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Cryptic i have a problem with you guys atm . don't get me wrong this is a great game and ty for making it but you are starting to make me mad . First of all as Fun (sarcasm) as playing klingon is you have continued to say you are going to improve them . we need some PVE content ASAP , lvling a klingon is well boreing and it would be nice if you spiced it up a little . you have said you are going to improve them but update after update we get nothing for pre-end game . Federation is just not my style and sometimes i would like to do something other then PVP.

And it would be nice to play romulans cause the hope of playing them was what made me buy this game . If you guys are not going to make them then please just let us know , but i would rather be bored wishing for more content in a warbird then in a bird of prey .
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    dshahl has said several times that romulans and other playable faction will come in time. at the moment they dont want to add them because of the lack of content for klingons. they want to make klingons much better and hope to do this by the end of the year.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the [URL=" http://forums.startrekonline.com/announcement.php?f=70&a=2"]Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines[/URL] GMMeeko
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Lufia wrote:
    you're a pvp faction suck it up and deal with it? a true klingon warrior does not whine :D
    frankly all this carebare contence you've gotten already is not klingon ... you should be out there fighting for your empire in the Glorious pvp matches not exploring the galaxy ...

    The epicness of 10 rooms can wear thin at times.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Lufia wrote:
    you're a pvp faction suck it up and deal with it? a true klingon warrior does not whine :D
    frankly all this carebare contence you've gotten already is not klingon ... you should be out there fighting for your empire in the Glorious pvp matches not exploring the galaxy ...

    littlesnabes is a person not a faction, and even if littlesnabes plays a character of a particular faction this does not mean that he/she becomes member of that faction in any other sense than playing it.
    DNA does not change, the neural structure of the brain does not reorganize itself etc.
    Need a reality-check?

    BTW, when and where are the Klingons a PvP faction?
    They were announced as a full faction, with full PvE and DStahl has also said that they could not make them complete due to deadlines.
    Even though I see no need for a thread such as this ATM I don't see any need for you to spread falsehoods combined with smug "suck it up" and "carebear" comments either.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Lufia wrote:
    you're a pvp faction suck it up and deal with it? a true klingon warrior does not whine :D
    frankly all this carebare contence you've gotten already is not klingon ... you should be out there fighting for your empire in the Glorious pvp matches not exploring the galaxy ...

    PvP now...is not a good way to level. You could spend an hour or more waiting for a match that might never come.

    Although...thank you for the pep talk, I feel the urge to PvP now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Another thread hijacked by the lifers....nice to see.

    Ive been leveling a klink up, I have to say there is alot more content then there was at release, and the missions are much better than the feds missions from what i have seen.

    But I agree, pvp is broken at the moment, not nearly enough ppl in the pvp queues, I can understand why if there are 1000's of ppl playing why you have to wait ages for 8 ppl to pvp...lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ...and since when is being a lifer some kind of stigma?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Lufia wrote:
    you're a pvp faction suck it up and deal with it? a true klingon warrior does not whine :D
    frankly all this carebare contence you've gotten already is not klingon ... you should be out there fighting for your empire in the Glorious pvp matches not exploring the galaxy ...

    I've seen similar comments from you regarding Klingon content.....all I can say to you: if you are brave enough to post such things on the forums,then you are equally brave to meet some Klinks on the PvP battlefield.....or are you all talk and no spine?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Lufia wrote:
    you're a pvp faction suck it up and deal with it? a true klingon warrior does not whine :D
    frankly all this carebare contence you've gotten already is not klingon ... you should be out there fighting for your empire in the Glorious pvp matches not exploring the galaxy ...

    lol- We do We very much Do just that and the payback from the fed community is a near constant whine about the OP perception of our faction and vessels. It gets old slamming fed pugs then having to come defend ourselves on the forums against the cries for nerf from those whom are not happy about dying.

    The huge amount of PvPing that the KDF has even been brought up as one reason why we may seem OP to some feds, just because as a Klingon pvp is one of the big things we use to level up. Its even funnier when we say "we pvp alot, thats why we do so well in pug" and the fed response is "Balderdash, thats not a factor is KDF OP".

    SO we ask for more Pve/ships/equipment to flesh out our factionplay and to give life to the KDF/Gorn/Nausicain and Orions that are fans because killing feds does get old sometimes.
    Luckily the Devs see more into STO than just fulfilling fed desires.

    See ya in PuGs.
    HubsST wrote: »
    Another thread hijacked by the lifers....nice to see.
    What? Thats so offcenter angst there.
    I would accept that Lifers are going to be more and more prominent as STO gets older and the Devs offer more Lifer sub deals.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    at first i never really understood what klingon players were talking about. i eventually dove in to see what it was like, and found that the core to the complaints, though very heated at times, is valid.

    i have to say i like my kling character a lot, but that took a back seat for me now cuz pvp has barely anyone in it anymore..same for pve (which for klingons should be called galactic conquest content). i am waiting for the upcoming plans to flesh them out. there are so few match maps, i think it bores people away from it. the other issue is that its not very complicated as far as competition variety.

    a lot of the reason a pvp based faction just doesnt work in this game is cuz limitations just either bore or frustrate people away. a lot of the problems boil down to game mechanics in general for both fed and klingon. ever had a swordmaser "one shot" you to death? yeah. we will get to that later...

    for now, this is what pvp needs in general
    1. more fleshed out storylines and surprise elements for pvp maps. the sorties had the right idea going in.
    creatures that came in and attacked both groups, interfering with matches would be cool surprises too

    2. a sense of getting somewhere and accomplishing. territory control map that outlines progress on both sides would be helpful

    3. non player influenced and interactive strategy elements.
    its so boring to just deploy mines and they just spawn wherever. (this applies to ground and space maps.) in trek, they never beamed in mines randomly; they placed them on the wall, ran back, and detonated it for some advantage (same with placing in a nebula) the gravity mine in star trek armada is a good element i could think of.

    now if i had the option to place mines myself where i wanted to, that alone would be useful. throw a rock into a doorway and set off a proximity detonator, or aim my sniper rifle in and shoot one on the wall (maybe using someones mine they just placed against them) then you would have something. its really funny that as you walk across mines on ground maps, they can be "kicked" around like pebbles. :rolleyes::p

    deploy warp plasma in an opponents path and then ignite it with phasers would be cool
    hide and seek tactics would be cool too. i liked the touch where in Colosseum, you could heal using herbal plants on the map.
    point is if i am smart enough to use strategy and think ahead, the game should be capable of rewarding me for it. klingons (well all trek) is/are about tactics. and that element is minimal at the moment.

    4. tab and select targeting just makes pvp a messy nightmare. when in a critical situation, it is a major chore to try to get the target you intend to attack in the first place. by the time you do, your usually dead, not because your reflexes are bad, but because it disorients you so quickly on a level that is not "realistic". on top of that, i think the characters turning is just out of proportion to the actual command. its not instant. that is frustrating, especially when the weapons fire IS nearly instant (those dual pistol blasters are one of em-which npc swordmasters that "one shot" you tend to annihilate you with--and i think this may be part of the problem with them. its not OP, just more reactive than you are allowed to be)

    i mean when you are getting shot, its like this: pewpewpewpew; you react tab-turn-tab-turn (all the while you are gettn blasted away. tab-turn-TRIBBLE it keeps selecting the wrong target. the guy is right in front of me!!! i cant select him with my mouse cuz of all the guys running around!!!... oh darn im dead. TRIBBLE. respawn.
    (im not really sure how to solve this)- cuz on one hand, click to target is a nightmare when there are all these speed boosts in space, but at the same time, speed boosts should be a viable method to escape target locks, which makes that a double edged sword.:o

    i mean i remember the 007 game goldeneye, as an example. i never had these issues in that game. it was very fun pvp. now even if it was an "over the shoulder" camera type game, like STO,i still dont think i would have these problems.

    ----the truth is that the lack of these tactical options and elements really screams to me that this game is not designed for pvp in the first place. that makes it a contradiction to its core intended function AND is completely devastating to any element or faction that is almost completely dependent on it imo----:eek:

    there's a few other elements im not thinking of (mostly cuz im really tired right now) but those would be a good start.

    now for pve, klingons do go out and discover as well, but in the form of conquering. going out into space and fighting new species to conquer them is definitely the direction to go there. as species are conquered, you acquire and learn new tech along the way. again, the sorties really help to drive things in the direction they need to go here.

    i think the new ground combat system (esp if they implement the cover system-havent heard much about it lately-) will help enhance their play style. i

    its just all going to take time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    mister_dee wrote:
    ...and since when is being a lifer some kind of stigma?

    Ever since the devs singled you out with blue names ;) Nah, j/k, I'd be a lifer if I had the money.

    But on the topic at hand, it does kind of suck right now. My Klingon captain is at Captain 4 I believe, and I only have one or two PVE missions left. I'm not sure how I'm going to get to BG. PvP queues have a wait time of like 20+ minutes, so PvP isn't efficient for leveling. I guess I'm stuck with the repeatables for now.

    Fortunately, Season 4 is likely going to include more Klingon PvE, as the devs have said that they intend to take a look at Klingon level progression and add where neccessary for Season 4.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I've played Klinks and I agree that they are limited in terms of content - that said, posting flame-bait threads about how 'mad' you are at the devs not only doesn't get us stuff sooner :P but it makes those of us that play Klingon's look bad because it's just another thread where Kling-haters can sign in and say how 'selfish' we are (though I play both factions) because we complain too much
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Ever since the devs singled you out with blue names ;) Nah, j/k, I'd be a lifer if I had the money.

    But on the topic at hand, it does kind of suck right now. My Klingon captain is at Captain 4 I believe, and I only have one or two PVE missions left. I'm not sure how I'm going to get to BG. PvP queues have a wait time of like 20+ minutes, so PvP isn't efficient for leveling. I guess I'm stuck with the repeatables for now.

    Fortunately, Season 4 is likely going to include more Klingon PvE, as the devs have said that they intend to take a look at Klingon level progression and add where neccessary for Season 4.

    HMM, I wonder what happens to Andorians, is someone (aside from the Gorn) going to throw stones at them when they dare to show their antennae, shouthing "Blue! Lifers! We must crush them before they spread!" ?:p
    Well I must say I'm one of those who got two of his three characters on the Klingon side to General without weeklies and daylies.
    So compared to what we had back then I must say it's a cakewalk now.
    Exploration I say, defeat more Tibbles and dangerous plants!
    They aren't usually blue but they must be crushed nontheless.;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    they are only flame bait threads when trolls think they can get a rise out of a group of people who truly feel sick to the stomach of how they are treated as a faction, and its apauling to see people actually attack people simply for the fact they want a better game that they pay for which in turn would make a better game for both sides as a whole making the entire game as a package stronger.

    we understand that its going to take alot of work but when we got diplomatic an all the other things thrown in our faces and then the promise of the new ships through the ranks disapear into thin air and the only sci vessel to pe put onto the kdf side be a top lvl ship, need i go on, well yes i must.

    alot of work has gone into the kdf but not a fraction of what has gone into fed content be it real content or just shiney stuff like ship costumes, revamp of space stations etc. the kdf have bassically been given the bare minimum so the peeps left here dont leave an never come back.

    kdf need something huge in the next few months cos for all the stuff that was promised means nothing an words are like dust from then on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    HubsST wrote: »
    Another thread hijacked by the lifers....nice to see.
    Wait - so you don't agree that making a PvP faction around 10 maps is a bad idea? :confused:

    I thought it was a bad idea myself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Hey, maybe I missed something, but hasn't there been, so far, 14 new Klingon missions added over the past few months?

    That certainly makes playing Klingon way more managable, especcially since all 14 of them can be replayed now and offer XP at your level.

    Meanwhile, Gozer's sorties are the bomb-bizzle! I leveled my Gorn almost SOLELY on them, and had a blast because it was ALL ABOUT how quickly and how efficiently I could blaze through both missions within 30 minutes so I could do it AGAIN for the next 30, and AGAIN... and the path of the warrior bonus mission was ALWAYS practically impossible! I think I've only ever completed it once, with fleet help!

    I want to see more "Klingon specific" PVE material too, but really that aint the big problem now. The big problem is fixing PVP more so there's actually people to play against.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    There were the 8 low to mid level story missions. The sorties are nice of somebody flies a BOP with high damage and mobility. There is a serious lack of PVE content beside the grinding missions.

    PvP is another concern, the system is broken and not functioning any longer. Finding a group is difficult enough. IMO thw entire PVP thing needs a complete redesign and there need to be goodies for doing PvP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Havraha wrote: »
    Hey, maybe I missed something, but hasn't there been, so far, 14 new Klingon missions added over the past few months?

    2 sorties were added in the past few months (8 KDF Feature PvE episodes were added in July, more than six months ago).

    This total excludes faction agnostic high content and the weeklies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Just yesterday I got my first KDF character to Captain. (BTW I love the change to Gorn Bite, it is actually useful now) I agree, there needs to be more, but I don't think we need to be complaining as loudly and vehemently as before. As mentioned by others there have been a lot of KDF missions added over the last few months, beyond the featured series. My Gorn has leveled up as fast (in game time) as any other alt I've done, and I haven't had to do too much grinding and practically no pvp, but it has taken longer (real life time) because of the lack of mission variety. That said, I went from start to Captain in the same time it took me to get another KDF from start to Lt. Commander 7 and deletion six months ago.

    Sure, the sorties are designed for a Raptor/BoP captain -for the bonus mission- but we have also been told that they are working on two other batches that focus on other types of ships. Even though I've only pulled off the bonus mission twice I fully support leaving it as is.

    The outcry of the KDF players was warranted, and served to show the devs how much of a demand there was for a full pve Klingon faction. They know this now and are doing a ton to give it to us. I think we are at the point that going over the same complaints and arguments for the Xth time is going to start to hurt our cause as we alienate and depress the very people trying to make us happy.
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