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jadizbanejadizbane Member Posts: 59 Arc User
When Russell T Davies brought Doctor Who back he wanted to do a cross over with Star Trek, what would it take to legally get the approval and do something like that in STO?

Worth considering?
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,309 Community Moderator
    As much as I love Doctor Who.... No.
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  • qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 988 Arc User
    There was a ten forward weekly about a year ago where kael said STO was working on a crossover presumably with some other sci-fi franchise, but it didn’t work out.

    Personally I prefer my Star Trek, Star Trek. But I would certainly play a one-off Dalek battle. Besides we already have Kal Dano and he is the doctor of STO…
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    Yeah bring on the Daleks!
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    Typhoon Class please!
  • bjorjlen#6464 bjorjlen Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    Actually, there is precedence for this... at least in comics & book. While there is actually several such crossover comics that have been published, the first one I ever saw was the first one, a black & white graphic book/novel way back in the late 70's I do believe. It involved the Tom Baker Dr Who having a "accident" with the TARDIS, which resulted in him entering the Star Trek universe during the original series. The Dr met Kirk, Spock, and the rest and instead of the Daleks, the story involved the Cybermen (also in the Star Trek universe).

    By the end of the book/novel, their threat had been ended, BUT the Cybermen had been marooned on a undisclosed planet in the Star Trek universe, which resulted in many, many centuries later, evolving into the... Borg! :) It was a very cool crossover, and it even showed what happened "if" Spock did a Mind Meld with the Dr. Lets say it didn't turn out well for Spock in the end (as the Dr IS passively telepathic as well; at least defensively wise). Again, it was a great crossover (with K9 no less), which led to the crossovers we have today, and certainly a collectors item. So in the end, it is doable. 😁

    Peace...
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,015 Community Moderator
    The problem I see is a legal one. It would require some serious negotiation with the owners of Dr. Who as well as Star Trek, including any crossover items made available for players.

    While Dr. Who did have a crossover event with another game, I think it was EVE, it would probably be harder to get anything more than comic book crossovers right now with Star Trek. Not even sure if they could do a show crossover right now.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,316 Arc User
    The cross-over between transformers and startrek or Star Trek/Gundam already brings shivers down my spine.
    While Doctor Who is interesting at times i feel it is also scientifically as absurd as Star Wars.

    I would prefer to keep them separate.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,015 Community Moderator
    Dr. Who is possible from a narative standpoint because its already been done in comics. And the kinda whacky nature of Dr. Who means its doable because technobabble.

    It would be just like how its relatively easy to do crossovers with Stargate. If the other side of the crossover doesn't take place on Earth, you got at least 2 GALAXIES worth of worlds to drop them into.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • bjorjlen#6464 bjorjlen Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    Totally agree @rattler2. However, as much as I would like to see such a crossover happen in STO, I very much doubt it would ever happen as those who own Dr Who atm (the BBC still?) tends to not share it except with comics and such, which is a literary medium and not a gaming one. We'd have more luck in seeing a crossover with Stargate, or heck Babylon 5, then Dr Who at this stage. And you can forget about Star Wars too, as both Star Wars & Star Trek (and the companies therein) have a long standing rivalry with each other that is not gonna end anytime soon. :)

    Peace...
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,015 Community Moderator
    EVE did have a Dr. Who event, but that isn't with an established IP like Star Trek.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    jadizbane wrote: »
    When Russell T Davies brought Doctor Who back he wanted to do a cross over with Star Trek, what would it take to legally get the approval and do something like that in STO?

    Worth considering?

    The NuTrek writers already turned every ship into a tardis and the watchers into knockoff time lords...don't need a crossover because they've basically already plagiarized Dr Who :D
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,451 Arc User
    I don't want a crossover with Doctor Who. Can be great in comics but I don't want it in STO.
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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,451 Arc User
    > @lianthelia said:
    > The NuTrek writers already turned every ship into a tardis and the watchers into knockoff time lords...don't need a crossover because they've basically already plagiarized Dr Who :D

    Inspiration does not equal plagiarism. The Watchers are a concept that has been around pre-Doctor Who.
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  • captainbrian11captainbrian11 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    > @lianthelia said:
    > The NuTrek writers already turned every ship into a tardis and the watchers into knockoff time lords...don't need a crossover because they've basically already plagiarized Dr Who :D

    Inspiration does not equal plagiarism. The Watchers are a concept that has been around pre-Doctor Who.

    as for ships having interiors that don't align with the exteriors thats nothing new eaither, Trek V has a particularly silly moment there as well
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,015 Community Moderator
    as for ships having interiors that don't align with the exteriors thats nothing new eaither, Trek V has a particularly silly moment there as well

    Oh yea... the turbolift shaft that has over 100 decks, in ASCENDING order, on a Connie that was in no way that tall.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    Depends on which Doctor, I stopped watching midway through the first episode with Jodie Whittaker, just found it to be a bit boring for a Doctor Who episode, personally if we do get the Doctor I would like to team up with Matt Smith.
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    The cross-over between transformers and startrek or Star Trek/Gundam already brings shivers down my spine.
    While Doctor Who is interesting at times i feel it is also scientifically as absurd as Star Wars.

    I would prefer to keep them separate.

    To be fair Star Wars is more of a Fantasy than a Sci-Fi, it has more in common with HP and LOTR than a Sci-Fi series like Star Trek or Stargate.
  • bjorjlen#6464 bjorjlen Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    Maybe so @paradox, but "technically" it is still classified as Science Fiction as it has spaceships, and energy blasters, not to mention multiple worlds that are visited. But then again, Classic Trek has always been referred as "Wagon Train to the Star's", so branching out into other genres' is to be expected at times...

    Peace...
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    questerius wrote: »
    The cross-over between transformers and startrek or Star Trek/Gundam already brings shivers down my spine.
    While Doctor Who is interesting at times i feel it is also scientifically as absurd as Star Wars.

    I would prefer to keep them separate.

    To be fair Star Wars is more of a Fantasy than a Sci-Fi, it has more in common with HP and LOTR than a Sci-Fi series like Star Trek or Stargate.

    Unfortunately, NuTrek is not soft sci-fi like the various traditional Trek series but rather a space opera like the movies were. Even the traditional era movies were more space opera than soft sci-fi, then Abrams ratcheted that up over the top in 2009. Since the CBS Trek tried to coattail the (then still popular) Kelvin movie style they too are all space opera with occasional crossings into science fantasy. NuTrek is closer to Star Wars in a lot of ways than it is to traditional Star Trek.
    Depends on which Doctor, I stopped watching midway through the first episode with Jodie Whittaker, just found it to be a bit boring for a Doctor Who episode, personally if we do get the Doctor I would like to team up with Matt Smith.

    The Jodie Whittaker stuff is a bit nostalgic from my point of view since they went back to the really early "big group" format instead of just the Doctor and one (or occasionally two) Companion(s) that has been favored for most of the rest of the Dr. Who run. I have not seen anything beyond her first season because the cable channel stopped showing Dr. Who for a while and by the time the next season came out my set top box was dead and I never bothered to get another.

    That first season (no idea about the rest of course) tried to get away from the formula that the Dr. Who series had fallen into and there are too few episodes nowadays for the writers to get used to major changes like that and find their new footing in a single season.

    The problems that a lot of people complain about were not really with Whittaker herself or the fact that she is a woman despite laying the blame there, but rather with that change of formula back to the very early one in which the Doctor was slightly less forward than later Doctors and the group had a bigger role than the typical Companion later on (there were a number of episodes where the Doctor spent most of the time in the TARDS repairing it and the group carried the bulk of the plot for instance). Whittaker's Doctor fits well within the parameters established by all the other Doctors (especially the very early ones), she is just balanced differently from the more recent trend of her predecessors.
  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    Can you imagine the tardis as a flyable ship?

    Pilot escort size/agility, commander science and temporal operative seating, probably no weapon slots but it'd have innate disguise/cloaking, and a galaxy sized interior.
  • bjorjlen#6464 bjorjlen Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    Can you imagine the tardis as a flyable ship?

    Pilot escort size/agility, commander science and temporal operative seating, probably no weapon slots but it'd have innate disguise/cloaking, and a galaxy sized interior.

    Not to mention having the highest Hull & Shield rating in the game by far. After all, in all the years I have seen the TARDIS in action, it has rarely ever taken any direct damage. Ohhh, and one more thing to add too... when you go into a starbase, "beam" down to a planet, or some such thing, wouldn't it be great if the TARDIS actually zoned on/in there instead, and you the character walked out of it as in the show? :D Now that would be epic! :)

    Peace...
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,015 Community Moderator
    Didn't the Doctor leave the Parking Break on, hence the rather distinctive sound the TARDIS makes?
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,361 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    > @lianthelia said:
    > The NuTrek writers already turned every ship into a tardis and the watchers into knockoff time lords...don't need a crossover because they've basically already plagiarized Dr Who :D

    Inspiration does not equal plagiarism. The Watchers are a concept that has been around pre-Doctor Who.
    Poul Anderson started writing tales of the Time Police back in the mid-'50s. Not sure when Fritz Lieber started writing the Change War stories, but his novel The Big Time was published in 1958. The Time Lords are, at best, a knockoff themselves, although since most of them don't seem to travel time much they're really more of a knockoff of groups like the Lensmen in E. E. Smith's series, starting in 1948.

    Who "plagiarized" the concept again? :pensive:
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  • ozwynozwyn Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    Sort of feel like any episode feature Dr Who would be during the temporal war series and would end with Daniels killing the Doctor.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,015 Community Moderator
    ozwyn wrote: »
    Sort of feel like any episode feature Dr Who would be during the temporal war series and would end with Daniels killing the Doctor.

    Why killing The Doctor? If anything I feel like they'd get along just fine since The Doctor seems to be all about NOT changing the timeline. Hell... he knows better than anyone the consquences of messing with time.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,309 Community Moderator
    edited September 2022
    ozwyn wrote: »
    Sort of feel like any episode feature Dr Who would be during the temporal war series and would end with Daniels killing the Doctor.

    Well, we already have our "Doctor" in Kal Dano during the Temporal Arc, so not much sense in having another. 🤷🏼‍♀️
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  • bjorjlen#6464 bjorjlen Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    Exactly. And as the Doctor tends to come up with great ideas, maybe he would have a totally different take and solution to the whole Temporal War debacle. Hell, in his day he's dealt with far worse, many times. Daniels and the Doctor would get along just fine; so much in fact, that the Doctor would possibly take him under his wing and teach him a few new things here and there (after all, he's been doing it for far longer then Daniels ever has). New sidekick anyone? 😁

    Peace...
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    ozwyn wrote: »
    Sort of feel like any episode feature Dr Who would be during the temporal war series and would end with Daniels killing the Doctor.

    Why killing The Doctor? If anything I feel like they'd get along just fine since The Doctor seems to be all about NOT changing the timeline. Hell... he knows better than anyone the consquences of messing with time.

    Also Daniels is a part of Starfleet, they don't kill, I'll get it if Terran Daniels or his Klingon or Romulan counterparts tried to kill off the Doctor but Prime Daniels would never kill, like in order for Pirme Daniels to kill, it would require same type of character assassination that the Last Jedi did to Luke f*cking Skywalker.
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