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Recently I read one of the devs fire and forget type posts where they said that all of the uniforms were getting a bit of a fix so that blacks could actually be black instead of dark grey. I had asked if they were going to include the WoK uniforms in that, but as I said, it was a fire and forget type post.

So the patch was installed and I went into the tailor to find that the black had been fixed on the top half of my uniform (TNG movie) to be very dark and yet the WoK trousers are still medium grey. So I switched to the WoK top to check that, too and saw that the edging also can't be black, something made even more obvious when you add the WoK belt which can be made to be black.

Can the WoK uniforms be caught up with the rest and have its blacks actually be black? (And have the colour bleed around the collar and shoulder strap fixed?)

Colour bleed: Back

Colour bleed: Front

Also, is there a reason why the shoulder / left sleeve rank insignia are still unselectable? Is it because of the licensing thing? (I remember one of the devs saying that, even though it's free in the C-Store, it can't be added into the standard uniform line up because of licensing. Something contractual that said it was going to be a C-Store item.)

Additional picture of the sleeve and shoulder rank insignia and the "pips and squeeks" representing years of service.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The TWOK uniform was a promotional giveaway, it was a TWOK Admiral uniform not a uniform set. The printers didn't put random codes on the inserts for the DVD sets so everyone got the code off the internet and Cryptic added it to the Cstore, but it still stays exactly what it was in the promotion, a TWOK admirals uniform until contracts or agreements expire. We just have to wait and hope.


    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS405US405&q=Star+trek+DVD+admiral+uniform+code+star+trek+online
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    CapnBludd wrote: »
    The TWOK uniform was a promotional giveaway, it was a TWOK Admiral uniform not a uniform set. The printers didn't put random codes on the inserts for the DVD sets so everyone got the code off the internet and Cryptic added it to the Cstore, but it still stays exactly what it was in the promotion, a TWOK admirals uniform until contracts or agreements expire. We just have to wait and hope.

    The problem is: It never was a TWOK admiral's uniform. It always was a Star Trek V+ captain's uniform.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    IMHO about the only REALLY major problem with the uniform is the finish around the back neck area. There is an obvious BAD "seam" that REALLY needs to be cleaned up ... PLEASE ? If I get the chance I'll get a screene for ya .. in the mean time if someone else can beat me to it please do. Most of the art work is really out standing .. .. but IMHO this is simply an oversight that needs a little "clean up". I'm certain it is an EASY fix. (yes ... I have done texturing on models )

    Thanks
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The new separated belt could use some fixing. The ring on the belt buckle isn't thick enough. A would love to see selectable ranks on the TWOK as well as the gold piping to make the admiral's version.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    TWoK uniform cant even have its ranks set, it looks pretty good otherwise. a mid 24th century variant would be nice to see too, it had some slight differences
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    There is so much that needs to be done to truly bring the WOK uniform up to wear it should be. Here's a list of fixes from this thread of mine asking for WOK duty uniform fixes, as well as the rest of the WOK era unifrom variants:

    2270's-2350's Uniform
    Service Jacket Improvements
    • Make the matierial thicker, it's too thin now.
    • Make it look like it's a jacket. Right now it looks like the Jacket and the Turtleneck below are the same piece.
    • Better cloth type
    • Better Badge
    • Customizable Ranks
    • Add a Service Ribbon option
    • Add a Yeoman's Honor Cord option
    • Add a Crew Neck option
    • Add a TNG Commbadge option
    • Add a no-collar option
    Enlisted Variant
    Vest Variant
    Bomber's Jacket and Engineer's Vest Variants (comes as one pack, though either piece can be used independently or together)
    Field Variant
    Excursion Coat
    EV Suit
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    CapnBludd wrote: »
    The TWOK uniform was a promotional giveaway, it was a TWOK Admiral uniform not a uniform set. The printers didn't put random codes on the inserts for the DVD sets so everyone got the code off the internet and Cryptic added it to the Cstore, but it still stays exactly what it was in the promotion, a TWOK admirals uniform until contracts or agreements expire. We just have to wait and hope.


    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS405US405&q=Star+trek+DVD+admiral+uniform+code+star+trek+online

    I suppose the contract was broken right out of the gates, then, since it was never an admiral uniform: It has the captain railroad track on the shoulder strap instead of the admiral starburst and does not have the gold piping around the flap of the jacket like the movie admirals.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Soooo...

    Any devs feel like commenting on this? :3
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Soooo...

    Any devs feel like commenting on this? :3

    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.

    Can you at least point it out to the people who have costuming responsibilities? Especially the awful colourbleed around the collar and shoulderstrap and the blacks being grey?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    And on top of this, let me express how dissapointed I am with the WoK uniform. they were great, bearable...until the belt got messed up. And man, it was messed up. The whole uniform looks off now, yeah the buckle is nice...but the belts size, thickness...shinyness..its all so so wrong. I was using these on all my crew until this got changed and I probably wont ever use the WoK uniforms again until they are reverted back or the belt completely redone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.

    Please ask them. I very much want my WOK uniform improved and I'd love a WOK pack. I want my scotty bomber jacket and engineering vest!!!:D

    I agree about the phaser as well. The assault phaser was the coolest of all the handheld phasers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.

    That would be awesome...especially if it was grouped with TMP Connie Interior and Bridge. and while we are at it, have a T-5 Connie Refit Replica added. I'd spend 2000 atari tokens on that!!!! But only if it had the ship!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.

    Would be awesome to have a weapons, uniform and interior pack for these new ships :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.

    I've been hungry to go full tilt Jack Crusher/Enterprise-C with the uniforms ever since they made the belt removable. One thing I'd REALLY like aside from some clean-up is the ability to remove the collar altogether and use the TNG combadge.

    I doubt I'd use that for my crew, personally, but along with Season 1 TNG uniforms, the era between the end of Undiscovered Country and TNG Season 3 is one we can't touch at all for time travel missions or stories about crew lost in suspended animation, etc.

    Which drives me NUTS because it's probably the least documented era of Trek history aside from maybe Garth of Izar's day.

    And a TON of what I want to play with are those gaps. I have a Foundry mission planned out dealing with World War III and the era BEFORE Zefram Cochrane's First Contact. It's not time travel based but one of the prime features there is that I can take Enterprise jumpsuits and use them as reasonable astronaut/air force uniforms, with a little recoloring.

    Ever since that belt got removed, I've just been DROOLING over this prospect of a Stargazer/Enterprise-C era ship turning up... and I'm just a collar (and a combadge for a slightly later era) away now. So tantalizing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.

    We could always force the issue by doing an episode that's set in that era. :P
    (But, not being a producer, I don't get to make those calls.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    jheinig wrote: »
    We could always force the issue by doing an episode that's set in that era. :P
    (But, not being a producer, I don't get to make those calls.)

    I like the way you think.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'll comment to say that this era and these uniforms are my absolute favorite in Trek history, for what that's worth.

    I'd love to see a "Star Trek VI" pack complete with all of the options shikamaru317 mentioned and the cool Type II phasers they had back then too. These would be great for flashback/time travel Foundry missions now that we have the Excelsior and are getting the Oberth and Ambassador soon.

    But I don't have anything to do with the character art stuff, so I have no idea if it's on anyone's schedule. If it's not, I'm sure we'll get to it eventually.


    Your mission if you choose to except it is to stick a post it note with the above mentioned idea along with the Enterprise-C variation on the costume Dev's monitor so he can keep this idea close to his heart! Upon your completion check in Drake for your mission rewards.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    jheinig wrote: »
    We could always force the issue by doing an episode that's set in that era. :P
    (But, not being a producer, I don't get to make those calls.)

    You could force the issue on a few clean-ups by shoehorning, say, a hologram from that era in, right?

    One thing I've been thinking about (and it never occured to me how devious it would be for you guys to do) is to work a sortof wax museum/diorama into a mission. This is one of those things I've only avoided doing on Tribble because it would be a pain to have to remake on Holodeck.

    Now... The sneaky thing here is that if you had one of those diorama displays take place in the WoK era, it would probably free up some budget resources for cleaning up those uniforms and developing more but it would also be something that wouldn't be quite so pushy because Dstahl could still say, "Just dress everybody in the existing Wrath of Khan jacket and we'll fix it down the road."

    There are enough eras that a hallway lined with these kind of museum exhibits would be doable and, I think, visually stunning.

    Of course, now it won't be a surprise when I do it in the Foundry but still... I think something LIKE that would be great because it would give Dan the OPTION to schedule clean-ups using the Featured Mission budget but it would give him the OPTION to triage what needs cleaned up most if you throw a massive hallway full of still scenes from different Trek eras in.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The perk to the museum idea is that it could be worked in almost anywhere.

    I can't think of a single mission or environment that you guys have done since the start of the Devidian series where you couldn't have shoehorned in a kind of Madame Tussauds-type exhibition somewhere in the course of the mission.

    EDIT: Maybe not "The Vault" but any of the rest could have had holographic displays of pivotal historical moments.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    jheinig wrote: »
    We could always force the issue by doing an episode that's set in that era. :P
    (But, not being a producer, I don't get to make those calls.)

    I really would like a time travel episode set in that period. Very little is known about those events. We have two Enterprises set in that time period and yet little is known about either Enterprise. I hope you guys decide to do it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Which drives me NUTS because it's probably the least documented era of Trek history aside from maybe Garth of Izar's day.

    This. There's the Tomed Incident, the Cardassian War, the Tzenkethi War, conflict with the Tholians, first contact with the Ferengi, etc. etc.

    From the Klingon side, there's the fallout from the Khitomer Accords and the big question of exactly how the Klingon Empire recovered from the Praxis Disaster.
    jheinig wrote: »
    We could always force the issue by doing an episode that's set in that era. :P
    (But, not being a producer, I don't get to make those calls.)

    Well, you can count me on the vote tally for that idea at any rate. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I really would like a time travel episode set in that period. Very little is known about those events. We have two Enterprises set in that time period and yet little is known about either Enterprise. I hope you guys decide to do it.

    I think you'd have a remarkably easy time getting Harriman's likeness and/or Alan Ruck's involvement. The guy is a FAN of the first order and I also gather he regrets that Harriman was treated as such a complete joke and would JUMP at the chance to play a more competent, seasoned Harriman.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    There is so much that needs to be done to truly bring the WOK uniform up to wear it should be. Here's a list of fixes from this thread of mine asking for WOK duty uniform fixes, as well as the rest of the WOK era unifrom variants:

    2270's-2350's Uniform
    Service Jacket Improvements
    • Make the matierial thicker, it's too thin now.
    • Make it look like it's a jacket. Right now it looks like the Jacket and the Turtleneck below are the same piece.
    • Better cloth type
    • Better Badge
    • Customizable Ranks
    • Add a Service Ribbon option
    • Add a Yeoman's Honor Cord option
    • Add a Crew Neck option
    • Add a TNG Commbadge option
    • Add a no-collar option
    Enlisted Variant
    Vest Variant
    Bomber's Jacket and Engineer's Vest Variants (comes as one pack, though either piece can be used independently or together)
    Field Variant
    Excursion Coat
    EV Suit

    Outstanding work sir!
    Cryptic, you need to listen to this guy!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    jheinig wrote: »
    We could always force the issue by doing an episode that's set in that era. :P
    (But, not being a producer, I don't get to make those calls.)
    Well, you can count me on the vote tally for that idea at any rate. :)

    Requests for VOs from George Takei, Tim Russ, and/or Kelsey Grammer incoming...

    ...oops I guess there went the budget.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I think you'd have a remarkably easy time getting Harriman's likeness and/or Alan Ruck's involvement. The guy is a FAN of the first order and I also gather he regrets that Harriman was treated as such a complete joke and would JUMP at the chance to play a more competent, seasoned Harriman.

    Alan Ruck rocks (huge Ferris Bueller fan). And I agree, they made him look like a total joke. I'd love it if they could get voice work from Ruck and have a time travel mission with the Enterprise B. Please make it so devs!!! ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I would also like to see the phasers from TMP/TWOK as well as tricorders from that era. I have one character with TMP uniform and another with TWOK uniform. Matching props would be very nice including the hand communicators to allow us to use instead of the combadges.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Requests for VOs from George Takei, Tim Russ, and/or Kelsey Grammer incoming...

    ...oops I guess there went the budget.

    Tim Russ wouldn't cost too much. I wrote to him and he told me his rates. I'd love to get some VO's from him for the game (he did some excellent VO's for Dragon Age, so he's experienced). However, the devs prefer to spend on more staff right now, so I can deal with that since it gets us more content faster. I'd still like to hear more VO from Trek alumni in the future.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    This. There's the Tomed Incident, the Cardassian War, the Tzenkethi War, conflict with the Tholians, first contact with the Ferengi, etc. etc.

    From the Klingon side, there's the fallout from the Khitomer Accords and the big question of exactly how the Klingon Empire recovered from the Praxis Disaster.

    i created a thread a few days ago about an idea to have a parallel game take place in 2309 were all the older era ships and stuff would be more at home, and that huge gap of time could finally be fleshed out.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=203960

    less than a warm response. maybe your characters father was a semi famous captain? maybe you can replay on the holodeck his exploits through all of these events?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Tim Russ wouldn't cost too much. I wrote to him and he told me his rates. I'd love to get some VO's from him for the game (he did some excellent VO's for Dragon Age, so he's experienced). However, the devs prefer to spend on more staff right now, so I can deal with that since it gets us more content faster. I'd still like to hear more VO from Trek alumni in the future.

    Tim Russ wouldn't cost much, I agree, but the only reason I mention Alan Ruck specifically is that I gather he really went out of his way to do that "Of Gods and Men" fan film with Russ.

    I figure he'd provide his own transportation to the studio and actually record on site at Cryptic. There's a giddiness he has about Star Trek that is evident. Paul and Mira Sorvino are similar in that regard and I've detected a whiff of that vibe from David Hyde Pierce as well. (Who come to think of it, would be great as an uptight Q.)

    Speaking of Sorvino... Whatever happened to Nikolai Rozhenko or Sergey and Helena Rozhenko? After awhile, they started writing Worf as he'd had a Klingon upbringing and education and largely ditched his human family. I think with Worf having defected to the opposing side in this war, someone at Starfleet might get the idea to try and leverage Nikolai to pressure Worf.

    Or maybe Section 31 would try to get Nikolai killed by J'mpok's forces to mess with Worf's loyalties.
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