Upgrade Shuttle craft

gerbil · October 2022

It looks like there was a whole other part of STO that used Shuttle craft but its been neglected for years and there are some good designs I'd like to use. I think the shuttles need to be turned into full star ships, I don't think anything else can be done with them.

rattler2 · October 2022

Shuttles aren't as capable as a full size starship. That is already reflected by their limited capabilities.

The problem is we have a lack of things to DO with said shuttles. We used to have Shuttle events that had shuttle versions of various TFOs like Fleet Alert. That one was pretty much the only 20 man that was likely to pop when it was around.

And I still want a TNG Type 6 available in game. Maybe even the Type 11 and Scout vessel from Insurrection.

spiritborn · October 2022

rattler2 wrote: »

Shuttles aren't as capable as a full size starship. That is already reflected by their limited capabilities.

The problem is we have a lack of things to DO with said shuttles. We used to have Shuttle events that had shuttle versions of various TFOs like Fleet Alert. That one was pretty much the only 20 man that was likely to pop when it was around.

And I still want a TNG Type 6 available in game. Maybe even the Type 11 and Scout vessel from Insurrection.

That scout ship could possibly count as very small starship (like the T'Pau) or a very large shuttle (it seemed bigger then a Runabout IIRC).

The others would be shuttles though and yeah it would be nice to get those even if there's only very little shuttle content.

rattler2 · October 2022

Well... here she is, with a Type 11 from the Enterprise.
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I think the main reason she looks bigger than a runabout, is that the cockpit viewports are more like that of a fighter, set up for a single seat configuration rather than the typical dual seat of shuttles and runabouts. So I'd say she's more comparable to a runabout or even a Captain's Yatch.

And for reference, that is not perspective. At this point in the encounter, the shuttle has attached to the underside of the Venture class Scout for boarding, so the two craft are physically connected to each other and Data tried to shake them loose.

gerbil · October 2022

I'm not thinking so much from an In universe perspective than simply wanting to use some shuttle craft in more parts of the game. If I thought we were getting some kind of shuttle overhaul that would be one thing but it just looks like they were abandoned so just giving them star ship stats would let players use them in-game again.

fleetcaptain5 · October 2022

Turning shuttles into full T6 starships would be a bit too much, in my opinion.

Of course they could come up with some excuse as to why a thing the size of a shuttle can be as powerful as a full starship - but then you can't escape the question: why isn't that same technology applied to actual starships then, making those even more powerful?

At best, they should be something like a T3 or T4 ship. Decent and better than what they are now, but not as good as an actual starship.

As for content: they should bring back missions like Shuttle Fleet Alert sometime. Those were quite fun to play and a welcome change to playing regular ship content.

gerbil · October 2022

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

Turning shuttles into full T6 starships would be a bit too much, in my opinion.

Of course they could come up with some excuse as to why a thing the size of a shuttle can be as powerful as a full starship - but then you can't escape the question: why isn't that same technology applied to actual starships then, making those even more powerful?

At best, they should be something like a T3 or T4 ship. Decent and better than what they are now, but not as good as an actual starship.

As for content: they should bring back missions like Shuttle Fleet Alert sometime. Those were quite fun to play and a welcome change to playing regular ship content.

maybe release Holo-projectors that just turn your ship into the desired shuttle craft? The Latnum exchange already has a bunch that change your character and ship and we may get a copy of one directly from the shuttle craft we unlock? I just want to use shuttles and T-1\4 ships in late game.

spiritborn · October 2022

corinthalas wrote: »

They can keep the restricted weapon slots, and limited station counts (but they should all have two stations). Then expand all shuttle station ranks based on captain level, the way T6 ships do. That gives multiple shuttles in the game a niche to fill within their own niche: some are focused on tac, others are focused on sci, while most are focused on eng. And players will actually have something to do instead twiddling their thumbs while the weapons auto-fire.

Personally I also made so that all small craft have inherent pilot spec.

telbasta7386 · October 2022

What's funny is that some hangar pets which are based on flyable shuttlecraft are much, much stronger than those shuttlecraft. There are hangar shuttles with multiple forward and rear weapons, and a slew of abilities they can use, while every shuttle we've got access to is limited to 2 weapons, 3 consoles, and 1-2 abilities via boff stations.

On a semi-related note, my main character's shuttlecraft is a tholian widow fighter, and I've set up a full radiation build on it that can get it through patrols and normal TFO's pretty easily. Obviously it doesn't have the damage output or versatility of a starship, but for a shuttle it's pretty dang strong.

gerbil · October 2022

The shuttles aren't the thing that got me thinking about it but they are probably the easiest to do something about if we want. Maybe we don't have to make them T-6 but maybe they can be made competitive enough that we could do something more with them than we can now?

rattler2 · October 2022

I think the biggest thing that can make shuttles viable again... is to just bring back the old Shuttle Event versions of things. Shuttle Fleet Alert was QUITE popular, and having 20 shuttles swarming large capital ships AND WINNING is always entertaining.

Frankly I used to listen to Star Fox music while flying around in my Aeon during that.

Shuttle combat can be hectic, but its also pretty fun when you're not the only shuttle.

Part of the fun of a shuttle is having to pick what to put on her. IMO a shuttle with the full Cardassian console set is interesting, but on the other hand a shuttle with the Point Defense console is also entertaining, and safer from hostile shuttles.

Decisions, decisions... silly combos on a shuttle.

gerbil · October 2022

There's probably a reason they haven't done a shuttle event in a while. If we might be able to get some of this other content happening again that would be great but baring that, I really don't think there is a major issue just turning them in to starships. Isn't there some test server we can run experimental stuff through?

davefenestrator · October 2022

Your fun is not wrong, but I'd vote for shuttles staying shuttles and bringing back shuttle events.

gerbil · October 2022

davefenestrator wrote: »

Your fun is not wrong, but I'd vote for shuttles staying shuttles and bringing back shuttle events.

Why did they stop doing shuttle events, were they that unpopular? I wouldn't have much of a problem if there was more to do with shuttles.

rattler2 · October 2022

gerbil#9687 wrote: »

Why did they stop doing shuttle events, were they that unpopular? I wouldn't have much of a problem if there was more to do with shuttles.

Not really sure. I could try asking about it though.

protoneous · October 2022

gerbil#9687 wrote: »

Isn't there some test server we can run experimental stuff through?

There is the Tribble Test server for PC players and you can experiment with a variety of things. Once you're there go to Drozana Station and find the special console on the back wall across from the bank for access to things such as unlimited respecs, upgades, and ways to complete reputations. Access to Tribble is via a separate download on the game launcher.

https://arcgames.com/en/my/character/copy/sto

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Tribble_(server)

https://arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11237543-test-your-ship-builds-on-tribble%21

ltminns · October 2022

If you did 'Atmospheric Assault' on Advanced during the Event you could clear over 300 Marks with the Daily Bonus. Perhaps they thought that was roo generous.

They may also have issues with people not being able to switch to the Shuttle. My current Main was one of my first Characters and when I started playing the Character again last year, even though I had a Delta Flyer it would not indicate that I had a Shuttle. Could not Beam up to the Shuttle, 'Atmospheric Assault' was grayed out and other things. When I added another Shuttle to my Roster (Aeon) everything cleared up. It's like the Delta Flyer, though in the Shuttle Section of my Roster, was being treated as a Starship.

Upgrade Shuttle craft

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