Two issues with new EV suit slot

westmetals
westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
edited November 2021 in PC Gameplay Bug Reports
- Activating the captain's EV suit (for statistics purposes) forces the display of the EV suit visuals as well, even in non-EV areas. (There is no "disable visuals" option as there previously was.)
- Activating the captain's EV suit (for statistics purposes) forces the BOFFs to also use their EV suits, even in non-EV areas.

The combination of both of these issues represents a heavy nerf to those of us who were previously using EV suits as our primary armors, for example, the various Solanae suits and the 2293 suits from the lobi store.

(i.e. you're basically forcing us to either get new armor - when many of these do not have close non-EV analogues, and at least six affected EV suits are lobi store items - or suffer through the two above issues indefinitely.)

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  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    @chrian ? anyone?

    Can we get some sort of feedback on this? Is it being looked at? Because right now I regard the characters I have in the 2293 lobi EV suits as effectively unplayable. I feel like I am being forced into the choice:

    a) use the suit, have no cosmetic options and BOFFs made of paper
    b) do not use the suit, meaning I now need to replace 2000+ lobi worth of previously purchased items (I'm using these on at least ten characters)
    c) wait for a fix
  • darkeharbinger
    darkeharbinger Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    2409 Starfleet Tactical Capt. The EV slot is forced on any enviornment deemed not suitable. Even Missions Smoke And Mirrors where you could use the Rebreather it now forces the EV suit and it can't be turned off till you Beam to "safe" location like DS9 or ESD.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    westmetals wrote: »
    @chrian ? anyone?

    Can we get some sort of feedback on this? Is it being looked at? Because right now I regard the characters I have in the 2293 lobi EV suits as effectively unplayable. I feel like I am being forced into the choice:

    a) use the suit, have no cosmetic options and BOFFs made of paper
    b) do not use the suit, meaning I now need to replace 2000+ lobi worth of previously purchased items (I'm using these on at least ten characters)
    c) wait for a fix

    And no mention of it in the 11/11 patch notes.... can we PLEASE get some information on whether or not there is any plan to fix this?

    Because at this point... as I said... I regard those characters as effectively unplayable until this issue is fixed, or I am told that it will not be, at which point I will have to replace their armor.
    2409 Starfleet Tactical Capt. The EV slot is forced on any enviornment deemed not suitable. Even Missions Smoke And Mirrors where you could use the Rebreather it now forces the EV suit and it can't be turned off till you Beam to "safe" location like DS9 or ESD.

    Yes, but I'm talking about using it optionally in places where it is not required.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    still no word?

    I need to know if the current state of affairs is going to be permanent or not. Because if it is, then I unfortunately need to replace the armor on over half of my characters. (and basically be unable to use the lobi ones I already have.)
  • darkeharbinger
    darkeharbinger Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    2409 Starfleet Tactical Capt. The EV slot is forced on any enviornment deemed not suitable. Even Missions Smoke And Mirrors where you could use the Rebreather it now forces the EV suit and it can't be turned off till you Beam to "safe" location like DS9 or ESD.

    Yes, but I'm talking about using it optionally in places where it is not required.[/quote]

    I was responding to yours not over riding what you were saying, I was adding to it showing the greater problem. A bug report is to show you are having an issue and if others have it to add, agree with yours or expand on the problem. That way the development team can see how big of an issue this is and prioritize if it's something that's negatively impacting a greater percent of who uses the software. Having everyone opening their own doesn't help and adds to the mess of the report thread.

  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    @chrian ? anyone? any updates on this?

    Is it going to stay like it is now? Are we at least going to get "disable visuals" back? Something?.....?
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    Well, thank you @ambassadorkael#6946 and @chrian#9670 . You have rendered over half of my lobi-purchased items absolutely unusable and refuse to even tell me if it is intentional and/or will be changed.

    Due to your absolute refusal to address these questions, I will no longer be spending any money on STO.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    Still waiting for an update. Especially now that threads on this topic are now being forcibly closed.
  • sthe91
    sthe91 Member Posts: 4,031 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    westmetals wrote: »
    Still waiting for an update. Especially now that threads on this topic are now being forcibly closed.

    It was mentioned in last week's Ten Forward Weekly. So they are aware. Also, threads on this topic are not being forcibly closed, an argument ensued and the mod had to intervene. Here is the link and it is bullet point 34 I believe: https://old.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/qwnwkm/ten_forward_weekly_111721/
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  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    westmetals wrote: »
    Still waiting for an update. Especially now that threads on this topic are now being forcibly closed.

    It was mentioned in last week's Ten Forward Weekly. So they are aware.

    ... and I was supposed to know that how?..... and what did they say?
  • roninwolf1981#2968
    roninwolf1981#2968 Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    Another thing I need to mention:
    Progressing with my Jem'Hadar recruit, on Tenebris Torquent when I board the Defiant to get the EV suits, it completely bypassed the collection of EV suits and the graphical appearance of my away team all switched to EV suits...without actually having them either equipped or in our inventories. Plus, the box where the EV suits would be contained was inaccessible.

    I've yet to get to the Power Plant mission on New Romulus with my Jem'Hadar recruit or the A Step Between Stars to see if this is going to prevent me from obtaining EV suits for my characters.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    Another thing I need to mention:
    Progressing with my Jem'Hadar recruit, on Tenebris Torquent when I board the Defiant to get the EV suits, it completely bypassed the collection of EV suits and the graphical appearance of my away team all switched to EV suits...without actually having them either equipped or in our inventories. Plus, the box where the EV suits would be contained was inaccessible.

    I've yet to get to the Power Plant mission on New Romulus with my Jem'Hadar recruit or the A Step Between Stars to see if this is going to prevent me from obtaining EV suits for my characters.

    It was mentioned that the episodes were changed to remove the giveaway (generic) EV suits, since they enabled the automatic phantom/default ones... so what you are reporting is working as designed.

    * this would not apply to Step as those EV suits are non-generic
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    sthe91 wrote: »
    westmetals wrote: »
    Still waiting for an update. Especially now that threads on this topic are now being forcibly closed.

    It was mentioned in last week's Ten Forward Weekly. So they are aware. Also, threads on this topic are not being forcibly closed, an argument ensued and the mod had to intervene. Here is the link and it is bullet point 34 I believe: https://old.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/qwnwkm/ten_forward_weekly_111721/

    Yes, an argument ensued directly from another player trying to convince me that I was being impatient/premature to ask questions about this topic, and then spamming said thread to the point that a mod closed it. So yes, a thread on this topic that was forcibly closed.

    "Similar conversation has happened internally about making MACO armor an EV suit/have an EV suit version. Possibly solution to being able to use EV suit stats, without having to use EV suit visuals, in the new EV suit system could be the same answer to both problems"

    ?? That does not really address the question of whether or not this is actually going to happen... though it does kinda-sorta make clear that it the visuals aspect is working as designed currently.

    Maybe the video is more clear, but unfortunately (for a variety of reasons) I can't watch it. Why in hell will they not release information in writing? Or reply to specific questions?
  • roninwolf1981#2968
    roninwolf1981#2968 Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    westmetals wrote: »
    Another thing I need to mention:
    Progressing with my Jem'Hadar recruit, on Tenebris Torquent when I board the Defiant to get the EV suits, it completely bypassed the collection of EV suits and the graphical appearance of my away team all switched to EV suits...without actually having them either equipped or in our inventories. Plus, the box where the EV suits would be contained was inaccessible.

    I've yet to get to the Power Plant mission on New Romulus with my Jem'Hadar recruit or the A Step Between Stars to see if this is going to prevent me from obtaining EV suits for my characters.

    It was mentioned that the episodes were changed to remove the giveaway (generic) EV suits, since they enabled the automatic phantom/default ones... so what you are reporting is working as designed.

    * this would not apply to Step as those EV suits are non-generic

    First time I've heard of it...
    So this means I can take my recruit character into Nukara even though I haven't done any EV suit missions with him (save for Tenebris Torquent)?
  • kaithan1975
    kaithan1975 Member Posts: 947 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    westmetals wrote: »
    sthe91 wrote: »
    westmetals wrote: »
    Still waiting for an update. Especially now that threads on this topic are now being forcibly closed.

    It was mentioned in last week's Ten Forward Weekly. So they are aware.

    ... and I was supposed to know that how?..... and what did they say?

    Maybe read the Ten Forward notes conveniently posted by other players? Na, it's far easy for you to whine like a little child then actually try to see if they are aware and looking into it.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    westmetals wrote: »
    sthe91 wrote: »
    westmetals wrote: »
    Still waiting for an update. Especially now that threads on this topic are now being forcibly closed.

    It was mentioned in last week's Ten Forward Weekly. So they are aware.

    ... and I was supposed to know that how?..... and what did they say?

    Maybe read the Ten Forward notes conveniently posted by other players? Na, it's far easy for you to whine like a little child then actually try to see if they are aware and looking into it.

    Posted where? Not in this forum. And even then, the vague mention in that unofficial document does not answer the question.

    Reported for harassment.

    And BTW... I have been trying. For weeks. Including tagging members of the Cryptic staff four times in this thread alone. And they have in that time answered other threads in this category and ignored this one.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,238 Arc User
    ........
  • vorwoda
    vorwoda Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    And another problem with the new EV suit system/slot: not only can't you pick up the 25c EV suit that it now automatically equips (which makes sense, as it is now redundant), but AoY characters cannot get their generic 23c suits, as the 25c ones show up for them, too. Would like to still pick them up before boarding the Tholian ship (or have them as the permanent default TOS FED suit), because otherwise, it's Lobi PER SUIT, not even per Captain for the advanced version. The non-advanced version is fine, if we could just have that on those characters, please.

    Not intending to belittle your issue, West (which I support), just adding on another point to emphasize that the whole system is still buggy, arbitrary, and unpleasant.

    Just my 2 EC.