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It makes more sense for the Galaxy X's third nacelle to be on the saucer section?
kayajay
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This is a stray thought and of course, we never saw the actual D-X separate its saucer, but since the original Galaxy's saucer didn't have warp capability, it would have made so much sense for that third nacelle to still overpower the ship and allow it to make Warp 13, but also to allow the saucer to fly in warp.
In STO, we can see the X separate, but the three nacelles stay on the drive section. If the ship has split differently, with say it's spine with a nacelle off at the back like a tail...that would have looked terrific.
It's always been suggested that the Sovereign could have separated its saucer too, but I wouldn't see any Prometheus-esque warp capability on that either. Unusual Defiant-esque warp engines would be great stuck anywhere though and actually on Prometheus...I always thought that those two plates on either side of the saucer should have raised up, a bit like Risian sails and there have been warp engines/buzzard collectors there.
In STO, we can see the X separate, but the three nacelles stay on the drive section. If the ship has split differently, with say it's spine with a nacelle off at the back like a tail...that would have looked terrific.
It's always been suggested that the Sovereign could have separated its saucer too, but I wouldn't see any Prometheus-esque warp capability on that either. Unusual Defiant-esque warp engines would be great stuck anywhere though and actually on Prometheus...I always thought that those two plates on either side of the saucer should have raised up, a bit like Risian sails and there have been warp engines/buzzard collectors there.
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The Prometheus was designed specifically to have 3 seperate warp capable ships, so it has 2 warpcores, of which one is separable (the one that is in between the lower and middle section). The upper section has its own little warpcore and two small nacelles, one on top which extends when MVAM is active, the other one hidden below, only visible when separated. The two plates on the side of the saucer are actually the impulse engines.
Unless the saucer has go into warp a simple sustainer engine similar to those used in Photon Torpedos could be used taking power from the impulse engines. There's nothing special about the warp core that makes it so it's needed to power the warp engines, it's just a powerful reactor, granted the warp is the only reactor in the ships with fuel/size ration that makes it possible to use higher warp speeds freely.
Impulse engines are powered by Fusion reactors, one or two steps below of an Anti-matter reaction.
They can achieve a Warp Factor speed of 0.5, the energy release is plasma for thrust. This is still under Warp Factor 1 breaking envelope... Source below.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Impulse_engine
Rule of Thumb...any part of a ship, that needs to have warp capabilities, must have a inner Warp core and access to anti-matter.
For the Galaxy D design, it would have been difficult to place, one issue will be it cannot be placed near the Computer Core, unless certains areas of the ship are sacrificed to achieve such a placement. But having two areas of possible vunerabilites in the same area or near too. It can be expolitied to a high degree.
That said...from the photos I've seen, the third warp nacelle took away the main shuttlebay. With that shuttlebay eliminated and repurposed, that could have allowed an internal rearrangement.
That's why I said sustainer engine, photon torps have those, they only sustain the current speed (hence the name), so with such engine config the saucer could keep what speed it had before separation+ any boost it got during separation but not add to it and if it slowed down to sublight it could not re-enter warp.
We also know that the fusion generators that power the impulse engines can be used to power other things as well. The reason warp engines need M/AM based reactors is that power needed to break the warp barrier.
and since we've seen torps fired at warp from the forward firing arc they need some ability to travel at warp speeds (objects without active warp bubble will drop out, we know this as well they can coast for a while but not gain speed but rather are loosing it constantly)
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STO did kinda skirt that later on by making the elements on the saucer more for focusing I guess, hence why the Lance is more of a shotgun blast when separated rather than a powerful beam, but still...
Maybe they did not want to risk a lawsuit
Now see, that makes total sense...although I'm puzzled by the rear deflector dish. The Galaxy X though had a bizarre new impulse engine where the shuttlebay was and if the nacelle really had bee there instead...
Beat me to it.
Uhm, The Phoenix has a Warp drive, what other evidence can provide to show otherwise. As posted earlier, Impulse can't break that break that barrier. And yes, torpedoes can carry the speed of warp, due to being the only object to release a destructive force against another object. They are not built for a long duration of flight.
Source...https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix
We know there are a lot of different warps...matter/antimatter, artificial quantum singularity, soliton waves, the Bajoran solar sails and I think the Dauntless was capable of warp as well as Quantum Slipstream and Paris said that it didn't use antimatter.
For the most part characters were pretty uncomfortable with the idea of the Transporter and preferred using Shuttlepods. The Transporter was mostly used in emergencies, or when they needed the tactical advantage. The Phase weapons were clearly ment to be the ancestor to the Phaser as we know it. While I would have liked to see the EM Plasma weapons more, the Phase weapons were still alright. And Enterprise didn't start with early Photon Torpedoes, she started with Spacial Torpedoes, which I assume may have been nuclear warheads. But as we saw they were painfully SLOW compared to Photonic Torpedoes.
Hell... Enterprise didn't even have shields.
The only thing that at the time may have seemed out of place was the limited use of holograms for target practice. But I guess its natural progression. Limited to Target Practice and no dedicated room (ENT) > dedicated room on an experimental starship (DSC) > Standard on most starships for recreation (TNG)
I think the two things that got to me the most...Enterprise being able to use its transporter to beam vital components about of its future self. And polarizing the hull...which was seemingly more effective than shields. The shuttlepods and decontamination were basically an excuse to have the cast in their underwear, rubbing each other down, but the transporter shouldn't have played a part. And polarizing was an ENT creation, which no series before could have used and would have been great when their shields were down. It shouldn't have been allowed, but the producers couldn't keep having the ship smashed apart...although that is what JJ did in the films.
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I just wish that it could have been more like the decontamination in the original Andromeda Strain. Off with your clothes, a good old spray down like a carwash and then back on duty. Sitting around in a blue sauna, in what ended up looking like a cheap porno, really took you out of an episode.
In STO we do have Polarize Hull, which actually does give a Damage Resistance Buff on top of being able to break a Tractor Lock, but note that its only for a short duration. If we apply that, it could show that the energy effeciency of that capability is nowhere near that of Shields so it can't be kept up as long. And you also need to have nodes throughout the ship in order to impart that charge to the hull, which takes up space.