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10-Forward Weekly 10/06/2021

reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,349 Arc User
Copied from Reddit, with thanks and acknowledgement to @somtaawkhar for watching the Livestream and taking the time to type the summary. I assume Som either can't, or is choosing not to, post here at present but eitherway, grateful that he takes the time to create these summaries.

New Halloween event

Based on TOS episode Catspaw

TFO based more on vintage horror tropes from Hammer movies rather then modern horror tropes like fountains of blood everywhere

TFO has multiple paths to take

Story of the mission: some of the Old Ones have returned to the galaxy to continue their original mission of exploration/study/discovery. Devidians have shown up to cause issues/steal the Old One's transmuters

TFO has new organ music

Enemies include skeletons. Skeletons are invulnerable in shadow, take damage in light.

Cryptic working on getting Spotify set up for Perfect World games for various in-game music

TFO has several secret optional objectives

Optional objectives are finding 13 black cats, and lighting 34 candles

Skeletons have visual cues to tell if they are vulnerable or not. Red = invulnerable. Yellow = vulnerable

Cryptic has found that, with recent TFOs that involve tactics/mechanics, people start off saying no one gets it, but after a week or so most people get it

Skeleton lord boss. Has a big shout attack that knocks back. Sword melee attack. What looks like some red chain ranged attack.

TFO objective is to collect artifacts/rescue old ones to open the way to the Devidians. Artifacts are a blue candle, a bell, and book

Black cats randomly pop up across the map

Witch enemies

Getting three heads into the dialog box for the Elder witches was one of the most difficult parts of the TFO

Ghost librarian NPC. Makes rude comments about the various books you pick up

Library room has a puzzle with random books needing to be placed on various shelves in order to proceed. Order is different each time you play it

Other puzzles in the second pathway not shown off

Plan is to add new things to the Halloween event every year like they have been doing FCD

Elder Witch boss fight. Witches are invulnerable until you damage a giant skull above their cauldron. Witches can turn players into cats that have an aura that take down player shields

Bonnie-Kin!

Final boss Devidian lord

Players get phase shifted and have to sabotage Devidian devices to make him vulnerable/do damage

Paul(writer) asked about if Discovery characters will have special dialog in the current arc due to Killy supposedly killing us "reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated" Says it will be explained

Don't read too much into the thing Thomas did for Kate Mulgrew

New infinity ship: Kirk class, aka Armstrong class from DSC S3

Ship cannot be modified with Connies due to size differences

Not all 32nd century ships will be lockbox ships

Saucer floats off of the secondary hull

Cryptic got the official show model and shaved off polygons until it fit into STO

Ship is huge compared to the normal Connie. Around the size of the Vengeance

Official name from CBS is the Constitution class. Cryptic didn't want to call it that because they already have 7 ships with that class, but wanted to imply linage by calling it the Kirk class like they did with the Janeway class

Type 7A material will be added to other ships as they remaster/work on them

Ship materials have to done by hand, and per ship piece, so its not easy to just apply to each ship

Trait "Risk is our Business": When activating captain abilities 2,623 temp hp for 10 sec per fore within 5km(max 10) and add threat if in threatening stance

Console "Field-Replicated Buster Pods": minimum +19 all damage resist when shields at 100%. Scaled up to +57 when shields at 0%

Launches 5 buster pods, will chose a random foe after launch. 6,915.9 kinetic damage(50% shield pen) in a 10KM cylinder toward and through target. 3,146.7 kinetic damage(50% shield pen) within 2km of detonation point. 2 min recharge

Console not based off of anything

Ship is a temporal ship. While 32nd century has outlaws time travel, they haven't done so with messing with temporal mechanics. So what better ship then one named after Kirk

Approval process for LD content has been longer due to animated nature

Lower Decks staff told Cryptic to make uniforms more flat to more closely match the animated style because they looked too realistic originally

Cell shaded vanity shield is something Thomas isn't particularly interested in because of it clashing with the rest of the game

Would be more likely to do cell shaded something if its part of an event and the whole map is like that

Jeremy/system is aware of feedback on pure carriers being "useless" Jeremy finds that a subjective opinion, and theres no plans to modify them right now. but, if given the time, they might make changes in the future

Mirror Guardian cruiser was delayed for remastering by Thomas since he thought it didn't hold up visually/didn't match with the other new mirror ships. Revamp will cover both normal and mirror version

Mudd's announcement coming out Thursday

Unlikely to have random invasions of social zones like ESD because people who just want to go to ESD would find that annoying. More likely to do a TFO based around defending ESD

Lots of ships coming up. Jeremy schedules for livestreams nearly every week. Thomas thinks we will be excited for the stuff they have coming down the pipe.

Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

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  • dacia#9992 dacia Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    I have to wonder if this invulnerability includes control effects and whether or not the skeletons can be "pulled" into the light via things like Paradox bomb.

    Kind of a pity if they can't.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,145 Arc User
    Spoilers!

    No, seriously, why would they even spoil the entire event like that 1 whole week before it's released?
    Enemies include skeletons. Skeletons are invulnerable in shadow, take damage in light.
    That's so not a prelude to potential progression-breaking situations, like we currently have in Firewall.
    Not all 32nd century ships will be lockbox ships
    Some will be and are already promo pack ships, too!
    Winter ship already decided.
    Since it's already october, they'd better have it decided at this point.
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 3,508 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    thanks for the post and reference to som.

    the event tfo sounds fun, and hopefully with all the puzzles and side ventures it can be done within a one hour time frame...lol.

    carriers...no comment.

    not all 32nd cent ship will be LB. (personal opinion, ymmv - if they are going to carry on the same aesthetics and odd looks as they have, keep them in boxes)
    meh

  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 3,508 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    the new mission seems really funny :
    https://player.twitch.tv/?autoplay=false&channel=crypticstudios&parent=forum.arcgames.com

    but this video proves that the skill visuals are too agressive.

    there is also a preview of the new 32c ship

    above taken from another post in a diff thread. gives some finer details on the TFO. intersting.
    meh

  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    TFO has several secret optional objectives

    Optional objectives are finding 13 black cats, and lighting 34 candles

    well, the optional objectives are no longer secret :*
  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 3,508 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    TFO has several secret optional objectives

    Optional objectives are finding 13 black cats, and lighting 34 candles

    well, the optional objectives are no longer secret :*

    the vid did mention a cpl other "hidden/secret" optionals that they didnt want to discuss. (however, the cats may be one of them.)

    meh

  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    TFO has several secret optional objectives

    Optional objectives are finding 13 black cats, and lighting 34 candles

    well, the optional objectives are no longer secret :*

    the vid did mention a cpl other "hidden/secret" optionals that they didnt want to discuss. (however, the cats may be one of them.)
    oh! great :)
    I turn off the sound when I watch this kind of video to avoid possible spoils and also to keep some mysteries (voices etc)
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,538 Arc User
    Spoilers!

    No, seriously, why would they even spoil the entire event like that 1 whole week before it's released?

    They said they're are multiple paths that are chosen at random, so only part of it was spoiled. They also warned people ahead of time that if they didn't want any spoilers then they should leave the stream for a bit and come back for the ship reveal.
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  • westmetalswestmetals Member Posts: 7,493 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    The issue with "full carriers" is because, when they were initially created, they were the only ships with multiple hangars. And they are generally science ships, with the 3/3 weapons loadouts common to science ships, and console layouts common to science ships, but no secondary deflector slot.

    So they are inferior to non-carrier science ships, in terms of performing science, and inferior to all non-science ships, in terms of weapons loadouts.

    But they had that one advantage, of having multiple hangars.

    Then the devs went and added a second hangar to flight-deck cruisers (renaming them "flight deck carriers", which itself is a stupid name).... which eliminated that advantage as well.

    So now we have two different kinds of "full carriers" - one that is a 4/4 engineering themed ship (with, in some cases, some cruiser commands), and one that is a 3/3 science-themed ship.

    Gee.... one would think that those things aren't just "subjectively" different.

    In essence: carriers were balanced, and the devs intentionally broke the balance and are now saying it's "subjective" as to whether or not they are balanced.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,538 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    So now we have two different kinds of "full carriers" - one that is a 4/4 engineering themed ship (with, in some cases, some cruiser commands), and one that is a 3/3 science-themed ship.

    Actually there are THREE kinds of full carriers, Dreadnought Carriers have 4/3 weapons and a commander tactical seat as well as the built in subsystem targeting that is usually exclusive to science ships.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,145 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    So now we have two different kinds of "full carriers" - one that is a 4/4 engineering themed ship (with, in some cases, some cruiser commands), and one that is a 3/3 science-themed ship.

    Actually there are THREE kinds of full carriers, Dreadnought Carriers have 4/3 weapons and a commander tactical seat as well as the built in subsystem targeting that is usually exclusive to science ships.
    Hur'q Vedcrid Dreadnought Carrier:
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    It's just for fun and the Vedcrid is technically just an hybrid of Dreadnought Carrier and Engineering Carrier with a Lt Commander tac, 4/3 wep slots and the shield modifier of a BoP. But it does also have an unique innate ability (and a pretty useful one at that).
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  • westmetalswestmetals Member Posts: 7,493 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    okay... but generally speaking, science carriers are also inferior to those, without having any benefits that they do not have (those even have subsystem targeting which is... not very useful)... except for increased science abilities that are still inferior to non-carrier science ships.

    As originally conceived... science carriers had a unique advantage, which has now been taken away and now they are just left with the handicaps that were meant to balance out that unique advantage.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 3,638 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    "Jeremy/system is aware of feedback on pure carriers being "useless" Jeremy finds that a subjective opinion, and theres no plans to modify them right now. but, if given the time, they might make changes in the future"

    While useless is the wrong word its not subjective opinion its fact that full carriers are inferior and worse then other carriers. Apart from for the looks there is never any reason to use a full carrier as they are just flat out inferior. Apart from the look factor full carriers have extra disadvantages and zero advantages or unique features so there is no reasons to use them. I really don't see how anyone can say its subjective when its a matter of fact.

    The devs really dropped the ball when they brought out Support Carriers. That was the perfect time to fix the problem with full carriers. Instead they released amazing looking full Carriers that are inferior ships in every way. Talk about hurting your own sales.
  • livinlifejb90#4082 livinlifejb90 Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    I miss Som, but I am still thankful he is doing these summaries somewhere. I had a moment of excitement when they said that not all 32c ships will be lockbox, then I remembered that promo boxes are still a thing.

    i hope some of these many ships coming out are going to be C-store ships. Like the new ships seen in the season finale of LD.​​
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,742 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    "Jeremy/system is aware of feedback on pure carriers being "useless" Jeremy finds that a subjective opinion, and theres no plans to modify them right now. but, if given the time, they might make changes in the future"

    While useless is the wrong word its not subjective opinion its fact that full carriers are inferior and worse then other carriers. Apart from for the looks there is never any reason to use a full carrier as they are just flat out inferior. Apart from the look factor full carriers have extra disadvantages and zero advantages or unique features so there is no reasons to use them. I really don't see how anyone can say its subjective when its a matter of fact.

    The devs really dropped the ball when they brought out Support Carriers. That was the perfect time to fix the problem with full carriers. Instead they released amazing looking full Carriers that are inferior ships in every way. Talk about hurting your own sales.

    All you have to do is look at the seating on the new promo ship to get an exact idea of exactly how much Bort knows about the state of the game. He's also the one that gave a tanking trait to a ship without Attract Fire. :lol:

    It's subjective to him because he doesn't want to put in the time to revamp them, no one that actually knows Carriers and their current state in the game would objectively say that they were acceptable in their current state. Can they be made to work? of course they can.. but that was never the question to begin with.
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 3,638 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    "Jeremy/system is aware of feedback on pure carriers being "useless" Jeremy finds that a subjective opinion, and theres no plans to modify them right now. but, if given the time, they might make changes in the future"

    While useless is the wrong word its not subjective opinion its fact that full carriers are inferior and worse then other carriers. Apart from for the looks there is never any reason to use a full carrier as they are just flat out inferior. Apart from the look factor full carriers have extra disadvantages and zero advantages or unique features so there is no reasons to use them. I really don't see how anyone can say its subjective when its a matter of fact.

    The devs really dropped the ball when they brought out Support Carriers. That was the perfect time to fix the problem with full carriers. Instead they released amazing looking full Carriers that are inferior ships in every way. Talk about hurting your own sales.

    All you have to do is look at the seating on the new promo ship to get an exact idea of exactly how much Bort knows about the state of the game. He's also the one that gave a tanking trait to a ship without Attract Fire. :lol:

    It's subjective to him because he doesn't want to put in the time to revamp them, no one that actually knows Carriers and their current state in the game would objectively say that they were acceptable in their current state. Can they be made to work? of course they can.. but that was never the question to begin with.
    Wasn't there a comment from the devs around Oct 2020 which was the complete opposite of now. I am sure last year the devs said they are aware of the problems with full carriers and hope to have something in place by end of year (2020). Sure it was in one of the video chats, possibly the one with Support Carriers or near then.

    It feels very much like the devs have gone from saying there is problem, a solution is on its way, to there is no problem its just subjective despite the facts showing otherwise.

    In the past years more so the past year it feels more and more like the Devs don't really understand the game or understand the player base and are just throwing' things together and hoping for the best.


  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 2,960 Arc User
    Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

    Ships

    That means multiple releases in the next two months. Assuming they mean multiple other ones besides the Kirk class.


    The rest of the notes aren't as interesting as usual imo. The new episode looks interesting, but I stopped reading halfway through as I don't want to know everything in advance.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,332 Arc User
    Skeletons are like Minecraft skeletons, they don't like light, either.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,538 Arc User
    Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

    Ships

    That means multiple releases in the next two months. Assuming they mean multiple other ones besides the Kirk class.

    Kael DID say that he has Bort scheduled to be on stream talking about a new ship almost every week for awhile. Since the Nova revamp is on Tribble I wonder if next week will be that reveal? The Saber also recently got access to all the Legendary hull materials which suggests they're doing something with that as well.
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  • livinlifejb90#4082 livinlifejb90 Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

    Ships

    That means multiple releases in the next two months. Assuming they mean multiple other ones besides the Kirk class.

    Kael DID say that he has Bort scheduled to be on stream talking about a new ship almost every week for awhile. Since the Nova revamp is on Tribble I wonder if next week will be that reveal? The Saber also recently got access to all the Legendary hull materials which suggests they're doing something with that as well.

    its hard to be excited about this, since we know probably 90% of these new ships will be box/promo ships. its all about the cash baby. nothing else.​​
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,742 Arc User
    Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

    Ships

    That means multiple releases in the next two months. Assuming they mean multiple other ones besides the Kirk class.

    Kael DID say that he has Bort scheduled to be on stream talking about a new ship almost every week for awhile. Since the Nova revamp is on Tribble I wonder if next week will be that reveal? The Saber also recently got access to all the Legendary hull materials which suggests they're doing something with that as well.

    its hard to be excited about this, since we know probably 90% of these new ships will be box/promo ships. its all about the cash baby. nothing else.​​

    Really is true.

    I used to be interested when STO announced a new ship was coming, now I don't even bother to look up what it is. I just know it's a gamble box ship and know not to even bother.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,958 Arc User
    Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

    Ships

    That means multiple releases in the next two months. Assuming they mean multiple other ones besides the Kirk class.

    Kael DID say that he has Bort scheduled to be on stream talking about a new ship almost every week for awhile. Since the Nova revamp is on Tribble I wonder if next week will be that reveal? The Saber also recently got access to all the Legendary hull materials which suggests they're doing something with that as well.
    I don't know why they aren't considering the Tempest for an update, it's was pretty much the first T5 ship so it's taking the longest.

  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,538 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    Winter ship already decided. More ships coming out between now and then.

    Ships

    That means multiple releases in the next two months. Assuming they mean multiple other ones besides the Kirk class.

    Kael DID say that he has Bort scheduled to be on stream talking about a new ship almost every week for awhile. Since the Nova revamp is on Tribble I wonder if next week will be that reveal? The Saber also recently got access to all the Legendary hull materials which suggests they're doing something with that as well.
    I don't know why they aren't considering the Tempest for an update, it's was pretty much the first T5 ship so it's taking the longest.

    We don't know that they aren't, however they do seem to be prioritizing canon ships over Cryptic designs right now so I wouldn't expect things like the Tempest until after the Saber, Constellation/Cheyenne, and Olympic get their T6s.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 54,800 Community Moderator
    Honestly the Olympic is in desperate need of a complete remodel considering that, unlike the Nova, the in game model of the Olympic is NOTHING like the canon design whatsoever. Its got the Sphere section and same general configuration, but looks nothing like the canon version.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,881 Arc User
    I prefer the STO looks for the Olympic over the canon version, but as long as they make a possible canon version compatible with the rest of the kitbash kit it would be a nice expansion of choice in the ship customizer.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,145 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    If I checked correctly, we're close to have all canon ships remastered, with those remaining being:
    -Saber-class
    -Olympic-class
    -Mogai-class
    -D'Kyr-class
    -All factions' shuttles and fighters (though the remastered model of the Danube already exists in the ESD hangar)
    -Andorian ships
    -Dauntless-class
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 2,960 Arc User
    If I checked correctly, we're close to have all canon ships remastered, with those remaining being:
    -Saber-class
    -Olympic-class
    -Mogai-class
    -D'Kyr-class
    -All factions' shuttles and fighters (though the remastered model already exists in the ESD hangar)
    -Andorian ships
    -Dauntless-class

    And the Prometheus. I don't think that one has been remastered yet?
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    [3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,538 Arc User
    If I checked correctly, we're close to have all canon ships remastered, with those remaining being:
    -Saber-class
    -Olympic-class
    -Mogai-class
    -D'Kyr-class
    -All factions' shuttles and fighters (though the remastered model already exists in the ESD hangar)
    -Andorian ships
    -Dauntless-class

    And the Prometheus. I don't think that one has been remastered yet?

    It has, they did it for the Ships of the Line bundle.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,349 Arc User
    edited October 2021
    > @fleetcaptain5#1134 said:
    > And the Prometheus. I don't think that one has been remastered yet?

    > @evilmark444 said:
    > It has, they did it for the Ships of the Line bundle.






    It's had two. They did a 'Ships of the Line' bundle for it last year:
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11479473-prometheus-ships-of-the-line

    And it had one when they introduced the Hestia skin back in 2015:
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9563213-star-trek-online:-prometheus-remodel
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9561933-star-trek-online:-hestia-advanced-escort-stats
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 3,414 Arc User
    If I checked correctly, we're close to have all canon ships remastered, with those remaining being:
    -All factions' shuttles and fighters (though the remastered model of the Danube already exists in the ESD hangar)
    It should be noted that the Ground Scale model seen in ESD probably has no parts that could be used for a playable model, it's too detailed, they'd have to make a new model with a lower poly count for space or the game would lag in a way that no PC or connection could run it (and no it's not doing it atm my PC and connection can run it just fine). It's the same reason they can just use the CBS given models as is but have to lower the details for them.
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