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New Nova-class Variant spotted in today's S2 Picard trailer
psiameese
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And here we thought we were finally done with our Nova-class starships! Not yet! 
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Also, considering the Borg are implied to be involved, it seems our little incursion to prevent another temporal incursion during First Contact Day may not have been as adequate as we thought.
That or the Borg are trying a third time.
With Q involved I dont think it is as simple as that. I get the sense that Q has taken the kid gloves off for some reason with Picard.
OMG someone broke @reyan01 MEDIC!!!
New versions look interesting. really hope next season of Picard will also show early in the Netherlands.
Getting a paid subscription for a single series is a bit much.
Novas finally getting the McLovin they deserve.
Anything we see in Picard is pretty clearly not the exact screen used models from the movies or prior TV shows. So the ships have had some tweaks, updates and detail changes. (at least 25% otherwise Kurtzman doesn't get paid or something, so rumor says.) For example if you look at the Steamrunner the front of the saucer looks a bit rounder. It looks like something halfway between the classic blocky Steamrunner and the STO Appalachia.
I don't mean the saucer. When viewed from the aft, between the nacelles, there is something new atop the Engineering hull.
Might just be a squared off hump going to the saucer, instead of being a nice rounded and smooth transition between the engineering hull and saucer like usual. Makes it look more industrial and quickly put together, kinda like the dream-sequence Galaxy in S1 Picard. Though, it does look a bit more pronounced on one of the Novas, so dunno for sure.
> So the ships have had some tweaks, updates and detail changes. (at least 25% otherwise Kurtzman doesn't get paid or something, so rumor says.)
The 25% was an Ambramsverse stipulation that was actually engineered by Abrhams for the purpose of product design. If they used props identical to TOS—those models and toys are already on sale. So if they redesigned models, phasers, uniforms—they could make unique merchandise. Also because CBS and Paramount were split—unique designs would protect CBS’s merchandise and IP if the movies didn’t preform well.
Now that the JJ designs didn’t create a massively successful merchandising campaign, and more importantly because CBS and Paramount have merged back together, the 25% rule doesn’t apply.
But why hire a bunch of artists and costume designers if they don’t design anything new. So basically there is institutional and economic motivations to redesign rather than simply recycle old assets.
There are rumors that it kind of still does. Because Secret Hideout and their productions were actually hired under the Paramount/Movie side of the license, and then sub contracted back to CBS in sub weird incestuous loop. All of this from before the merger when Les Moonves was still around. With the key point being so long as they keep some differences, aka 25%, Secret Hideout gets a piece of the merchandising royalties.
> There are rumors that it kind of still does. Because Secret Hideout and their productions were actually hired under the Paramount/Movie side of the license, and then sub contracted back to CBS in sub weird incestuous loop. All of this from before the merger when Les Moonves was still around. With the key point being so long as they keep some differences, aka 25%, Secret Hideout gets a piece of the merchandising royalties.
I agree that merchandising is probably a big motivation to keep things new. It obviously is a big boon for STO too. Star Wars did the same thing. This movie C3PO has a red arm. This movie Kylie Ren gets a mask with red welding marks. The motivation isn’t purely for the story.
Apparently the term “25% difference” comes from a quote by John Eaves, one of the designers for Discovery. And CBS has subsequently denied it.
Source:
https://comicbook.com/startrek/amp/news/star-trek-discovery-enterprise-design-legal/
They deny it, but it a common industry term when dealing with licensing and IP rights. It's generally used to mean "just different enough to either not subject it to a previous creator credit, or just enough to get you a new creator credit or reset the IP rights in some way, while still keeping the thing recognizable to consumers as The Thing". A good example is Modern Superman vs Simon and Shuster Superman. "25% Different" has become a modern slang term for a new creative or production team making just enough changes to existing designs to insure they get a piece of the merchandising going forward.
Edit: the images I’m looking at are at timestams 3sec and at 5sec in this video… gotta be pretty slick with the pause button, though…
Edit: edit: turns out it’s the same vid as posted in the OP, just on YouTube instead of tweeter… it’s easier to pause if viewed in YouTube and not here in the forums…