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Star Trek Enterprise 20th year anniversary, and not a mention by STO??

I'm serious. No mention of anything Star Trek Enterprise related specifically as a tribute to it's 20th year anniversary.

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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,886 Arc User
    Unfortunate but not surprising either considering how little the game deals with that era even with temporal agents.
  • livinlifejb90#4082 livinlifejb90 Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    yeah its a shame. Such a good series of Trek. and of course Trip Tucker *drools*
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 3,516 Arc User
    i actually re-watched the series this past month.
    it was far better the second go around. noticed things i missed prior.
    so yeah, sad to see it not get some "tip of the hat" by cryptic
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  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 673 Arc User
    You have my sympathy!

    And yet AoY, supposedly all about TOS, is (both before and after your transfer to the 25c.) all about Enterprise's Temporal Cold War story with Agent Daniels. You don't get to enjoy one single TOS mission without him or the Not-Cool showing up. So AoY is pretty much a half-hearted hand wave by the Devs to their two least favourite series, TOS and Enterprise. You get one short arc with the trappings of one and the story of the other. As opposed to Delta rising, where you get a whole long, tedious series of missions based on an unpopular alien-of-the-week. Blecch.
  • dragon#2626 dragon Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    Pity. It's the last incarnation of Trek really worth watching.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,647 Arc User
    I really do not hold Enterprise in high regards, because (due to studio mandate) I feel they missed so many possibilities to flesh the lore out and instead tried to make it TNG to up the recognition value. Still, STO is heavily influenced by it - the whole Daniels-Temporal-War thing, the Tellarites are visually based upon the (worst of the three) ENT incarnation, Xindi ships and items are available, the NX itself, uniforms and items are Lobi (as it's standard now it seems), the MACOs are from ENT (even though they have no business being in the 25th century). The only thing you don't get are actual missions in that era.
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  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 673 Arc User
    The first couple of years of Enterprise were tough to love. But so was (for me) Season 1 of TNG, DS9 and Voy. So was a good chunk of the LAST season of TOS. (It's funny, but I think TOS was great from the start, and got worse as Shatner became hammier, and as network meddling increased; while with TNG-ENT, the actors got better in there parts as each show went along, and the writing mostly got stronger, too. Season 4 of Enterprise was mostly a joy, and a Romulan War season 5 would have been great!

    However, I found the Temporal Cold War to be the very worst thing in Enterprise. As far as I can see, the STO DEVs must have picked the worst part of Enterprise, and ran with it, just to show how much they hate it and TOS.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,523 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I really do not hold Enterprise in high regards, because (due to studio mandate) I feel they missed so many possibilities to flesh the lore out and instead tried to make it TNG to up the recognition value. Still, STO is heavily influenced by it - the whole Daniels-Temporal-War thing, the Tellarites are visually based upon the (worst of the three) ENT incarnation, Xindi ships and items are available, the NX itself, uniforms and items are Lobi (as it's standard now it seems), the MACOs are from ENT (even though they have no business being in the 25th century). The only thing you don't get are actual missions in that era.

    Incorrect, you do go back in time to assist the NX against the Tholians, although the Enterprise doesn't notice.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,886 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I really do not hold Enterprise in high regards, because (due to studio mandate) I feel they missed so many possibilities to flesh the lore out and instead tried to make it TNG to up the recognition value. Still, STO is heavily influenced by it - the whole Daniels-Temporal-War thing, the Tellarites are visually based upon the (worst of the three) ENT incarnation, Xindi ships and items are available, the NX itself, uniforms and items are Lobi (as it's standard now it seems), the MACOs are from ENT (even though they have no business being in the 25th century). The only thing you don't get are actual missions in that era.

    Incorrect, you do go back in time to assist the NX against the Tholians, although the Enterprise doesn't notice.

    Just because the scenario takes you to a one-battle cameo in the ENT era as part of a mission elsewhen it does not make it a mission in the era, just a momentary detour there.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,647 Arc User
    > @vorwoda said:
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    > However, I found the Temporal Cold War to be the very worst thing in Enterprise. As far as I can see, the STO DEVs must have picked the worst part of Enterprise, and ran with it, just to show how much they hate it and TOS.

    I agree with it being the worst part. If that has anything to do with the devs hating it I won't comment on that. But the temporal war is exactly why ENT was a weak show, they had little confidence to tell pre-federation stories and instead rushed to establish known patterns way too quickly.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @vorwoda said:
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    > However, I found the Temporal Cold War to be the very worst thing in Enterprise. As far as I can see, the STO DEVs must have picked the worst part of Enterprise, and ran with it, just to show how much they hate it and TOS.

    I agree with it being the worst part. If that has anything to do with the devs hating it I won't comment on that. But the temporal war is exactly why ENT was a weak show, they had little confidence to tell pre-federation stories and instead rushed to establish known patterns way too quickly.

    I'd have to agree. "Regeneration" was the perfect example of this. Over-reliance on a popular, but horribly over-used, enemy from two previous series. And expecting us to overlook the continuity issue it caused by employing a large amount of Handwavium (namely that the Borg read the script and didn't bother identifying themselves AS the Borg).
  • joshmauljoshmaul Member Posts: 460 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    And expecting us to overlook the continuity issue it caused by employing a large amount of Handwavium (namely that the Borg read the script and didn't bother identifying themselves AS the Borg).

    Ditto for that on the Ferengi.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,742 Arc User
    Good to see others that loved Enterprise.

    I know it wasn't the best received in the Trek series, but I always thought it was a really good show. I still re-watch it from time to time.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,886 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @vorwoda said:
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    > However, I found the Temporal Cold War to be the very worst thing in Enterprise. As far as I can see, the STO DEVs must have picked the worst part of Enterprise, and ran with it, just to show how much they hate it and TOS.

    I agree with it being the worst part. If that has anything to do with the devs hating it I won't comment on that. But the temporal war is exactly why ENT was a weak show, they had little confidence to tell pre-federation stories and instead rushed to establish known patterns way too quickly.

    That was the Paramount executives insisting on having everything from TNG and later in the show, they insisted that the show use the Akira model from First Contact even though it was supposed to be a prequel from way before Akiras were built. Berman and Drexler had a very long hard fight on their hands to get them to compromise enough to let Drexler modify the design enough to look smaller and and earlier tech level.

    The original plan was to use plasma cannons and nuclear missiles (and the plasma bolt pistols) throughout the whole series (since those were the best weapons Earth and the Romulans had during the war the series was supposed to cover at its end. However, the executives refused to allow them to do that since they thought it could not be Star Trek without phasers and photon torpedoes, so they had to tone down the damage those weapons did so the "phase cannons", "photonic torpedoes", and "phase pistols" they were required to replace them with could be shown without looking ridiculously powerful.

    As for the temporal war, it wasn't the worst part by far, it was put in to try to reduce the impact of the discontinuities of the worst part (piling in all the stuff from other series) a little via paradox changes (and also to do the same for the continuity problems caused by First Contact without causing too much of a break from the earlier series.

    And yes, the ENT writers could have handled the temporal cold war a bit better but considering how far behind schedule the constant executive interference kept putting them I think they did quite well with it.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,546 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @vorwoda said:
    >
    > However, I found the Temporal Cold War to be the very worst thing in Enterprise. As far as I can see, the STO DEVs must have picked the worst part of Enterprise, and ran with it, just to show how much they hate it and TOS.

    I agree with it being the worst part. If that has anything to do with the devs hating it I won't comment on that. But the temporal war is exactly why ENT was a weak show, they had little confidence to tell pre-federation stories and instead rushed to establish known patterns way too quickly.

    "Regeneration" was the perfect example of this.

    I disagree, imo Regeneration is one of the best episodes of Enterprise. It's story made perfect sense in the larger Canon, unlike the Ferengi episode, and for me it serves as a perfect conclusion to my occasional borg re-watch list (Q who? -> BoBW 1+2 -> FC -> Regeneration). The Borg also did not announce their identity in "Q Who?" or "Best of Both Worlds", so it's not out of character for them to neglect doing it in this episode as well.

    For anyone who really feels it breaks canon there are two possible ways to look at it:

    1) FC changed history, and the TNG events as we saw them occurred without this event being in the timeline

    Or

    2) Regeneration directly influenced the events we saw in TNG, with the Borg's message to the delta quadrant triggering the attacks along the Romulan Neutral Zone and Dr Crusher potentially referring to Dr Phlox's report while restoring Picard to his human form. (this is MY preferred take on it).
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,929 Arc User
    Pity. It's the last incarnation of Trek really worth watching.

    ^ Could not agree more. I agree, very sad not even a nod from Cryptic of any kind.

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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 3,223 Arc User
    21st Is a notably anniversary more. So maybe there might be something then. Plus the anniversary isn't until 26th anyway. So maybe they might have an announcement in a couple of days.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,546 Arc User
    eazzie wrote: »
    the anniversary isn't until 26th anyway. So maybe they might have an announcement in a couple of days.

    Based on what Kael said when he was asked about it on stream I think if they do anything at all it'll probably just be a flash sale of Mudd's Faith of the Heart choice pack.
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  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 656 Arc User
    Rough start? Season 1 TNG and DISC were far worse than ENT ever was. The story delivery was, unfortunately ahead of it's time and the head clown at CBS didn't think much of Trek and too busy Benny Hill LARPing and didn't support it. Sure, there were weak episodes but show me a Trek that hasn't been there. There are many Trek series that should have been canned, should never have staggered through 7 seasons. ENT got shafted.
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  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,608 Arc User
    Would be nice to have maybe one or two episodes for the 20rh
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,145 Arc User
    FC changed history, and the TNG events as we saw them occurred without this event being in the timeline

    Pretty much how I saw it anyways, The Borg altered Earth's history, the episode Regeneration is literally "a sequel to the events of Star Trek: First Contact."

    "Culminating in the Battle of Sector 001, wherein a Borg sphere travelled to the 21st century in an effort to assimilate Humanity in the past, as seen in Star Trek: First Contact. The sphere was destroyed, and several drones from the vessel were frozen in an Arctic glacier in 2063, which were uncovered by the Arctic scientists 90 years later in "Regeneration"-Quote Memory Alpha, so no it didn't break canon in any way. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Regeneration_(episode)#Continuity
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,145 Arc User
    BTW T'Pol was ENT's best character.
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    I've found such new love for Enterprise since Disco. Oh, don't get me wrong, it was done so terribly in so many ways. They kept trying to make it more futuristic that it should have been allowed to be and this isn't a rant, but...

    Polarized hull plating that were almost better than shields.
    Reed being able to kill more Borg than absolutely any other man in the history of the Collective.
    Vulcans being bad guys.
    The only Vulcan losing her mental discipline.
    A Vulcan in a catsuit...really?
    Augments as the reason for no ridges.
    No "Disastrous first contact with the Klingons" which would have been terrific to see.
    Dying Scott Bakula's hair...which I'm still sick about, because that colour did NOT work for him!
    Phlox being able to overcome assimilation.
    Reed singlehandedly inventing red alert.
    Transporters so capable that they're able to beam components out of an attacking ship?
    Decontamination chambers for the sole purpose of looking like saunas and acting like bathhouses.

    I could go on and on, but I really do appreciate it more, because it felt more like Star Trek to me. I miss episodic seasons, instead of these great run-on soap style ones. The great thing with episodic...if there was stinker, there was only one. With the new format, if you can't stand the premise, you're stuck with a season's worth of it.

    For the anniversary though, I would have loved a themed episode or event. I bet Scott and numerous others would have returned just for one episode and little bit of voice work.

    It would have to have a FUN reward though, not one of the naff ones of recent years. Something akin to the Shotgun...maybe a Battle Porthos!
  • joshmauljoshmaul Member Posts: 460 Arc User
    There are many Trek series that should have been canned, should never have staggered through 7 seasons.

    There are exactly three (TNG, DS9, VOY) that ever got that far.
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  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,145 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    I wish we still got the Earth-Romulan war and the reveal of T'Pol being half Romulan, there were so many great ideas that were scrapped,
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,886 Arc User
    True, it is a shame that Moonves hated Star Trek so much that he shut down ENT the first chance he got.

    I am not sure the T'Pol being half Romulan thing would have gone over very well with the fans. It would have looked even more like they were just taking things from the movie and TNG eras and putting them in ENT with the names changed since Savaak was Romulan but raised in Vulcan society and T'Pol would have been more or less just more of the same.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,810 Arc User
    yeah its a shame. Such a good series of Trek. and of course Trip Tucker *drools*

    Funny you mention that (and I agree and am a fan of the show too); but IF you go back and look at the comments made by Star Trek fans during its network run; it's about as bad/maybe a bit worse than all the fan hate the current crop of first run Star Trek is seeing.

    I'm sure in 20 years, the current crop of series will see a similar fan response to what ENT is seeing 20 years after it debuted...It's all happened before and will happen again; as long as they keep making new Star Trek after a few years hiatus. ;)

    (Since the original Star Trek has gone of the air, there's never been more than a 4 year gap before some new Trek film or TV project hits - and we had 18 years of constant new Star Trek from 1987 - 2005.)
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,332 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @vorwoda said:
    >
    > However, I found the Temporal Cold War to be the very worst thing in Enterprise. As far as I can see, the STO DEVs must have picked the worst part of Enterprise, and ran with it, just to show how much they hate it and TOS.

    I agree with it being the worst part. If that has anything to do with the devs hating it I won't comment on that. But the temporal war is exactly why ENT was a weak show, they had little confidence to tell pre-federation stories and instead rushed to establish known patterns way too quickly.

    That was the Paramount executives insisting on having everything from TNG and later in the show, they insisted that the show use the Akira model from First Contact even though it was supposed to be a prequel from way before Akiras were built. Berman and Drexler had a very long hard fight on their hands to get them to compromise enough to let Drexler modify the design enough to look smaller and and earlier tech level.

    The original plan was to use plasma cannons and nuclear missiles (and the plasma bolt pistols) throughout the whole series (since those were the best weapons Earth and the Romulans had during the war the series was supposed to cover at its end. However, the executives refused to allow them to do that since they thought it could not be Star Trek without phasers and photon torpedoes, so they had to tone down the damage those weapons did so the "phase cannons", "photonic torpedoes", and "phase pistols" they were required to replace them with could be shown without looking ridiculously powerful.

    As for the temporal war, it wasn't the worst part by far, it was put in to try to reduce the impact of the discontinuities of the worst part (piling in all the stuff from other series) a little via paradox changes (and also to do the same for the continuity problems caused by First Contact without causing too much of a break from the earlier series.

    And yes, the ENT writers could have handled the temporal cold war a bit better but considering how far behind schedule the constant executive interference kept putting them I think they did quite well with it.

    That's executives for you....bean counters, who think they are both intelligent and talented, and thinking THEY know what the fans want and like, but, in actuality, are not.
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  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    I'm serious. No mention of anything Star Trek Enterprise related specifically as a tribute to it's 20th year anniversary.

    Given they ignored the 50th anniversary of Star Trek as a franchise other than a last-minute giveaway because of all the flak they were getting, are you surprised?
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