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"Greeting, Rear Admiral, Lower Half Janeway!"

Is there some way to make it so people call us by our PREFERRED title, and not our exact rank? I think it sounds just horrible to be called "Rear Admiral, Lowerhalf <name>", especially if you roleplay a Commander or an Operative or a Medic, etc.

If there is no switch or setting that I am missing, maybe there should be.

The titles that we earn are very cool, and I'd really love our preferred title to show up in all dialouge. I know I'm the only one who sees this, but it is really immersion breaking. Obsession is part of the game, isn't it?

After all, I'd much rather see, "Greetings, Torpedo Target Janeway!" :D:D:D
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    "Greetings, Moist Janeway!"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    indeed it shouldnt include (lower and rear half) at all in dialouge
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    "Greetings Federation Ambassador. B-Money" =]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    "Greetings Federation Ambassador. B-Money" =]
    That is correct, just as more Lt. Cmdrs are generally referred to as Commander X unless the formal rank is necessary for the ocassion. NPCs should simply adress RAs as "Rear Admiral X".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You named your character Janeway? :|
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I'm sure she's not the first person to do that in this game. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    That is correct, just as more Lt. Cmdrs are generally referred to as Commander X unless the formal rank is necessary for the ocassion. NPCs should simply adress RAs as "Rear Admiral X".

    Well actually they should call us only Admiral, as long as they're not higher ranked.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Jexsam wrote: »
    You named your character Janeway? :|

    I suppose the question would be is the characters first name "Kathryn" or "Catherine".?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I dont post often but since I just hit Admiral not long ago so this is really really driving me mad. I do my best to just read greetings Admiral and have my eyes skip the lower half part. Sooo annoying. Anyway keep up the good work guys.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    They said a while ago that being addressed by title, like altering shipboard crew uniforms, is something being looked into/worked on, but that what is currently in the game wasn't designed to support it.

    So supposedly it will happen, but it's not a major priority so don't expect it soon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lol - I agree 100% with the OP with regards to the whole Rear Admiral lower half bit. RA is sufficient, get rid of the "lower half" bit. And bring in a "Fleet Captain" rank if you won't do Commodore - that rank exists. Might as well use it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    They said a while ago that being addressed by title, like altering shipboard crew uniforms, is something being looked into/worked on, but that what is currently in the game wasn't designed to support it.

    So supposedly it will happen, but it's not a major priority so don't expect it soon.

    They actually said that? Very nice to hear.

    I also want to point out that I don't just want it to be the brief "Admiral" or "Rear Admiral" but also to allow for everything from Torpedo Target <name> to Captain <name> (some of us want to STAY Captains FOREVER, you know!)

    And NO I do not have a character named Janeway. That was just a joke, eh? :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    They actually said that? Very nice to hear.

    I also want to point out that I don't just want it to be the brief "Admiral" or "Rear Admiral" but also to allow for everything from Torpedo Target <name> to Captain <name> (some of us want to STAY Captains FOREVER, you know!)

    And NO I do not have a character named Janeway. That was just a joke, eh? :D

    It's been addressed a few times. Here is one of the earliest responses by Dstahl (from when Rear Admiral Upper/Lower was still just on Tribble)...
    dstahl wrote: »
    Just throw in a new variable! one for "displayed rank" one for *actual rank*
    .
    There's close to 1000 or more instances of the dialog wildcard {RankName} and in many cases it is used in conjunction with other wildcards such as "{RankName}{LastName}, we are in need of assistance. And in other places it is used as "This weapon can be equiped by {RankName}". So a global search and replace "may" get 90% of the cases, but then there will be 10% where it makes no sense or leads to misleading information. Then when you add in the fact that it will cause a relocalization pass on every dialog, it gets tricky.

    We're looking into it and know how to address it in the code... it just takes time and resources to implement.

    Source
    dstahl wrote: »
    I wonder how easy or difficult this one is actually to fix.I suppose that all old dialogues will need to be reworked to support such a change.
    Spent an hour running around talking to various devs today trying to get a good solution for this...

    We're working on it... we realize it is odd in dialog... but want to stay true to the established ranks. We have a few options to pursue and we'll get it taken care of.

    Source
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Jexsam wrote: »
    You named your character Janeway? :|

    Uh... didn't everyone? After all, we know as soon as she got home, she retired and started popping out babies like no tomorrow.

    How else would you explain all these descendants of hers?:p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fortunately "Vice Admiral" is short enough not to be too irritating, so atleast you shouldn't be stuck with those long titles for very long.

    But I agree, unless it has to be formal, why can't they call you commander or admiral? Theyve allowed us to use a nickname instead of a full name for our Captain and crew for the purpose of shortening the text, so why not rank and possibly ship? (as having your fleet tag or a letter after your ship name in conversation does look out of place)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    "Greetings, Moist Janeway!"

    Thanks for putting me off my breakfast. :mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Oh come on, its not like Kathryn Janeway of Star Trek would be the only person/character to be named Kathryn Janeway. :rolleyes:

    Just as James T. Kirk is not the first nor the last James T. Kirk :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I believe the OP didn't just want it shortened to Adiral, but rather wanted the ability to select from her earned titles.

    I like this idea, because I roleplay that I am a first officer, and want to keep being addressed as commander even as I level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I believe the OP didn't just want it shortened to Adiral, but rather wanted the ability to select from her earned titlesl.

    Correct.

    I want to stay Captain. Or be an Attache. FOr me, Admiral is ho-hum.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Did they fix this? I noticed a lot less "Rear Admiral" and a lot more "Captain" in conversation, etc. :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    "Lower Half" always seemed like a place holder for a better designation. I have been bothered by this for many moons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'm not too keen on being called by title either, I'd much rather the way the text windows reference the ranks is altered slightly - or at least an option to appease both view points on the issue.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I like this idea, because I roleplay that I am a first officer, and want to keep being addressed as commander even as I level.

    Cool, I like that idea. How do you do it? As in roleplay a first officer?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Nah, I tested out switching my title to Commander and they still called me Captain.

    But hey, thank goodness they are calling me Captain instead of Admiral!

    Too bad we can't control our title and how we're addressed. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    "Greeting, Rear Admiral, Lower Half Janeway!"

    Is there some way to make it so people call us by our PREFERRED title, and not our exact rank? I think it sounds just horrible to be called "Rear Admiral, Lowerhalf <name>", especially if you roleplay a Commander or an Operative or a Medic, etc.

    If there is no switch or setting that I am missing, maybe there should be.

    The titles that we earn are very cool, and I'd really love our preferred title to show up in all dialouge. I know I'm the only one who sees this, but it is really immersion breaking. Obsession is part of the game, isn't it?

    After all, I'd much rather see, "Greetings, Torpedo Target Janeway!" :D:D:D


    More appropriately, all prefixes and suffixes to ranks should be dropped during conversations with NPCs. Specifically, the "Lieutenant" in Lieutenant Commander and the "Rear" "Vice" "Lower Half" and "Upper Half" in the Admiral ranks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    That is correct, just as more Lt. Cmdrs are generally referred to as Commander X unless the formal rank is necessary for the ocassion. NPCs should simply adress RAs as "Rear Admiral X".

    Especially when It's a dignitary from anothe rgovernment or a stranger to you. The exact title isn't as important as "I'm a Captain" or " I'm an Admiral."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    It's been addressed a few times. Here is one of the earliest responses by Dstahl (from when Rear Admiral Upper/Lower was still just on Tribble)...

    I've wondered about the implementation. It confirms that coupling rank and level from the beginning was a mistake and should inform future design decisions to avoid being painted into more corners like this in the future.

    I would hope Cryptic at least gets to the point where they distinguish between RANKNAME and MINIMUMLEVELNAME if they insist on still having names for levels/tiers. The two uses sited are semantically different and need different names. They could also create all new tag names, use them in the Foundry, and remediate old missions while doing revamps; they don't break things horribly to fix this. It's a solvable problem.

    However, there are already numerous places where text say things like "creates a Level 10 Phaser Turret" or the like. I suppose "Creates an Rear Admiral, Upper Half Phaser Turret" sounds a little strange. I would prefer the terminology be consistent, so I'd use level where level is the actual governing attribute.

    Please, Cryptic, separate rank from level.

    UDPATE

    I undersand dstahl's perspective: this is a small thing in itself that touches many things. It's expensive to fix in raw rework and potential bugs any change can introduce. However, this kind of issue only gets worse (i.e., more expensive to fix) over time; new missions, new functionality (e.g., Foundry), and new factions introduce more things that will need rework.

    The probability this will get addressed decreases over time because the cost of fixing it increases over time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Blergh... just make RA LH into Commodore and RA UH into "RA" - problem solved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I would love this... or getting addressed by some other rank title. My Orion kdf is a mercenary, not a Klingon warrior. I would much rather she just be addressed as J'Sekha... or captain if need be. Harmony is forever set at Captain, until I decide she retires and probly then set her title to something else.
    Blergh... just make RA LH into Commodore and RA UH into "RA" - problem solved.

    Or just get rid of all rank-titles above Captain. <,<
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    double post.. >.>
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