30k merits or tokens just for switching between dssV and recon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    That argument is flawed. I stated that many of the ships you mentioned do not belong. You retorted with "we already have these, so obviously the ones I listed will come out". Not only is that not a response to what I stated, it is also rather arrogant.

    We may already have ships that do not belong (and I'd love to see them go away, too), but that is not a reason to add MORE of the same.

    Your opinion on what already IS hardly weighs on your argument now. Since this was allowed to begin with and will not be reversed ever, my argument over yours is valid and thus I think you are arrogant to think that, by antagonising me, will get you brownie points.

    My original statement was not meant to be rude Mr Snappy. Just thought I remind you that we already crossed that line since launch. In essence I actualy agree with your POSITION, but there is nothing we can do about it ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I love the NX-01 refit. I wish Enterprise didn't get cancelled. It may have sucked in earlier seasons, but it was just starting to get good when they cancelled it. It would have been awesome if that design got used.

    That's the problem. Shows are not allowed to suck in the beginning. Firefly was really good and still got canceled, Crusade wasn't bad and getting better rapidly still, canceled. If it hadn't been a Star Trek show Enterprise would have been shut down after the first half of the first season. Because it was really bad.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    K-Tar wrote:
    That's the problem. Shows are not allowed to suck in the beginning. Firefly was really good and still got canceled, Crusade wasn't bad and getting better rapidly still, canceled. If it hadn't been a Star Trek show Enterprise would have been shut down after the first half of the first season. Because it was really bad.

    I agree, the first two seasons were terrible. Barely any character development, lousy plot arcs, etc. Things started to get good in Season 3, and they got even better in Season 4, when they actually started the groudwork for the formation of the Federation. It's too bad that it was too little, too late. It would have been nice if the fans had started watching again when things got good in the 4th season. The show might have been saved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    K-Tar wrote:
    That's the problem. Shows are not allowed to suck in the beginning. Firefly was really good and still got canceled, Crusade wasn't bad and getting better rapidly still, canceled. If it hadn't been a Star Trek show Enterprise would have been shut down after the first half of the first season. Because it was really bad.

    Never really liked firefly although the chemistry between the characters was good. I suppose it was never given the chance to develop any. The movie that followed (which a lot of shows do not get) managed to tie some loose ends and at least gave it a very Trek "second star the the right" type of finale. Crusade was ok but lacked the deep character interaction and drama of B5 that made it so stellar.

    Enterprise for me was bad because the characters were all colourless. I liked none of them from the beggining and they only saving grace was the Xindi plot and its great battle scenes. Despite that, many people saw potential in it, and thus whether we like it or not its part of canon.

    In terms of the game people should feel free to experience it from any angle they want (TOS, TNG etc) without bias to a specific era. If the plan was to only allow ships ouside the established designs to emulate a future direction that decision would have be enforced from the beggining. At the moment too many features to be implemented and C Store material is tied to the established designs and the like making it impossible to draw any lines unless Cryptic makes servers that accomodate different timelines (or instances even).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'll take a New Orleans as a top tier escort. Cruisers have Galaxy, and Sci's have Nebula. New Orleans would give escort captains a ship with a TNG look to it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'll take a New Orleans as a top tier escort. Cruisers have Galaxy, and Sci's have Nebula. New Orleans would give escort captains a ship with a TNG look to it.

    That actually sounds like a really good idea.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    That argument is flawed. I stated that many of the ships you mentioned do not belong. You retorted with "we already have these, so obviously the ones I listed will come out". Not only is that not a response to what I stated, it is also rather arrogant.

    We may already have ships that do not belong (and I'd love to see them go away, too), but that is not a reason to add MORE of the same.

    The reason to '...add more of the same...' is because people playing the game (other than you) want them, and are willing to pay/grind to get them... Economics from Cryptic's POV..., is the driving force, essentially.
    K-Tar wrote:
    Okay, before we get any fake Federation ships or ones from Abrams Star Trek Mod for A New Hope could we get this one? I think it was in Ships of the Line too. And the model is already partly in game,:D

    http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=26713

    Me Tooo... I want ..., I want... :D
    I agree, the first two seasons were terrible. Barely any character development, lousy plot arcs, etc. Things started to get good in Season 3, and they got even better in Season 4, when they actually started the groundwork for the formation of the Federation. It's too bad that it was too little, too late. It would have been nice if the fans had started watching again when things got good in the 4th season. The show might have been saved.

    It was too late by then because UPN didn't want it anymore...,

    ...they were already focusing on 'Other' Demographics by then and the big boss (Moon-Face) is in no way, shape, or form a Star Trek fan, so he killed it.

    I like ENTERPRISE and lately have been re-watching the episodes..., when I'm not playing STO. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    castogere wrote: »
    Wheres the love for those old ships without a home?

    in 2409 its in the mens room at the bus station....

    "For a good time, call Connie. The workhorse of the fleet ;)"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    K-Tar wrote:
    And if we talk canon the Nova and Olympic are newer than the Intrepid, if we include book soft canon the Luna is too (Titan).

    I still want a T5 Constitution refit. That ship is still awesome.:D

    well on that you need to watch the Voyager episode "Equinox". the Voyager when it left the alpha quadrant was the top of the line and one of the newest ships there. the Equinox captain, captain Ransom and his crew were lost in the Delta quadrant for 10 years the Voyager at the time was only lost for 5. so the Nova was out well before the Intrepid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    That argument is flawed. I stated that many of the ships you mentioned do not belong. You retorted with "we already have these, so obviously the ones I listed will come out". Not only is that not a response to what I stated, it is also rather arrogant.

    We may already have ships that do not belong (and I'd love to see them go away, too), but that is not a reason to add MORE of the same.

    You know given the galaxy class is 50 years old in the STO timeline, why shouldn't it "go away" too?

    My point? If you REALLY want the 2409 era - it means NONE of the ships from ENT TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, etc would be front line ships (and certainly NOT top tier vessels as the newest design from the 24th century era series is 30 years old.)

    So, the next time you're pulling out your Galaxy or Defiant, or Intrepid, realize that if Cryptic STUCK to a 25th century time. (And don't even get me started on Starfleet allowing 40 year old uniform designs in the 25th century.)

    So, please, get off your canon horse with regard to "ships that don't belong in the STO era" nonsense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    I like ENTERPRISE and lately have been re-watching the episodes..., when I'm not playing STO. :D

    I've been doing the same thing. The only difference is that I've been watching Enterprise.....WHILE PLAYING STO!!!!!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh yeah....I would love to have a T5 Constitution....and the refit movie version as well. Oh that would be so awesome. Such beautiful ships. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    jam062307 wrote: »
    I've been doing the same thing. The only difference is that I've been watching Enterprise.....WHILE PLAYING STO!!!!!!!

    If you can watch them in sequence you get so much more out of it. I didn't fully appreciate Enterprise until I started watching them in order. It really turned out to be a good series with nice characters and very interesting personal dynamic between the characters.


    At some point I would like to get Archer's Enterprise, but not yet. Saving myself for TOS later this month.
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