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nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
Looks like each Endeavor perk is now expanded from 20 points to 25 points.

Also, all the extra playing since I maxed it out a year ago resulted in 88 perk points waiting to be spent. So, not enough to prefill all of them, but enough for me to fill the SPACE points completely and then some of the GROUND stuff I care about (really just kits and run speed).
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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    ...if the Prophets will rando-allow me to do so. IF
  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    Already having to pick way more ground stuff than I want. I forgot how awful/random this endeavor system is for spending th perk points.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,177 Arc User
    This feels like the wrong way to expand Endeavours. It would have been wiser to add new perk categories like Hanger pet health, hanger pet damage and other new ones. The current Endeavours are already high enough.
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,782 Arc User
    Well that was totally unnecessary.

    And indeed, I had spent 580 (left 20 unused) and have 32 more to allocate now.

    They need to reconsider this. All it will do is continuously widen the gap between older players (who shouldn't need those boosts) and newer ones (to whom they might be useful, but who will spend an eternity collecting them).

    And perhaps it will bring closer the day everything is nerfed again to compensate for the power creep. Sigh.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,111 Arc User
    Well that was totally unnecessary.

    And indeed, I had spent 580 (left 20 unused) and have 32 more to allocate now.

    They need to reconsider this. All it will do is continuously widen the gap between older players (who shouldn't need those boosts) and newer ones (to whom they might be useful, but who will spend an eternity collecting them).

    And perhaps it will bring closer the day everything is nerfed again to compensate for the power creep. Sigh.

    It was done because too many maxed out, and weren't doing Endeavour content (and they somehow IMO wrongly think that affects pop times for TFOs, reduces player engagement with the game, etc.); so they provide more incentive for players to do them.
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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    Turns out, I got 44 more points after the initial 88 after I logged into a different toon.

    Now, all but 14 endeavor points out of new 750 max --- 736 total spent as of now for me.
  • michaelsdstmichaelsdst Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    Terrible power creep...
    GIVE US THE TYPHOON! Enough said...
  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    nccmark wrote: »
    Turns out, I got 44 more points after the initial 88 after I logged into a different toon.

    Now, all but 14 endeavor points out of new 750 max --- 736 total spent as of now for me.

    Well, I'm irritated. I've probably missed only a handful of Endeavors since it began. I maxed out at 600 almost as soon soon as it was possible. I still do daily Endeavors and only periodically skip the Universal. I only had 7 points. While I can imagine that I might not have all 88 points, I must have more than 7.

    As soon as I can logon from the server disconnects, I guess I'll try another alt to see if I get more.
  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    nccmark wrote: »
    Turns out, I got 44 more points after the initial 88 after I logged into a different toon.

    Now, all but 14 endeavor points out of new 750 max --- 736 total spent as of now for me.

    Well, I'm irritated. I've probably missed only a handful of Endeavors since it began. I maxed out at 600 almost as soon soon as it was possible. I still do daily Endeavors on only periodically skip the Universal. I only had 7 points. While I can imagine that I might not have all 88 points, I must have more than 7.

    As soon as I can logon from the server disconnects, I guess I'll try another alt to see if I get more.

    Yeah, wondering if it's connected to various characters completing endeavors. Shouldn't be that way, but .......
    I intend to cycle through other characters, once they e-patch whatever is going wrong in this first hour.
  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,183 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    This feels like the wrong way to expand Endeavours. It would have been wiser to add new perk categories like Hanger pet health, hanger pet damage and other new ones. The current Endeavours are already high enough.
    Yeah that's like adding fuel to the fire of powercreep. Like 10% crit chance isn't enough no now we need 12.5 and in a few months we go up to 15%. How about we look for new ways to spend these points without putting more and more in the same categories until we all have 100% crit and 100% survivability.

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  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,183 Arc User
    Well that was totally unnecessary.

    And indeed, I had spent 580 (left 20 unused) and have 32 more to allocate now.

    They need to reconsider this. All it will do is continuously widen the gap between older players (who shouldn't need those boosts) and newer ones (to whom they might be useful, but who will spend an eternity collecting them).

    And perhaps it will bring closer the day everything is nerfed again to compensate for the power creep. Sigh.

    It was done because too many maxed out, and weren't doing Endeavour content (and they somehow IMO wrongly think that affects pop times for TFOs, reduces player engagement with the game, etc.); so they provide more incentive for players to do them.

    Being maxed out also prevents certain recruit objectives from being possible to complete. That's why they increased the cap last time -- some KDF recruits couldn't do their endeavor objectives.
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    This feels like the wrong way to expand Endeavours. It would have been wiser to add new perk categories like Hanger pet health, hanger pet damage and other new ones. The current Endeavours are already high enough.

    Agreed. Adding *NEW* perks would have been far more interesting than adding more ranks to existing ones.

    True but stupidity on their part. They could have made the recruits without something like the endeavours where they should have know that some people might had them already done.

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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    Wasn't expecting this. And it wasn't really necessary either. The last thing this game needs is more power creep. Turns out I'm already at 743/750 and can now obliterate my enemies 1.701 seconds faster than before... yay...
  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    szim wrote: »
    Wasn't expecting this. And it wasn't really necessary either. The last thing this game needs is more power creep. Turns out I'm already at 743/750 and can now obliterate my enemies 1.701 seconds faster than before... yay...

    At an estimated 84,150/week max Endeavor points that about 34 weeks of points. Were you doing them diligently daily? I'm really hoping I find an alt with full credit for all the Endeavors I've done. I specifically continued doing them in case they ever expanded.

    Also, I agree I would rather have had expanded categories, rather than increasing the caps - stuff like hanger pets or more life on ground combat pets, turrets, or quicker deployments/animations.

    EDIT: Well, I just went through all nine of my alts. I got a total of 39 points. I am incredibly disappointed given how much time and effort I continued to put into doing Endeavors just in case they ever expanded the system further. I've been grinding these and feel like completely wasted my time.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    szim wrote: »
    Wasn't expecting this. And it wasn't really necessary either. The last thing this game needs is more power creep. Turns out I'm already at 743/750 and can now obliterate my enemies 1.701 seconds faster than before... yay...

    At an estimated 84,150/week max Endeavor points that about 34 weeks of points. Were you doing them diligently daily? I'm really hoping I find an alt with full credit for all the Endeavors I've done. I specifically continued doing them in case they ever expanded.

    Also, I agree I would rather have had expanded categories, rather than increasing the caps - stuff like hanger pets or more life on ground combat pets, turrets, or quicker deployments/animations.

    EDIT: Well, I just went through all nine of my alts. I got a total of 39 points. I am incredibly disappointed given how much time and effort I continued to put into doing Endeavors just in case they ever expanded the system further. I've been grinding these and feel like completely wasted my time.

    I was doing them diligently, including all Universals. Should get something like 2 points every 3 days that way, just a tiny bit short. Finished just over 11 months ago, so should have had about 220 or so saved up. Found 1. ONE! It even told me that I had earned a point fairly often during the last 11 months, so it pretended that it was tracking all this time, but most certainly did not deliver. I made a thread for it here.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    Well, expanded categories means new coding rather than uping the max value of a Table Column.

    I maxed these out in January and relished the extra time. I will have to see how many built up points I have when I log in tonight

    This is what you get without Tribble and Patch Notes. Tweet from them feels like an old Columbo Episode. .. 'just one more thing'.



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  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    anodynes wrote: »
    szim wrote: »
    Wasn't expecting this. And it wasn't really necessary either. The last thing this game needs is more power creep. Turns out I'm already at 743/750 and can now obliterate my enemies 1.701 seconds faster than before... yay...

    At an estimated 84,150/week max Endeavor points that about 34 weeks of points. Were you doing them diligently daily? I'm really hoping I find an alt with full credit for all the Endeavors I've done. I specifically continued doing them in case they ever expanded.

    Also, I agree I would rather have had expanded categories, rather than increasing the caps - stuff like hanger pets or more life on ground combat pets, turrets, or quicker deployments/animations.

    EDIT: Well, I just went through all nine of my alts. I got a total of 39 points. I am incredibly disappointed given how much time and effort I continued to put into doing Endeavors just in case they ever expanded the system further. I've been grinding these and feel like completely wasted my time.

    I was doing them diligently, including all Universals. Should get something like 2 points every 3 days that way, just a tiny bit short. Finished just over 11 months ago, so should have had about 220 or so saved up. Found 1. ONE! It even told me that I had earned a point fairly often during the last 11 months, so it pretended that it was tracking all this time, but most certainly did not deliver. I made a thread for it here.

    While I may not have gotten to 220, I easily reached 150 since I was fairly diligent about doing all Endeavors every day. Good to know I am not the only one who seems to have gotten the short end of the stick. I doubt there is any way to do a ticket or anything - I mean, if it wasn't tracked, it wasn't tracked. If it were tracked, we'd both have our points. I'd really like to have my Endeavor points...
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Well I have 30 built up points and 17,318 already on the Track. So only 119 to do.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    ltminns wrote: »
    Well I have 30 built up points and 17,318 already on the Track. So only 119 to do.

    Oh, that's the other thing. My total endeavor experience remained the same until the one character that had a point popped up, then it went down to a new number. I then did today's Personal Endeavors and the experience did not change, even though chat messages for the earned experience happened. I get the feeling that something's stuck.
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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    nccmark wrote: »
    Turns out, I got 44 more points after the initial 88 after I logged into a different toon.

    Now, all but 14 endeavor points out of new 750 max --- 736 total spent as of now for me.
    .

    Got more endeavor perk points on three additional toons, so my current total is 749/750.

    Essentially, a two day wait from the date of the latest max increase to once again have them finished out.
    I won't be able to earn enough daily progress to actually finish tomorrow (Wednesday), but I will the day after (Thursday).

  • finsches123finsches123 Member Posts: 155 Arc User
    Since power creep doesn't seem to matter anymore, give us more skill points already! :)
  • timelords1701timelords1701 Member Posts: 556 Arc User
    Why was there no mention of this in last nights patch notes ???.
    I will admit i was a little slack for the first 6 months when this feature was originally added, but then realised the benefits.
    As of yesterday i had 1 space and 2 grounds left, with 3 perk points needed on each, it felt good to know i was coming to a completion on them, until i did tonights endeavours and realised the cap had been raised significantly.. :/
  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    nccmark wrote: »
    nccmark wrote: »
    Turns out, I got 44 more points after the initial 88 after I logged into a different toon.

    Now, all but 14 endeavor points out of new 750 max --- 736 total spent as of now for me.
    .

    Got more endeavor perk points on three additional toons, so my current total is 749/750.

    Essentially, a two day wait from the date of the latest max increase to once again have them finished out.
    I won't be able to earn enough daily progress to actually finish tomorrow (Wednesday), but I will the day after (Thursday).

    It really bothers me that there doesn't seem to be any explanation for why some people seem to have gotten full credit and others, like me, seem to have gotten so few Perk points.
  • p331p331 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    Did you by chance delete any characters that may have earned endeavor experience? Also did you do the endeavors primarily with one or two characters or spread it out across multiple characters?

    I pretty much did most of the endeavors daily after maxing out at 600 but the majority was only on a couple of characters. After going through all of my characters and opening the endeavor tab on all of them I had 149 perk points and less than 4000 xp to go for the last one. The first character I opened had 116 perk points.
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    p331 wrote: »
    Did you by chance delete any characters that may have earned endeavor experience? Also did you do the endeavors primarily with one or two characters or spread it out across multiple characters?

    I pretty much did most of the endeavors daily after maxing out at 600 but the majority was only on a couple of characters. After going through all of my characters and opening the endeavor tab on all of them I had 149 perk points and less than 4000 xp to go for the last one. The first character I opened had 116 perk points.

    I'm the most extreme case of missing points that's posted here, and I haven't deleted a character since before hitting the 600 cap, and have done >99% of the endeavors since on one character, with one other one picking up probably all of the others. A third possibly could have picked up one, but I doubt any more than that.
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  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    I was idle at max for over a year and did not care for accumulating the extra stuff. I was not aware that I could have kept on going and a slower pace to keep up with any future expansions.

    Well, lesson learned. I guess now when I hit Max will have to keep on going no matter what in case they decide to up to 1K endeavors sometime before the servers shut down.
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  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    p331 wrote: »
    Did you by chance delete any characters that may have earned endeavor experience? Also did you do the endeavors primarily with one or two characters or spread it out across multiple characters?

    I pretty much did most of the Endeavors daily after maxing out at 600 but the majority was only on a couple of characters. After going through all of my characters and opening the endeavor tab on all of them I had 149 perk points and less than 4000 xp to go for the last one. The first character I opened had 116 perk points.

    I haven't deleted any characters. I did the majority of the Endeavors on a KDF recruit alt until about a month ago when it finally finished reaching level 20 on all R&D. But, given how long ago I got to 600, I shouldn't have missed out on over 100 Perks points in less than a month of doing Endeavors on other alts.

    I'd say a solid 80% of the Endeavors were on that one alt. There were a few random ones that were just easier to complete - like Tour the Galaxy - on other alts.
  • p331p331 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    I wonder if the issue has something to do with the recruit. I did the majority of mine on a regular KDF Joined Trill.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Well when we eventually get the 'Gobstomping' Specialization one of my Characters has 27 built up Spec Points whit all others .maxed
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    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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