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Firefly20069 wrote: »Hi, I've used this forum from time to time just for little tips on bridge officer skills etc. I don't understand how or why there are so many users who just seem to pour vitriol and TRIBBLE over the developers of this game? It's just a game.... Why are people so obsessed with it and have this sense of entitlement about it? It's just a game that if u like you subscribe to and if you don't you don't.
How do you all get the time for all this? Do you not have jobs, girlfriends, family responsibilities etc? I'm really not trying to be nasty, it just all seems a bit strange.
Anyway, enjoying the game and when I get a free hour or so I'm playing it. For the sake of only £15 a month, I'll subscribe for a long time for the occasional evening of fun.
If u want to attack me, feel free to. Just if it takes a minute of ur time though to think, wait a sec, what am i doing with my life, this is all a bit sad, it'll be worth my post.
Regards and best wishes to you all
Ian
yeah, ive been thinking about posting something similar.
i dont get it, either. STO is a newborn MMO, just a month old (today!) They've made massive improvements on the server stability (its been weeks since ive crashed or seen a queue), fixing bugs (the only ones left are the BIG ones; the ones that take planning, time and testing to eliminate) and have even added some end-game content.
what *I* see is a fledgling MMO that is off to a very fast start. All of the complaints ive thought about sharing have already been addressed by the Devs (even if they have not been fixed yet). Content is coming. Community-requested 'quality of life' changes have ALREADY happened (auto-fire for ground combat, for instance) and more are on the way.
When i see someone on here, talking about absolutely hyperbolic retribution against Atari, Cryptic or even fellow players, such as legal action, calling the Devs names, declaring the game a failure, directly insulting anyone and everyone involved with the game, etc, all i can think of is some spoiled, pimple-faced 14 year old spitting and sputtering and stamping his little feet because he's not getting his way. he can cry and moan about how everyone else is a failure, but he has never created or contributed anything himself.
If you dont like what you're served at a restaurant, that you ordered, why would you yell derision and profanities at the wait-staff as you continue to shovel the food into your mouth?
"GAH! *munch, snarf* this is TERRIBLE! you people *smack, chomp* DISGUST me with how AWFUL this food is! *chew, swallow* you're the biggest bunch of idiots in the entire world! *masticate, salivate* I should SUE you because you're FORCING me to eat this POISON!"
seriously? if you dont like the game, go play something else. its not a big deal. its really not.
Im enjoying the game. I 'get it'. The space combat is beautiful and engaging. The ground combat is a bit plodding, in my opinion, but that is exactly the sort of thing that gets tweaked and balanced over time in an MMO. The crafting is obviously slapdash, but again, that is the sort thing that takes time to implement. The framework for an excellent game is here. The fleshing out takes time and good feedback.
Do i think Cyrptic is nothing but a bunch of crooks and swindlers trying to do nothing more than separate me from my money? no, of course not. They're video game developers who care about their product and the Star Trek universe, but who are, unfortunately, working for a large corporation.
I admit, early in Beta i was VERY skeptical and down on STO and Cryptic. it took about 2 big patches of them fixing things before i changed my mind. But, change it they did. The game is constantly improving... and THAT is the hallmark of a MMO.
Still, the greatest flaw i think with STO is the concept of a 12-24 month development cycle for a modern MMO. Its just not enough time, in my opinion, to make it fleshed out enough to complete with other contemporary MMO's that are already established. Cryptic, in my opinion, is having to play 'catch up'... but they're doing it rather well.
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Long answer: You're giving the trolls a headache by posting so many words that they have to read to pick out a key passage to harp on. In this case, I'll help them by saying 4th paragraph from the bottom. Second sentence. Go.
If they are just complaining to complain that's another.
well, if im 'nerdrageing' or being hyperbolic, i would like to know how or in what way... it certainly wasn't my intent to come off that way.
I've been a nerd (of all kinds) all my life but ive never understood the vitriol or hate that some let fester (cultivate?) in themselves. being a nerd shoudl be about enjoying nerdy things. not hating them or each other!
Oh thank you. Much easier. *scans*
How dare you!!!1!!
The players that have gripes and state the reasons for them not wanting to continue playing or what we can do to improve the game are fine and constructive.
More times than not, people that nerd rage and 'Quit" keep coming back to the forums to cause grief and misery. Spreading all the doom and gloom they can. It has upset myself seeing how these forums become. Most of them aren't giving constuctive critism for the game to improve, but indeed just slander the game and anyone not agreeing with their Point-of-view.
OP I feel your pain, but going to wait till either the players are forced to re-sub or quit. I truely hope the immature, non-constructive vile posts end.
Just like every other MMO. Champions Online included.
While it generally takes 6 months or even a year to have a significant fan based "opposition" arise, the haters show up even before the game goes live. There were several thousand posters complaining that Vanguard: Saga of Heroes sucked before it was even possible to know if it did or not.
The psychological profile of the hater is pretty complex, and there is not enough research to truly understand them. In ordinary life, the average person avoids things they find unpleasant, is attracting to things they find pleasurable. You rarely see people who hate golf hanging out at a golfing tourney and chatting up fans of the game in an attempt to disrupt the conversation flow of these people (the definition of a hater). You do, very rarely, see people gather in opposition to some situation based on the theory of bully or mob dislike. For example, a group of bullies who do not like competitive dance showing up to disrupt a practice. The question to be answered is: does the psychological understanding of hate in this regard have anything to do with online hate. This would link it in a sociological sense to bigotry.
I suspect it is not that easy, and that we will discover over the years that what you have is a safe hate zone. It is harder to express hate in public for the average person because they have to look the person they are hating in the face. It also takes more time and effort to truly hate something, and to put an effort to disrupt others in their positive or negative discussions of the thing.
Hate posting is not restricted to gaming. Go to any heavy metal discussion website and post a reasonable short essay on the music of a group and stand back. These websites are almost impossible to use for communication by fans because haters spend hours tracking the sites.
Q's back.
Sweet. Now I can read your posts correctly again. Thanks.
The captured post is the real majority of players playing WoW and STO, they pay $15 a month for their couple hours a week, where a typical forum dweller, thinks casual play is a couple hours a day, and they still pay $15 a month.
The money is in the true casual players, MMORPGs focused on the hard core players just do not make financial sense, especially for an expensive IP like Star Trek. The hard core will have games like EVE and the Korean style grinds, but very unlikely a big name IP.
In some ways I am sad, I will get to be a hard core gamer again when I retire (soon hopefully) and will be looking for more hard core game (strategy, not twitch) MMORPG. When I will have the time to play. But for now, job gets most of my time, I at best I can be a forum level casual player (couple hours a day).
I have lifetime here and LOTRO, both I fully expect to enjoy for years, even after they passed being my main games. Also enjoy DDO now that is F2P, and enjoy GW from time to time. All with no addtional money out of my pocket.
Just an FYI
Your post is doing nothing but "hating on" the people you view as "nerds". You insult people, then tell them not to get mad.
(Edit to remove: Insult (I am only human.))
Unfortunately, my place of work frowns on the sounds of phaser fire coming from someone who's arguable doing database programing at any given moment. Mostly because databases don't fire phasers normally.
Yes its true. Yet for some reason its much easier for your bosses to catch you using one of them at work...
I would hate to see the ones that do.
im not talking about passion.. pasison is FINE. its the hate... if you're looking for an example of 'hate', how abouit this?
This person, who posted this to these forums, who im not naming, SAYS that they're filing a "consumer fraud complaint" against Cryptic.
or, the post i just flagged for trolling who went on and on about how we're all idiots for 'eating the TRIBBLE that Cryptic has tried to sell us as a game. This game is nothing but a giant TRIBBLE and they should be ashamed of their pathetic attempt at making a Star Trek game. I hope you idiots enjoy eating Crytic's TRIBBLE."
i dont think one can really deny the nerdrage or the hyperbole on these forums...
I can, because those are judgmental calls and you know no one but yourself. IE you can judge no one but yourself, so unless you are doing those things I would keep my fingers shut.
im not SO casual.. lol. I have a RA3 and im now working on my alt.
in other words, "gee, there;s not much end-game content? guess i'll level up in the other faction or try another class/ship combo!" .. instead of screaming on the forums about how Cryptic ruined my life.. lol.
Ok, YOU get a hall pass. The rest go enjoy the game!
Cryptic release it early on purpose, who cares about why it was done.
You should be mature enough to know there will be hell to pay for that, many people are disatisfied with the game so the forums will be a mess.
I am not exactly a happy camper, but I still want to see Star Trek Online succeed and become the best it can be for you guys. In my opinion this will take years and by that time the next best thing will be out. This also is part of the tension on the forums I believe.
Bottom line the game was released early, we have to weather this storm that Cryptic created one way or another.
Remember to be nice to your neighbors and enjoy your hall pass
um.. i also state how much of nerd *I* am!
i like you.
well said.
I lol'd!
What a crappy job
but if i did that, you wouldnt be posting in my thread.
i guess i just wanted to see a few of the reasonable people post... to see a few people that are actually constructive and not destructive.
my desire has been fulfilled.
also, the forums change drastically once you get away from the 'common' areas into the specific areas... the class/ship forums are BRIMMING with very smart, very insightful resources of information and theorycraft. maybe i just need to stay away from the 'General' forums.
I expected a Star Trek MMO, not a Star Trek combat simulator with a attached First Person Shooter using bots (Solo PVE) or no bots (group PVE and PVP).
But at least that First Person Shooter is fun. Honesly I don't need space combat, I am enjoying ground combat and that is the way I like it.
If they won't make a real MMO, at least i can play a semi-real FPS.
I actually have playing video games on my work load form. Sadly, not this one.