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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,213 Arc User
    shadowkosh wrote: »
    I want the mirror one

    First they have to sell us all the regular updated T6 ships, then they can sell us the mirror skins and parts as a legendary bundle in January for the anniversary. Or did you think this sudden rapid influx of long-awaited remasters was just because they were bored over in the ship design team?
  • naabal421#0722 naabal421 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    jaturnley wrote: »
    First they have to sell us all the regular updated T6 ships, then they can sell us the mirror skins and parts as a legendary bundle in January for the anniversary. Or did you think this sudden rapid influx of long-awaited remasters was just because they were bored over in the ship design team?
    To be fair, they have been doing "long awaited remasters" since long before the Terran arc started.

    Going as far back as August of last year we have had the Vo'quv, Atrox, Luna, Kar'fi, Risian Luxury Cruiser, Oberth, Malachowski, Steamrunner, Nova, and Saber. All of which were fairly old ships people had been asking for T6 versions/remasters for, for quite a long time.

    I've seen rumors over on Reddit that its because Cryptic has largely run out of canon ships to make from the old shows, and the new shows haven't been putting out enough new ship designs themselves to keep up with STO's ship schedule. But I've never seen anything official from Cryptic about it.
  • starshine#7408 starshine Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    If they're running out of Federation ships, it'd be great if they went into Vulcan and just every other species ships.

    TRIBBLE they could even do UFP skins for other ships, so you can get federation aesthetic ships on Kling/Rom and other species ship designs, and Kling/Rom skins for Fed ships to sell Khitomer technological partnerships and collaboration and just bring for diverse ship looks.

    Or just go, hey a TOS version of every ship.
    TOS>LDS>DSC>VOY>DS9>PRO>ENT>TNG>PIC

    Bring the Enterprise XCV-330 to STO
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,898 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    There are quite a few Federation ships that they don't have in the game and unfortunately probably never will. One example is the "kitbash fleet" from DS9, of that only the Centaur has been made for the game, that leaves at least six others without representation.

    The others are:
    • Yeager light cruiser (though it may be too complex to model for the game). At least two were shown in DS9, (and no the secondary hull is not Maquis raider, it is the larger freighter that used a variant of the same shooting model).
    • Jupp destroyer (probably not really a kitbash but rather something out of a mothball yard)
    • Bradford long range tug, (which would have been good for the Kobayashi Maru) which could feature some kind of weaponized tractor beam system
    • Hutzel variant of the Excelsior class, a three nacelle setup very much like the Gal-X and could be a lancer like the Gal-X with the third nacelle there to power the lance.
    • The Raging Queen and Curry which are both very similar variants of the Excelsior that are shortened by moving the saucer back so it is over the middle of the secondary hull (for a more compact warp field maybe?) and appear to be meant as light carriers that can launch fighters forward into the warp bubble where the saucer would have been if it wasn't moved back (it could have a trait or console for rapid-launching or towing fighters or something similar in the game).
    • Antares which is actually another Miranda/Reliant variant (though it could be considered a Saratoga class with a mission pod attached so it probably not a good candidate for the already large kit of parts for the Reliant)
    • Trieste (ok, this one looks rather dumb with its huge bubble turrets or whatever they are) which is a very radical variant of the Miranda/Reliant line with the "highlighter marker" TNG style engines.

    And there are also a lot of other ships, some of which are alien or only seen only in the background in other Treks, like the:
    • four-engine "tennis racket" Excelsior with its longer, flatter secondary hull (though something like it is in the game iirc)
    • original Planet of Titans ship type seen in TMP and TNG with its warp delta main hull and saucer secondary perched on its nose
    • solid-saucer Discovery-teaser ship that the Crossfield class is probably a specialization of considering the engineering displays often show its shape instead of the Crossfield one (it would make an excellent c-store companion to the Crossfield class, as would the McQuarrie ship)
    • Gorn ship from TOS
    • Orion Intruder scout from TOS
    • Orion "pirate" ship from TAS (which probably looks a bit centipede-like behind that weird looking front with its drydock-like arms hanging down) this one has a lot of design leeway since it is only seen from directly head-on with one brief flash of an oval cross-section rear
    • Vulcan ships from ENT which are not in the game yet (or uprated versions) especially the tri-ring future variant (in fact there are a lot of ENT alien ships that could be uprated, even those from worlds who are implied to be Federation members now)

    There is quite a bit in the way of potential ships which has not been mined yet.
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  • naabal421#0722 naabal421 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    [*] Gorn ship from TOS
    [*] Orion Intruder scout from TOS
    Both of these are already in-game, they just aren't playable.

    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ddraig_Cruiser
    I know the Orion ship was modeled for use in the TOS "Return to Babel" mission
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,898 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    [*] Gorn ship from TOS
    [*] Orion Intruder scout from TOS
    Both of these are already in-game, they just aren't playable.

    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ddraig_Cruiser
    I know the Orion ship was modeled for use in the TOS "Return to Babel" mission

    I know those two are in the game as NPC ships, the point was that they have not run out of ships even from just the older shows (TOS, TAS, '70s-'90s movies, TNG, VOY, and ENT) to possibly add in as playable ships.
  • naabal421#0722 naabal421 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    I know those two are in the game as NPC ships, the point was that they have not run out of ships even from just the older shows (TOS, TAS, '70s-'90s movies, TNG, VOY, and ENT) to possibly add in as playable ships.
    It was never that they were entirely out, just that the list was running low.

    Many of the ships you listed are unlikely to get done because they are very low quality, poor looking, background ships that most wouldn't be interested in. Some, like the Hutzel, never actually appeared on screen.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,898 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    I know those two are in the game as NPC ships, the point was that they have not run out of ships even from just the older shows (TOS, TAS, '70s-'90s movies, TNG, VOY, and ENT) to possibly add in as playable ships.
    It was never that they were entirely out, just that the list was running low.

    Many of the ships you listed are unlikely to get done because they are very low quality, poor looking, background ships that most wouldn't be interested in. Some, like the Hutzel, never actually appeared on screen.

    The quality of the shooting models was low on a lot of them because they were only meant to be seen in the background where detail does not matter. If they were to be put in the game then the quality of the physical models is irrelevant since the devs could add the fine details that the shooting models lacked.

    And the fact is, with proper finishing (which they never got because they were only meant to be used in the background) the "kitbash fleet" models would have been better quality relative to the limitations of the format than the less-than-stellar cheap CGI they used in PIC in a lot of their background ships, not to mention better designed than the often sloppy and impractical designs that PIC uses (such as the Zhat Vash ships having some parts connected by sections that would have to be less than a deck high internally (which you can see by measuring them against the bridge windows) and other design blunders).

    DSC was a lot better than PIC in that sense in the first and second seasons, but they are cutting corners the same way as PIC in the third to some extent and if it continues they will be just as bad in a few seasons.

    As for interest, some people on other threads have been asking for ships like the Yeager, the Saladin (which for IP reasons the game cannot use, but they can use the Jupp which is very similar), the TOS Orion and Gorn ships, and various others so there is at least some interest there.
  • starshine#7408 starshine Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited November 2021
    I love TOS Orions ships
    Also they'd be so small it'd be fun

    Also, the Talarian warship would be neat. (or is it in already and I've missed it?)
    TOS>LDS>DSC>VOY>DS9>PRO>ENT>TNG>PIC

    Bring the Enterprise XCV-330 to STO
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