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You allways hear that the real power of Klingons in pvp lies in their excellent teamwork and support.
As i m leveling a Kling character i now realize that this is far from the truth at least at the lower -Lieut Commander Level.The klingon teams at this level are impressively bad in just about every aspect of pvp gameplay.They dont team up at the beggining ,they dont focus fire ,and generally are extremely uncoordinated.Even when i do the team up at the beggining and tell them to target X ,many times they ll do it their "own way" decloaking when on their own,targeting target Y instead of X ...
You may argue that at such low levels all players are noobs but this shouldnt realy be the case with Klings because contrary to fed players they should have some substantiall experience before taking a Kling toon.
Feds at such a low level are much better coordinated.Perhaps its the "fear of the cloaked threat" that makes them stay tight and supporting each other..
I guess the simple truth is that just like Feds ,Klings learn gradually to get better,less selfcentered and more supporting.:)
As i m leveling a Kling character i now realize that this is far from the truth at least at the lower -Lieut Commander Level.The klingon teams at this level are impressively bad in just about every aspect of pvp gameplay.They dont team up at the beggining ,they dont focus fire ,and generally are extremely uncoordinated.Even when i do the team up at the beggining and tell them to target X ,many times they ll do it their "own way" decloaking when on their own,targeting target Y instead of X ...
You may argue that at such low levels all players are noobs but this shouldnt realy be the case with Klings because contrary to fed players they should have some substantiall experience before taking a Kling toon.
Feds at such a low level are much better coordinated.Perhaps its the "fear of the cloaked threat" that makes them stay tight and supporting each other..
I guess the simple truth is that just like Feds ,Klings learn gradually to get better,less selfcentered and more supporting.:)
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EDIT: The Klingon posers get weeded out by and at Captain
Klingons at the lower tiers are most likely very new to the KDF and PvP, at least if they play like that.
But even then, I had a different experience with Klingon PvP. I definitely saw teamwork. People immediately teaming up with each other, waiting in cloak until the targeting sequence was decided and the first target called. Regrouping after a wipe.
Sure, it wasn't always like that. In Capture & Hold, there is a lot less talking gone on, I think. But then, it doesn't seem that crucial there, either.
I also saw Fed players being able to organize and roflstomp over an inexperienced Klingon team.
If only the Queues at that level would pop more often...
Needless to say, my second Klingon is on hold, also dreading playing at LtC. Which back in Feb. was the funnest level to play. Now has to wait until season 3, promote boff to Capt. FTW.
I second that. Don't bother too much in early stages.
I played a lot of Arenas and Capture and Hold at LG1, usually you get an invite once all have spawned and everythign is peachy. Then occasionally you get these groups where there is no immediate invite and things go horribly wrong. Then suddenly you get an invite and we turn the game around. That's my experience.
Lt Com levels are hard for everyone because most people just don't have many support skills to spare. Getting the hang of the ships in PVP, when PVP is exceedingly rare at those levels these days, is a rough thing to do. The pace is very different too, and BO skill points are very hard to come by, so you may have an engineering team to spare, its just on a much longer cooldown than 30s. Once you get into commander, things start to get considerably better.
Still, in my experience, most up and coming KDF are about killing and DPS, and this has always been true in my experience. Most BOPs seem to be tac focused which doesn't lend itself to supporting well. Cruisers are few and far between. So support isn't going to be had when no one is built for it.
Low levels are mostly feds trying out the OP BOP. Those of us playing klink leveled our toons 9-10 months ago.
Except me, I did stop playing for a few months though, when I came back have only played klingon.
A battle hardened pvp faction is what it is , it is after all all they have really.
Typically I play odd hours, usually any where from Late afternoon through till early morning hours. I've noticed that in the afternoons and eavenings when the experienced and die hard Klinks are on we typically snowball feds. I mean brutal 15 nothing games. But during the late night hours when all the feds come play their klink alts, klinks get their squishy little behinds handed to them more often than not. It realy realy is all about the team work, and fighting with your ship the way it was designed to.
I started with federation as most players do and I have switched to Klingon because I got tired of seeing the cruisers get everything while the escort keeps getting nerfed. So I switched to a BoP pilot and I love killing those cruisers now.
I have reached Captain in a week doing mostly pvp with clusters and the few missions klingons get to fill the time when the pvp ques are really slow.
As for Klingon teams Im sure some of the older Klinks have some good teams but that doesnt mean that all new klinks are just bad fed pvpers. I think that because PVP is such a major part of leveling for a Klingon they will tend to have learned what works earlier then many feds.
ok.. at the start, the klings are like typical feddies.
They have no cordination like newbie feddies, and know less on how to play as a team.
However on the KDF side, we have very few exp missions.
We infact have a very small route in lvling.
Most of the older klings did this though PVP, you cant do this anymore as the timers wont let u join a game back to back like the old ones did.
Now after lvling your kling though pvp, and at the same time, playing pvp with a lot other klings, you begin to learn how the person plays.
Chances are in 10 games on the kling side, at least 7 times u will play with someone you know.
Thats how little klings there are.
So after playing that many games with someone, you learn how to play with that person.
And u always see that person most of the time in a KvF map.
To other klings, klings are almost like fleet once u get to the higher tiers.
If you dont believe me, go into a KVP map as a VA.
You will get TRIBBLE unless the feddie is a premade fleet.
This is also true on the fed side, at least while leveling up my latest tac toon (only at captain) over the last week or two, constantly see the same fed characters.
I leveled through PVE patrol grinding, but yeah, what you said is true for most Klink players. XD
What i DO see, and what really annoys me, is the low DPS many of my KDF teammates put out... On an average pug team, I will usually do double, or even triple the damage of my teammates... In perhaps half the matches there will be one other captain that equals my damage, but there are always at least 3 ships delivering crappy DPS. On top of this, i usually have higher healing than them too...
This leads me to belive that about 70% of the captains at KDF cmdr and capt level are very unaccustomed to PvP. (and STFs) I think this could easily be the same for Fed side.
I just dont get this... so they are Fed players... did the "real" klinks buy 'KDF Online' instead of 'STO Online'? Is your race defined by the first of your characters to reach commander? captain? BG/RA? LG/VA? Having leveled a fed first, and having done my fair share of fed PvP, i do not belive that this makes me a worse KDF PvPer... On the contrary, i find it makes me much more aware of the tactics and weaknesses of my enemy!
The big difference is that the PvE-experienced Fed Admirals fighting those PvP-experienced KDF Generals will likely be overwhelmed by the level of teamwork and the tricks that the latter have accumulated over their progress, which leads us to the current situation.
Do note that there are exceptions to this. It is not that unusual that the KDF gets pwned badly by a group of Starfleet ships because they are quite simply better coordinated. It all depends on what kind of combination of players gets into the match. KDF General means you DO have PvP experience, Starfleet VA means you MIGHT have it.
That's really all there is to it.
I think the more skilled PvP players have distributed themselves between the factions at this point.
Some problems really do solve themselves, I guess.