Each time you get promoted you get a new ship. That's nice, but if I like the name of my first ship and want to have my second ship have the same name, I can't. I would like to be able to do like the Enterprise and have each ship have the same name, but with an A, B, C, D designation. Why can't we keep the name of the ship? Just curious.
Technically is it the same reason why you cannot have Exampleman@Exampleaccount twice on the same account.
You can see a dozen different @Name with the same Name (Exampleman@Abalon; Exampleman@Bebulon, Exampleman@Ceculon) but not on the same account - and this simply has to do with the way we store your data on your account.
But you are saying you cannot name a ship - A ; - B ? Because I have seen players do this and have no problems with it.
I just discharge my old ship and then rename it. Odds are that I won't be flying it again anyway. But I understand that most people like to hang on to their ships and have a certain attachment to them. It would be nice to not have to discharge old ships to keep the name without adding the Aplpha or Beta prefix.
Technically, you can name your new ship the same name as your old ship. However, when you try to give it the same registration number and name as your previous ship, that's when the game has an issue (even if you try to add in an A, B, or C at the end of it).
Solution: Just decomission your old ship.
Technically is it the same reason why you cannot have Exampleman@Exampleaccount twice on the same account.
You can see a dozen different @Name with the same Name (Exampleman@Abalon; Exampleman@Bebulon, Exampleman@Ceculon) but not on the same account - and this simply has to do with the way we store your data on your account.
But you are saying you cannot name a ship - A ; - B ? Because I have seen players do this and have no problems with it.
Thing is, you can't do it the authentic way, because -A and -B are supposed to belong to the ships registry.
But as someone just mentioned, you can't use the -A or -B registry additions to give ships the same name and registry.
Thing is, you can't do it the authentic way, because -A and -B are supposed to belong to the ships registry.
But as someone just mentioned, you can't use the -A or -B registry additions to give ships the same name and registry.
Each time you get promoted you get a new ship. That's nice, but if I like the name of my first ship and want to have my second ship have the same name, I can't. I would like to be able to do like the Enterprise and have each ship have the same name, but with an A, B, C, D designation. Why can't we keep the name of the ship? Just curious.
You need to discharge or rename your previous ship in order to name your next ship with the same name.
In Star Trek, they never named a ship with the same name as another until the old one was decommissioned, lost, or destroyed. For Example:
USS Enterprise NCC-1701: Destroyed in ST:III
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A: Decommissioned after ST:VI
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B: (?) Decommissioned
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C: Destroyed
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D: Destroyed
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E: Presumed lost with Captain Data
But you are saying you cannot name a ship - A ; - B ? Because I have seen players do this and have no problems with it.
No I meant the same name. I can add the A or B to any ship name, but if I have another ship with the same name, then I can't add an A or B. It seems the suggestions here on deleting the old ship with the name seems the only option. I just wish it weren't so.
No I meant the same name. I can add the A or B to any ship name, but if I have another ship with the same name, then I can't add an A or B. It seems the suggestions here on deleting the old ship with the name seems the only option. I just wish it weren't so.
It's a simple database issue, as Wish pointed out.
It's unfortunate that they're tied to us under the ship's name instead of the registry number. But accepting that they're stored under the name, it's understandable why we can't have two ships with the same name.
But you are saying you cannot name a ship - A ; - B ? Because I have seen players do this and have no problems with it.
You have to incorporate the dash and letter into the name though... such as "Nautilus-A" or "Nautilus-B" etc. I could be wrong, but what I believe the OP is suggesting is that registry numbers be used to further designate ships as well... meaning we can have multiple ships with the same name as follows;
Name Registry
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000 - A
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000 - B
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000 - C
and so on without having to name them as follows;
Name Registry
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000
U.S.S. Nautilus-A - NCC-91000 - A
U.S.S. Nautilus-B - NCC-91000 - B
U.S.S. Nautilus-C - NCC-91000 - C
You guys are right, I blame my brain not yet being properly marinated in coffee. Eeerr, hot chocolate, yes.
Sadly the technical side of matters (I double-read what I wrote) stands - at least as far as it had been explained to me, so an easy change is not something I can directly promise. I'll bring it up with the team.
*passes tasty cappucino with chocolate powder on*
Thanks to the Wish!!! :cool:
While the techs do their magics (if it's possibile to change the way the datas are linked to the ship... changing a database key usualy is a tricky thing... ) it could be great to enable a little improvement to the workaround of adding the "letter" to the name: now you cannot add a
" - A" (space minus space letter) to your ship's name as the system allows only
" -A" (space.minus.letter) and - if I remember correctly -
"- A" (minus.space.letter).
Having the double space before and after the line could improve the way it looks without having to change the way the datas are stored...
You guys are right, I blame my brain not yet being properly marinated in coffee. Eeerr, hot chocolate, yes.
Sadly the technical side of matters (I double-read what I wrote) stands - at least as far as it had been explained to me, so an easy change is not something I can directly promise. I'll bring it up with the team.
This is greatly appreciated. Hopefully, something can be done down the line.
I know you are busy, but if you have the time could you read through this thread, and let me know if the devs are aware of this issue.. and hopefully get some confirmation on whether or not they intend on working it out?
I can't give 100% confirmation, but I'm fairly certain Bad Things Happen if two ships, two Bridge Officers, etc. *belonging to the same character* are named the same thing. Unfortunately, the registry number is part of something other than the name as far as the game's concerned, so, to mix examples:
U.S.S. Bob NCC-1701-A
U.S.S. Bob NCC-1701-B
The two can't coexist (as far as I understand) because they're still both recognized by the game as "U.S.S. Bob."
So if I'm understanding your concern correctly, I think it's working as designed. Sorry for any disappointment.
So, according to Terramak this is working as intended. However, I do still wish that the naming could be changed to pull from the registry number.
When you get a new ship, don't change its name. Change your old ship's name. I have 3 USS-Renowns right now. One is called Renown-Beta. One is called Renown-Gamma. One is called Renown.
When I want to take Renown-Beta out, I rename Renown "Renown-Delta" and rename Beta Renown.
In the case of person wanting to just move the name form the current ship to the new one, spend the energy to rename the current, and then use the free rename to apply the desired name to the new ship.
Direphoenix summed it up - there's never more than one Enterprise NCC-1701 in active service at any one time, or any other name/registry. The -A/-B/-C etc. suffixes are purely to denote which ship of that name it is - not to differentiate between several active ships.
So yeah - if you've got a ship called the 'USS-Spacemonkey, NCC-90210', and want to call your new ship the 'USS-Spacemonkey, NCC-90210-A', you've got to either re-name or decommission the older ship, as it's impossible to have two ships share the same designation (remember that the -A suffix doesn't count as part of the registry, as doesn't using the 'NX' prefix instead of the 'NCC').
When you get a new ship, don't change its name. Change your old ship's name. I have 3 USS-Renowns right now. One is called Renown-Beta. One is called Renown-Gamma. One is called Renown.
When I want to take Renown-Beta out, I rename Renown "Renown-Delta" and rename Beta Renown.
In the case of person wanting to just move the name form the current ship to the new one, spend the energy to rename the current, and then use the free rename to apply the desired name to the new ship.
Simple.
Two problems with this;
It costs in-game funds to continually rename your ship. Only the first rename is free, so anyone who changes ships often is shelling out funds for it.
NPCs in the game will refer to your ship name. If you decide not to rename ships, the NPC chat will show as "Renown-BETA" instead of just "Renown". That can be immersion breaking.
Thing is, you can't do it the authentic way, because -A and -B are supposed to belong to the ships registry.
But as someone just mentioned, you can't use the -A or -B registry additions to give ships the same name and registry.
I guess I will have to check my ships when I log back into the game on Thursday, because I DO have my ships named "***-A" and "***-B". If I recall correctly, I was even able to use the suffix letter on the registry number according to canon. I ALMOST guarantee that I'm right...I won't be back in-game until then, so for now I'm only "almost certain".
EDIT: Now that I made it all the way through the posts, I am doing it the way suggested above, by adding the letter to both the name AND the registry number. Sorry...that's what I get for posting before completely reading.
I guess I will have to check my ships when I log back into the game on Thursday, because I DO have my ships named "***-A" and "***-B". If I recall correctly, I was even able to use the suffix letter on the registry number according to canon. I ALMOST guarantee that I'm right...I won't be back in-game until then, so for now I'm only "almost certain".
You can certainly name your ships that way.
The point people were trying to make is that it's not canon to add the suffix to the name. Only the registry.
The point people were trying to make is that it's not canon to add the suffix to the name. Only the registry.
You can do this, there is a box on the rename screen where you can add a letter to the registry. But you still have to rename or decommission your original starship because you can't have two ships (or two BO's) with the same name under the same character... Which is pretty much to canon, there has never been a case where 2 ships of the same name has been in active service at the same time.
You can do this, there is a box on the rename screen where you can add a letter to the registry. But you still have to rename or decommission your original starship because you can't have two ships (or two BO's) with the same name under the same character... Which is pretty much to canon, there has never been a case where 2 ships of the same name has been in active service at the same time.
You guys are right, I blame my brain not yet being properly marinated in coffee. Eeerr, hot chocolate, yes.
Sadly the technical side of matters (I double-read what I wrote) stands - at least as far as it had been explained to me, so an easy change is not something I can directly promise. I'll bring it up with the team.
Couldn't you make the letter part of the name, internally?
I believe it costs merits, not EC to change a ship name. Simply lower the merit costs of changing a ship's name; either across the board or by tier. Merits are dear to a low level character and he probably can't afford to rename each ship as he ranks up but merits become trivial at the top rank. For now, making it easier for lower level characters to rename their old ships lets them keep them and still keep their favorite name for their new ship. The "real" ship name should be your top level one because that's the one you don't grow out of like the lower tier ships. I quit using my favorite names on my Miranda because I couldn't afford the merits to rename them 20 hours of gameplay later when I got my tier 2 ship. Making it much easier to rename the lower level ships would be an easy fix for the problem, at least until they decide to add the registry to the ship's name for game purposes.
I believe it costs merits, not EC to change a ship name. Simply lower the merit costs of changing a ship's name; either across the board or by tier. Merits are dear to a low level character and he probably can't afford to rename each ship as he ranks up but merits become trivial at the top rank. For now, making it easier for lower level characters to rename their old ships lets them keep them and still keep their favorite name for their new ship. The "real" ship name should be your top level one because that's the one you don't grow out of like the lower tier ships. I quit using my favorite names on my Miranda because I couldn't afford the merits to rename them 20 hours of gameplay later when I got my tier 2 ship. Making it much easier to rename the lower level ships would be an easy fix for the problem, at least until they decide to add the registry to the ship's name for game purposes.
You're right.. it is Merits, I think if it was EC it might be easier to deal with.. but you're right, merits are too had to come by at the lower tiers.
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You can see a dozen different @Name with the same Name (Exampleman@Abalon; Exampleman@Bebulon, Exampleman@Ceculon) but not on the same account - and this simply has to do with the way we store your data on your account.
But you are saying you cannot name a ship - A ; - B ? Because I have seen players do this and have no problems with it.
Solution: Just decomission your old ship.
Thing is, you can't do it the authentic way, because -A and -B are supposed to belong to the ships registry.
But as someone just mentioned, you can't use the -A or -B registry additions to give ships the same name and registry.
Example:
U.S.S. Gibraltar, NCC-99256
U.S.S. Gibraltar, NCC-99256-A
This does not work.
It would be nice if we could do this
You need to discharge or rename your previous ship in order to name your next ship with the same name.
In Star Trek, they never named a ship with the same name as another until the old one was decommissioned, lost, or destroyed. For Example:
USS Enterprise NCC-1701: Destroyed in ST:III
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A: Decommissioned after ST:VI
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B: (?) Decommissioned
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C: Destroyed
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D: Destroyed
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E: Presumed lost with Captain Data
No I meant the same name. I can add the A or B to any ship name, but if I have another ship with the same name, then I can't add an A or B. It seems the suggestions here on deleting the old ship with the name seems the only option. I just wish it weren't so.
I'd have to agree that it would be nice if it worked that way. Preserving the Enterprise tradition, y'know.
It's a simple database issue, as Wish pointed out.
It's unfortunate that they're tied to us under the ship's name instead of the registry number. But accepting that they're stored under the name, it's understandable why we can't have two ships with the same name.
You have to incorporate the dash and letter into the name though... such as "Nautilus-A" or "Nautilus-B" etc. I could be wrong, but what I believe the OP is suggesting is that registry numbers be used to further designate ships as well... meaning we can have multiple ships with the same name as follows;
Name Registry
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000 - A
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000 - B
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000 - C
and so on without having to name them as follows;
Name Registry
U.S.S. Nautilus - NCC-91000
U.S.S. Nautilus-A - NCC-91000 - A
U.S.S. Nautilus-B - NCC-91000 - B
U.S.S. Nautilus-C - NCC-91000 - C
Subtle, but distinct. Maybe if you let us use suffix designators to distinguish ship names, wishstone?
Sadly the technical side of matters (I double-read what I wrote) stands - at least as far as it had been explained to me, so an easy change is not something I can directly promise.
Thanks to the Wish!!! :cool:
While the techs do their magics (if it's possibile to change the way the datas are linked to the ship... changing a database key usualy is a tricky thing...
" - A" (space minus space letter) to your ship's name as the system allows only
" -A" (space.minus.letter) and - if I remember correctly -
"- A" (minus.space.letter).
Having the double space before and after the line could improve the way it looks without having to change the way the datas are stored...
This is greatly appreciated. Hopefully, something can be done down the line.
He replied with:
So, according to Terramak this is working as intended. However, I do still wish that the naming could be changed to pull from the registry number.
What I have done since that exchange was...
U.S.S. Ship Name NCC-90000
U.S.S. Ship Name-A NCC-90000-A
U.S.S. Ship Name-B NCC-90000-B
No it isn't accurate.. but it does work, and it won't cost you EC (at an ever increasing cost) to rename your ships as you level.
Saith, and Jolan'tru
When you get a new ship, don't change its name. Change your old ship's name. I have 3 USS-Renowns right now. One is called Renown-Beta. One is called Renown-Gamma. One is called Renown.
When I want to take Renown-Beta out, I rename Renown "Renown-Delta" and rename Beta Renown.
In the case of person wanting to just move the name form the current ship to the new one, spend the energy to rename the current, and then use the free rename to apply the desired name to the new ship.
Simple.
So yeah - if you've got a ship called the 'USS-Spacemonkey, NCC-90210', and want to call your new ship the 'USS-Spacemonkey, NCC-90210-A', you've got to either re-name or decommission the older ship, as it's impossible to have two ships share the same designation (remember that the -A suffix doesn't count as part of the registry, as doesn't using the 'NX' prefix instead of the 'NCC').
Two problems with this;
I guess I will have to check my ships when I log back into the game on Thursday, because I DO have my ships named "***-A" and "***-B". If I recall correctly, I was even able to use the suffix letter on the registry number according to canon. I ALMOST guarantee that I'm right...I won't be back in-game until then, so for now I'm only "almost certain".
EDIT: Now that I made it all the way through the posts, I am doing it the way suggested above, by adding the letter to both the name AND the registry number. Sorry...that's what I get for posting before completely reading.
You can certainly name your ships that way.
The point people were trying to make is that it's not canon to add the suffix to the name. Only the registry.
Yeah, I figured that out after I read the WHOLE thread...LOL
You can do this, there is a box on the rename screen where you can add a letter to the registry. But you still have to rename or decommission your original starship because you can't have two ships (or two BO's) with the same name under the same character... Which is pretty much to canon, there has never been a case where 2 ships of the same name has been in active service at the same time.
Yep. I didn't dispute any of that.
Couldn't you make the letter part of the name, internally?
So the ship is stored as "Enterprise-D".
But the "-D" only displays in certain contexts.
I still believe if the name included the registry number as part of the entire name, it would solve the issue.
U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D <--- All of that should be read as the name, thus:
USS Enterprise NCC-1701
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
Would all be accurate, even by account. How difficult would it be to accomplish this?
You're right.. it is Merits, I think if it was EC it might be easier to deal with.. but you're right, merits are too had to come by at the lower tiers.
Saith