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Did these ugly as F ships come from some episode I am unaware? I am trying to find out who the designer is for these catastrophically ugly ship designs. I wouldn't be so upset if it wasn't for some good stats for some of these ships that are totally wasted because I will not buy or drive the ugly things for any reason. Seriously, sideline the artist and have him/her work on spreadsheets for the rest of his/her life...
Seriously, I'm not trolling here, who the heck thought these were "cool"? What is their origin?
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Chargh
Did these ugly as F ships come from some episode I am unaware? I am trying to find out who the designer is for these catastrophically ugly ship designs. I wouldn't be so upset if it wasn't for some good stats for some of these ships that are totally wasted because I will not buy or drive the ugly things for any reason. Seriously, sideline the artist and have him/her work on spreadsheets for the rest of his/her life...
Seriously, I'm not trolling here, who the heck thought these were "cool"? What is their origin?
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Edit your post so as not to be so flaming. Put the flame thrower down. There's a a lot of ships in game that do look ugly but have good stats and are fun to fly.
The Sarcophagus Came from Ep 3 S1 of Discovery Battle at the Binary Stars
You don't have to like all ships in game canon or not.
Other examples of Ugly ships but are fun to fly are The Breen Rezreth that looks like a flying lobster and the new Romulan Praetor from S1 of Strange New Worlds That has been compared to a flying goose.
I should have added "Did you even google?" to my post.
I can't stand most of the KDF ships, but even I understand Klingons ain't high on good looks.
I think Breen ships are horribly ugly and look like flying office blocks. I'm also aware that some folks like them. Same for the spiny flaming Fek'Irhi ships. That's why I don't fly them - plenty of variety out there, so I don't need those. Some people like 'em, so they fly 'em. It's a big sky, plenty of room for all types out there.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Please refrain from the flamethrower. If you wish to express your dislike, there are better ways than demanding someone's job and going on a micro rant. And please edit your post to be less flame post.
Never thought of Breen ships looking like office blocks, but now that you mention it: I can't say I disagree.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
I named a Rezreth after Volvagia from Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, painted it red as much as I could, and gave it the Terran Rep Disruptors for a lava beam look. Haven't flown her for a while but it was fun to do that.
I actually looted the Sarcophagus from my first Discovery Lockbox, and mind you, I was actually very happy to get that "Ugly as F" ship, as you placed it.
Tastes and colors, my good man...
Only seen the first season of Discovery and wasn't very impressed. I don't find these ships particularly ugly though. There is a lot worse out there in STO...land.
Oh and just to be a pedant, you don't drive these ships, you fly them. They don't have wheels! 😊
Do the two things necessarily exclude each other?
I mean, Vulcans are logical beings, yet they are also said to enjoy beauty. Surely a warrior can appreciate it when his weapons are aesthetically pleasing?
See for example the way some Bat'leth's are adorned.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
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What does God need with a Starship?
Couldn't resist.
Putting it in the game is understandable, it is a canon ship from SNW. The real headscratcher is why SNW put the silly thing it in the show...
What does Q need with a throne?
If he's omnipresent, he's more not sitting in it than he is sitting in it.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
I'd like a pretty ship if I were a warrior.
For TMP Andrew Probert took the cold war allegory to heart for the K't'inga class and made the details on its hull somewhat reminiscent of the raw, oldschool, almost bolted-together heavy-industry look of Soviet warships of the '60s and '70s.
Considering our lack of TOS Romulan designs... I suppose they had to come up with new designs that tried to fit in with the design philosophy that had been established. I think they may have used the T'varo and T'liss as a baseline to work off of, with maybe some Mogai and D'Deridex as well.
There aren't that many canon Romulan ships.
Except for those ridiculous broom things on the headwear.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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To a degree yes, though all you need to is look at the various cultures in Modern Day Real Life Earth to notice that aesthetics are highly subjective even within the same species, let alone between different species.
Where else would you keep your horse brush in an outfit without pockets?
Seriously though, the ships were always supposed to reflect the cultures that built them, and they do that rather well for the most part.
The Klingons were rather straightforward, the menacing "Space Mongols" with a pinch of Orwellianism on the side, the Federation had its upbeat futuristic ivory towers feel which was also not too complex, but the Romulans were the most complex of the big three powers because it was in flux during TOS, which complicates the design language when trying to make the ships as representative as the other two powers.
While everyone thinks of the Roman part, the Romulans were actually, at their core, the analogy for the crew and situation of the WWII German U-boat in The Enemy Below. It was DC Fontana who suggested to the writer to layer on some parallels with ancient Rome in order to sell the idea to Roddenberry (who had a thing for Romans), which he did by calling them "Romulans" and using terms like "Centurian" instead of the "Overlieutenant" and "XO" that was in the original draft, and the script sold.
The dialog between the Romulan Commander and the Centurian makes it fairly plain that their society was militaristic but relatively free and honorable not too long ago (in the view of someone with the long lifespan of a Romulan anyway), but recently corruption has set in at the governmental level and is tearing the old society apart and creating something that the two old officers are not at all happy with.
Additionally, in The Enterprise Incident it is mentioned that the Romulans are a "poor but proud" people. In TOS the measure of wealth was dilithium (and it makes sense since it often said that it unlocks "almost unlimited energy"), so that means that the Romulans probably settled an area that was low on dilithium resources.
In fact, while it is not actually talked about in dialog, in hindsight it would make a very realistic reason for the Romulans to have been pushing into the area of what would become the Federation back before the Romulan war, they were probably trying to secure better and easier to exploit sources of dilithium than Remus and whatever other (probably as poor quality and nasty to mine, or worse) sources they had already, and they knew for sure dilithium was more common in that direction since they came from Vulcan originally.
Between the two episodes it is heavily implied that the Romulans developed the cloak because they could not afford to take on one of the other two main powers toe-to-toe and so had to use stealth (and a devastating WMD from surprise) as a force multiplier.
Also, the dialog in Balance of Terror specifically makes it fairly plain that up until then they were on a defensive footing on the Federation (and presumably Klingon) border(s) but aggressively pushing their other borders (though apparently still not finding enough dilithium to give their economy the shot it needed to compete with the other two without the force multipliers), and also apparently the need was great enough for the corrupt new government leaders to order a test of Federation resolve.
With all that, it is probable that they would have to walk a razors edge between the benefits of new tech's energy efficiency and the energy cost of building new instead of recycling the older stuff. I would suspect that their fleet would be a mix of old as dirt ships upgraded and modified piecemeal, ships they could capture/salvage or maybe buy or trade for, and a few brand-new ones. That horde that showed up in SNW looked too uniform and too new, and above all too many, to be very believable.
The Warbird from Balance of Terror looked rather quaintly old and had that blunted and slightly uneven look that very old armored vehicles acquire for instance, despite it having a brand-new prototype weapon fitted into it. And whatever it had for an FTL drive (which it must have had or would have taken at least three or four years to attack those outposts which were spaced a lightyear apart from each other according to the onscreen map), it was something Scotty did not recognize as such.
Some things that support that theory are the fact that they did start using Klingon hulls at one point (and undoubtedly their warp drives at least for a while since Enterprise had to go to warp 8 to outrun the Romulan D7s), and the female Romulan Commander's command ship used decade-old Federation MARS displays (though missing their goosenecks) for internal communication.