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Has there been an increase in players not ready for elite tfos playing?
nixie50
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I'm curious, with the decision to lock components for the advanced consoles behind the elite TFO wall, are there more players going there even though they are not ready? I'm not even sure how the mechanic is working, are the components drops like the old salvaged tech from the bad old Omega rep days? Seems like STO is regressing to policies that did not work in the past, having to go to email to get exchange stuff, going to TFOs to get the parts for consoles.... seems like it's time to party like it's 2012
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It is a weird decision to lock them behind elite TFOs though. I presume the idea is to frustrate lesser-geared people into just buying the R&D packs for zen.
They are a nice dilithium sink with the randomness of the mod pool though.
I have mixed feelings about that. Most ground TFO's are going fine unless people don't know what to do in Brotherhood of the Sword and premature think they can click consoles before (advanced optionals) are over. However Space is total different story. Sometimes you get lucky and you got 1 or 2 good players but I have seen more then my fair share of people who shouldn't even play advanced and they leech their way through if possible. While I like the idea of getting something of value for doing Elite TFO's, I hate the fact that alot of people just think they can leech their way through on other peoples build. It wouldn't be so bad if it its just 1 here and there or maybe 2 but most of the time its more.
You are not guaranteed those Materials either and I don't understand why they not drop as random instead of you have to go for a specific chance of drop to a specific TFO. They could could have solved that better. But better probably means more work and more work can't do because the main income is selling ships in lock boxes...
In terms of elites, most all of them are doable with a basic set of mk xii very rare gear you can pick up from story missions and a very basic understanding of mechanics and DPS. You don't need to know every little nook and cranny of the game, but you do at least need to know a few basics.
Far as DPS builds go, the more resources you can invest the easier time you'll have for the most part. Anyone can make a DPS build though as they're not secrets, despite what sometimes seems like people clutching their pearls to keep it that way. If folks want/need build help I'm glad to provide what I can.
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I don't agree with the mk xii very rare for instances which are timed. Like Infected at the beginning if everybody in there had the basic knowledge and mk xii very rare I don't think that there is enough time to destroy everything. I might be wrong though. Basic knowledge I can agree on, I see lots of that lacking since I played those elite TFO's. Though some people just leech their way through to get the stuff.
you have to conform to the way they think you have to play or you don't get the toys.
This is a total inverse of that argument a few weeks back about Elite players face rolling normal tfo for the events. Now it's normal players destroying elites and stopping the progress.
Not saying that anyone here currently was making the argument that players can play how they want and not raise their dps to a minimum standard. Just saying it's actually pretty detrimental, to right out destructive, that these "casual" non dps players are actually bringing harm to others. When the inverse of high dps players weren't hurting them other then their feelings, I suppose?
It's pretty funny because it destorys the "Argument" that players don't have to persue dps in some manner, but can play how they want. Well, if thats the case, shouldn't they ignore the advanced consoles and just play normal and advanced and not persue dps consoles? Then once that is asked, the goal post will be moved and the argument will be reversed because it really didn't make sense in the first place and wasn't a good faith discussion. Well not like it matters either way to me personally since i have 7 of all the consoles to Epic from elite runs and playing the market long ago anyhow.
So I've got no dog in the fight. I just think it's funny that normal players that argued they didn't need dps are now clamouring to get the dps consoles that they said they don't really need in the first place. Thus proving they need dps or desire it in some manner or else they wouldn't ruin or care to enter elites
Also, it don't think it's some conspiracy as many players are eluding to. A nefarious scheme of some sort.
I am sure these items are and were deliberately designed to be in the hands of High DPSer's to make them rethink the value of released lock box and promo ships, since they are the games best evangelist. They make the youtube content, stock the wiki, write the reddit's and inform the community of the value of traits, consoles, and ships. Which, like it or not, does influence the masses. which in turn opens some wallets.
These consoles were more then likely made to expand the catalog of "Good" Ships based on dps to include many of the hero ships that are heavy Engineering and Miracle worker. So ships like the Parliament, or the Texas, or even the Connie three that are engineering heavy, can be pulled off the trash heap and rearranged in the zeitgeist. Overnight the MW Flight Deck Cruisers became the best carriers in the game again. The science ones are still... trash compared to the other science R and D consoles, so they need to work on that, but so far the Engineering ones definitely changed the "Meta" and ship choices for DPS over night.
It's advertisement through action and not words.
Everyone is allowed to play as they choose to. For me I chose to play less TFO's and more patrols so that I can play as I want to without negatively impacting anyone else's enjoyment of the game. My intention of this post is to voice my opinion, no offense intended towards anyone.
You don't need the new consoles, you want them but you don't need them. There are far better options from just fleet consoles that one can get. Right now the mats go for absurd amounts of EC because they're still new and there isn't an adequate supply to keep the prices low like there is with salvaged technology.
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Which probably means that, yes, more players who aren't ready for it are queueing for it as well. Just like with advanced.
People seem to think they can just do the same thing they do on advanced. Take Azure Nebula for example: instead of helping with releasing beams, they fly off immediately after the fight, only to get themselves killed (and, thus, dropping the damage potential of the team in the meantime too).
Not healing the teammate who's taking all the damage is another example. Player gets destroyed, the team temporarily loses his DPS. And the next player becomes a target, which he might have prevented if he had supported his teammate.
I've only been in ISE once or twice and luckily it didn't happen then, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are also people trying to solo one side there, instead of sticking with the team (or being on probe duty for example).
Now, of course there are people who can actually solo a big part of an elite mission. But most players who try, actually can't. And, thus, shouldn't try. To quote a few elite players on here: it's a team effort.
Their prices will drop. As with most things.
It's just that there is very high demand for the latest shiny, and very little supply as all the materials had yet to be obtained. With fresh demand for new consoles declining as people fill up their ships (or decide the consoles are not worth it) and supply of materials increasing over time, prices will come down.
Also, they're not really 'high' as of right now. They used to be a lot more expensive. Which isn't strange either, as with the contents of the infinity box, it's a very small group supplying the stuff for everyone.
That does not guarantee success. Those people from randoms are from fleets and I would not want to run Elites with them if they were in my fleet. Only if I know I have enough people to complete the task with then I can pull 1 or 2 depending on what map maybe 3. Saying joining a fleet is the solution is nonsense.
On a different note, I didn't even notice a high level of unprepareness, but I also wait a very long time to get my TFOs of choice poppin', so most of my time is still spent playing advanced randoms. Less hassle and the "money" is better.
i was also getting about 50% droprate till last night, since yesterday droprate went down to 1 out of 9 but havent seen any report on reduced droprate, anyone have same experience?
The answer remains the same as before - Namely, if you feel the need to participate in Elite TFOs, do so with people you know and have played with before. Do not expect random players to be either geared correctly or knowledgeable enough.
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Here is a question I have not seen anyone has asked yet:
Another question follows from this one:
There are people within my Fleet who have decided to do everything they can to acquire this new gear. Yet they still play STO just as badly as they did the day before this Fancy Dan stuff was released. One of them crafted a Console and gave it to me. I used it once. I thought it was interesting. But no more than that. The use of the console did not make a significant improvement in any part of how I use that particular build. The improvements it did make were minor and something I could accomplish without the console. The batteries offer two improvements each. But they do not last any longer than the batteries I currently use.
I looked at the requirements for acquiring the needed materials to make more of these consoles and batteries. I decided the return on investment is not good enough. So I will not spend Zen or Dilithium on any of it. If you want to monetize the R&D packs, Cryptic, I have no issue with you doing so. But I do think you could have made better, smarter choices than this one.
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Imho it was meant to reshuffle the deck on the current hero ships that are all being mothballed because they are not optimal with DPS builds. So you can slot these, 5-7 and can bring enough dps to bear on the target that you can explore new builds on new ships.
If you're a casual player, or a normal player, then the use you get out of these will be minimal in regards to builds, but i also believe you will benefit more from these consoles then DPS'ers because the majority of ships casual players fly are cruisers. And from all the runs and parses i've done so far, these consoles are better.
You can easily pick up crit chance in bridge officers, Duty officers, Belluim and or traits like terran goodbye to replace lost crit chance, and there are a slue of crit damage buffs all over the place so there's no lose there, but that power level that's hard to come by and the builds you can make from it are open world. How it can easily open up traits and such that you haven't used in a while or before, it's actually a master class in redesigning the game around your weakness's imposed on you by legal restraints.
From what ive seen so far, these consoles, the eng weapon ones, over perform tac's just a touch, but they also open up a lot in way of new and exotic builds, which allows us to use lost traits to find a new meta
I suspect what you meant was the opposite of what you actually said.
and yet you cannot log into the game without getting spammed by fleet invites. which REALLY pisses me off when I happen to be engaged in a battle.
when it happens like that my inner Groucho comes forth:
“I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member”
― Groucho Marx