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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    edited March 2023
    Picard's used to being in command. He pulled the same TRIBBLE aboard La Sirena. Riker was correct to dismiss him from the bridge - now he needs Seven back as the first officer, as she's familiar with the capabilities of this Titan and may be able to suggest strategies neither a retired admiral nor a captain of a completely different ship would think of.

    Loved Worf's introduction speech, too.
    I am Worf, son of Mogh, of House Martok. Son of Sergei, of House Rozshenko. Slayer of Gowron. Bane of House Duras. I have made chamomile tea. Do you take sugar with yours?
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    Surprised he didn't serve prune juice.​​
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    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Did anyone else notice the alarm that sounded on the bridge towards the end of yesterday's episode? I immediately paused the show, jumped up, and shouted "That's the alarm from Alien!" 🤣 I guess during the Refit they borrowed some parts from the Nostromo.
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    Can they even do that? I'm fairly sure sounds can be copywritten or trademarked just like uniforms, badges, names, species, etc..​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Can they even do that? I'm fairly sure sounds can be copywritten or trademarked just like uniforms, badges, names, species, etc..​​

    It might have been a stock sound, like the infamous Wilhelm Scream, in which case anyone could use it.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    Can they even do that? I'm fairly sure sounds can be copywritten or trademarked just like uniforms, badges, names, species, etc..​​
    Apparently not - Harley-Davidson tried to trademark the sound of a Harley engine, but the application failed.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    So, now we know why Shaw is such a jerk to Picard and Seven specifically. Now, why is he a jerk to everyone else? :smile:
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    Let me guess - he was a Wolf 359 survivor?​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    yistaanyistaan Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2023
    I'm enjoying the show. The acting is great, writing is hit or miss. I had a hard time getting past a couple of things in E3.

    First -
    Beverly doesn't tell Picard about Jack because she wants to protect him, then they go full on med-merc and spend 20 years flying around bad neighborhoods in a puny glorified shuttle by themselves. It's non-sensical.
    My personal belief (which might never be confirmed or contradicted in the show itself) is that
    Beverly is lying. She's no longer attracted to Picard and is creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    Can they even do that? I'm fairly sure sounds can be copywritten or trademarked just like uniforms, badges, names, species, etc..​​

    There are a lot of sounds that are in the public domain, and others which are not expensive to buy access to. After playing Arena and Daggerfall for so long the standard sounds from the games like the "squeaky hinged wooden door" and other sounds from them in movies and TV shows really stand out.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    yistaan wrote: »
    I'm enjoying the show. The acting is great, writing is hit or miss. I had a hard time getting past a couple of things in E3.

    First -
    Beverly doesn't tell Picard about Jack because she wants to protect him, then they go full on med-merc and spend 20 years flying around bad neighborhoods in a puny glorified shuttle by themselves. It's non-sensical.
    My personal belief (which might never be confirmed or contradicted in the show itself) is that
    Beverly is lying. She's no longer attracted to Picard and is creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.
    Sorry, that was contradicted this week. Turned out to be more a matter of poor timing than anything else.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    Let me guess - he was a Wolf 359 survivor?​​
    Oh, he has a great speech about it.
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    thorodalthorodal Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Let me guess - he was a Wolf 359 survivor?​​
    Oh, he has a great speech about it.

    As great as that speech was and how relatable it made him, can we just acknowledge how awesome that "...to seek out new life..."-scene was? :'(

    (Also: Can we get a variation of the tractor beam skill in STO that allows us to throw random stuff at enemies as well? o:) )
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    thorodal wrote: »
    Also: Can we get a variation of the tractor beam skill in STO that allows us to throw random stuff at enemies as well? o:)

    Oh I'm sure that will happen, either as a console or as a new lockbox BOff ability.
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    yistaanyistaan Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    yistaan wrote: »
    I'm enjoying the show. The acting is great, writing is hit or miss. I had a hard time getting past a couple of things in E3.

    First -
    Beverly doesn't tell Picard about Jack because she wants to protect him, then they go full on med-merc and spend 20 years flying around bad neighborhoods in a puny glorified shuttle by themselves. It's non-sensical.
    My personal belief (which might never be confirmed or contradicted in the show itself) is that
    Beverly is lying. She's no longer attracted to Picard and is creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.
    Sorry, that was contradicted this week. Turned out to be more a matter of poor timing than anything else.

    I didn't see anything in 'No Win Situation' that contradicted anything I said. Jack was acting on his own in that bar scene flashback.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    yistaan wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    yistaan wrote: »
    I'm enjoying the show. The acting is great, writing is hit or miss. I had a hard time getting past a couple of things in E3.

    First -
    Beverly doesn't tell Picard about Jack because she wants to protect him, then they go full on med-merc and spend 20 years flying around bad neighborhoods in a puny glorified shuttle by themselves. It's non-sensical.
    My personal belief (which might never be confirmed or contradicted in the show itself) is that
    Beverly is lying. She's no longer attracted to Picard and is creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.
    Sorry, that was contradicted this week. Turned out to be more a matter of poor timing than anything else.

    I didn't see anything in 'No Win Situation' that contradicted anything I said. Jack was acting on his own in that bar scene flashback.

    Well, nothing except body language and implications from the dialog anyway...
    Sure, it is possible the initial breakup could have involved a small sliver of creep-out since Picard was in a dark place and it may have reminded her of Locutus or whatever, but overall it is more the classic "cop divorce" type schtick than anything else, where the feelings are still there but danger of the spouse's job becomes intolerable. Of course, that is rather ironic considering their personalities in TNG, especially since she moved on to things at least as dangerous as what he was doing, and he soon left the dangerous stuff he was doing and retired to bucolic farming.

    Either way, they establish well enough that after a while it became a case of both were just involved in things where they would not naturally cross paths and the longer they were apart the more awkward they felt a meeting would be. As for Jack, just look at his body language in the flashback and you can see the disillusionment clearly enough.

    It is nice to see that they have finally gotten away from the melodrama that DSC is still mired in and gotten back to well-done drama. In this season of PIC they even subtly poke fun at the melodrama that has characterized NuTrek, which I would guess to be part of Goldsman's (and probably Stuart's) influence on the show since Kurtzman has shown time and again that he wouldn't know subtle if it bit him in the behind.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    yistaan wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    yistaan wrote: »
    I'm enjoying the show. The acting is great, writing is hit or miss. I had a hard time getting past a couple of things in E3.

    First -
    Beverly doesn't tell Picard about Jack because she wants to protect him, then they go full on med-merc and spend 20 years flying around bad neighborhoods in a puny glorified shuttle by themselves. It's non-sensical.
    My personal belief (which might never be confirmed or contradicted in the show itself) is that
    Beverly is lying. She's no longer attracted to Picard and is creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.
    Sorry, that was contradicted this week. Turned out to be more a matter of poor timing than anything else.

    I didn't see anything in 'No Win Situation' that contradicted anything I said. Jack was acting on his own in that bar scene flashback.
    Jack was finally trying to meet his father. And he had the incredible bad luck to ask his question while Jean-Luc was trying to give inspirational speeches to a group of cadets/junior officers who had interrupted his lunch. Had he approached Jean-Luc at any other time, he'd have gotten a more thoughtful (and probably more encouraging) response, but he took the old man at his word and left.

    Beverly didn't discourage him - she just didn't want to go track her ex-boyfriend down, probably assuming Jean-Luc would try to parent the lad out of obligation rather than because he wanted to.
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    yistaanyistaan Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    yistaan wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    yistaan wrote: »
    I'm enjoying the show. The acting is great, writing is hit or miss. I had a hard time getting past a couple of things in E3.

    First -
    Beverly doesn't tell Picard about Jack because she wants to protect him, then they go full on med-merc and spend 20 years flying around bad neighborhoods in a puny glorified shuttle by themselves. It's non-sensical.
    My personal belief (which might never be confirmed or contradicted in the show itself) is that
    Beverly is lying. She's no longer attracted to Picard and is creeped out by him and doesn't want to be in a relationship with him, while telling him about Jack will guarantee she's tied to Picard more or less for life. So she purposely takes an isolated series of events out of context (note that every single incident she mentions is Romulan related, taking advantage of the chaos in Picard's life after he killed Praetor Shinzon, than anything actually representative of Picard's usual Starfleet life, much less the 15 years he spent quietly in France) to demonize Picard rather than just straight up admit she doesn't want to live with him or be in a relationship with him. People in real life do this all the time, demonizing someone to get out of having anything to do with them while making themselves look heroic for dumping/rejecting someone.
    Sorry, that was contradicted this week. Turned out to be more a matter of poor timing than anything else.

    I didn't see anything in 'No Win Situation' that contradicted anything I said. Jack was acting on his own in that bar scene flashback.
    Jack was finally trying to meet his father. And he had the incredible bad luck to ask his question while Jean-Luc was trying to give inspirational speeches to a group of cadets/junior officers who had interrupted his lunch. Had he approached Jean-Luc at any other time, he'd have gotten a more thoughtful (and probably more encouraging) response, but he took the old man at his word and left.

    Beverly didn't discourage him - she just didn't want to go track her ex-boyfriend down, probably assuming Jean-Luc would try to parent the lad out of obligation rather than because he wanted to.
    Just because Beverly didn't discourage Jack from meeting Jean-Luc doesn't preclude her from being creeped out by him and wanting nothing to do with him herself. It's pretty common in joint custody arrangements in divorce...
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    So Paramount+ had the first episode of season 3 for free on YouTube. I gave it a watch and was reminded why I gave up on this series in the first season. Despite all the obvious attempts at nostalgia, it still stunk in my opinion. What I have read and seen of various synopses and reviews as well as here in this thread, I still see I made the right decision in not watching it. So happy I still have all my old episodes of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise to enjoy. Kudos to everyone who enjoys this new stuff though.

    The first season of PIC was execrable melodramatic tripe with only a few good points, the second season toned down the melodrama a little (though it still had too much) and the scripts and storyline got a little better but was just off enough lore-and-style-wise to be in uncanny valley territory. So far, the third season comes across feeling-wise as somewhere between TNG and the TNG movies (closer to the movies) with only a little bit of the typical NuTrek distortions tainting it. It also has a strong "getting the band back together" vibe to it obviously.

    The problem with the first-episode-free thing is that PIC is a full-on serial so it is only one story stretched across the whole season and the only way to see the actual story is to watch the whole thing. None of the weekly segments can stand alone because they do not have all the threads or story progression phases that a traditional episode has.

    It would be better if they used a hybrid format (like arc-episodic) to make the first segment an episode able to stand on its own yet set up the plot for the season (which could shift to pure serial after that), but even now they barely have a handle on the serial format so it is probably just as well that they don't try to get that fancy as yet (they actually tried something like that in first season DSC and totally botched it).

    While I too prefer the traditional Treks (especially TOS) PIC season three actually has a lot of potential. Of course, they finally get a handle on it in the final season so unless there is a spinoff that potential will likely be wasted going forward, but that is how TV/Streaming works nowadays unfortunately.
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    annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,626 Arc User
    once again I have not watched anything other than the commercials on P+. I haven't even watched 1923 yet April 20 is the final episode, that's when i'll watch it, or try to. I just hope they have not screwed up the STO timelines too bad.. or that the STO writers are working on a timey whimey arc to fix all the TRIBBLE that Picard has done to the timeline
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    STO adjusts to fit TV. The game doesn't define the timeline, and the devs have said that if things go severely sideways on the show, STO will wind up in its own timeline, like the Kelvinverse.
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    disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    So how are you guys enjoying g wrath of kahn the next generation?
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    edited March 2023
    Yeah, why does S31 have Kirk's body in storage? Or Picard's, for that matter?

    And honestly, Will - you know full well you're fighting shapeshifters. What makes you think that's actually your wife there?

    (For that matter, I'm guessing that's why the Soong software guarding the station wanted Will to guess the tune and finish it - a Changeling wouldn't have known what Riker's first interaction with Data was. It was a security measure.)

    Jon's Post, supplemental: For that matter, there was a Genesis device standing by, ready to deploy. What could they have involving Picard's body and Jack Crusher that could possibly be worse for the Federation than using a Genesis torpedo on Earth during Frontier Day, when the President of the Federation (and possibly a large portion of the Council) will be there?
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    And how'd they get a Genesis Device to begin with? The only working prototype was destroyed aboard the Reliant, as was the data on how to build it...though, knowing S31, they probably had the 23rd-century version of a keylogger infecting Regula 1's computer.​​
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,050 Arc User
    edited March 2023


    Ok Was I the only one with tears in my eyes LOL

    Ok NOW I'm crying lol

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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,396 Arc User
    And how'd they get a Genesis Device to begin with? The only working prototype was destroyed aboard the Reliant, as was the data on how to build it...though, knowing S31, they probably had the 23rd-century version of a keylogger infecting Regula 1's computer.​​
    They wouldn't even need a keylogger - just a small device, easily mistaken for auxiliary data storage, that transmits a backup of the database two or three times a day across an encrypted subspace channel. S31 probably has one at every major research facility.
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    thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    So the Daystrom Institute has Section 31 items stored. A few questions I have.

    - Since Section 31 isn't supposed to exist, isn't this a tacit admission by Starfleet that they knew about Section 31 all along?
    - Since in canon Section 31 is portrayed as being a few moves ahead of the rest of us, shouldn't they have known about the Changeling threat to the Federation prior to it becoming a threat?
    - Shouldn't Section 31 be helping Admiral Picard reduce or eliminate the Changeling threat somehow? Either covertly or out in the open? The second one makes sense to me now that Section 31's cover is apparently blown.
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