The Discovery make up team did really well on some of the races, while Klingons were a mixed bag, they did really well on the Andorians, Tellarites, Terrans, Kelpians, Saurian and Barzans I hope we get those DSC redesigned races as well as Kalpians added to the playable roster.
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
The Discovery make up team did really well on some of the races, while Klingons were a mixed bag, they did really well on the Andorians, Tellarites, Terrans, Kelpians, Saurian and Barzans I hope we get those DSC redesigned races as well as Kalpians added to the playable roster.
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
Is that just a thing with modern entertainment though?
Remember, TOS was taken off the air because its following was very small.
I'm guessing a big part of the reason why it may seem that only modern entertainment needs to infuse much action or other stuff that may not be necessary for a good plot, is because it's made for the masses indeed. It's not so much the 'nowadays' that explains what goes into the average movie or series, it's what you put between brackets
[4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
How is that supposed to be any different from what it has always been? Hooks have been around as long as stories have been and stories have always needed to be engaging. Modern audiences are not actually different, humans don't change that much in only 60 years, only the Hollywood hype and focus has. And that focus lately has been more on action film fans rather than a more balanced mix of action, mystery, drama, character study, and comedy fans.
In fact, the focus on high-speed frenetic action and every-line-a-punchline comedy on TV has a lot more to do with hiding the fact that the shows themselves are getting shorter and shorter as the hour or half-hour is stuffed with ever increasing commercials.
Is that just a thing with modern entertainment though?
Remember, TOS was taken off the air because its following was very small.
I'm guessing a big part of the reason why it may seem that only modern entertainment needs to infuse much action or other stuff that may not be necessary for a good plot, is because it's made for the masses indeed. It's not so much the 'nowadays' that explains what goes into the average movie or series, it's what you put between brackets
Actually TOS was taken off the air because of an analysis error. Everything was tied to the Nielson ratings and at the time the "Nielson families" were selected to give a good cross section of the kind of viewer tastes that were prevalent in the early to mid 20th century. Unfortunately, while it did do a fairly good job at conventional shows it failed where science fiction was concerned, studies have since shown that those families consistently rated science fiction lower than the national average.
On top of that, Hollywood was not using the right (from the all-important sponsor perspective) demographic categories yet so they did not see that while it was losing some of the usual flibbertigibbets and non-sci-fi fans it was actually gaining popularity with the male 18 to34 demographic that became the prize category because market research found out (several years too late for TOS) that they were the biggest spenders likely to be influenced by commercials.
You do have a point in that those flibbertigibbets who watch but never become fans of the show itself are the reason most series show a high point at the beginning of each season (especially the pilot itself) and a decline as the season progresses often along with a general decline in viewership from season to season.
A philosophical camp has actually sprung up around that phenomena in Hollywood production circles in the last decade or so, the bang-and-bust crowd that pitches (usually shallow) ideas that don't really have much staying power but are ideal for that initially high but falling non-fan viewer cycle. Often the creators of those pitches have no idea what the endgame would be as it is assumed that they will never need one because of cancellation after a season or two (it is a form of JJ Abrams's Magic Box school of thought).
Unfortunately Kurtzman is one of the frontrunners in that school and apparently many of the others in his team belong to it as well. That is why they are struggling so much to keep DSC going that they do that radical change every season trying to keep it "fresh" and undoubtedly a large part of why they cannot seem to keep multi-season threads going.
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
Is that just a thing with modern entertainment though?
Remember, TOS was taken off the air because its following was very small.
I'm guessing a big part of the reason why it may seem that only modern entertainment needs to infuse much action or other stuff that may not be necessary for a good plot, is because it's made for the masses indeed. It's not so much the 'nowadays' that explains what goes into the average movie or series, it's what you put between brackets
WRONG.
This was before demographics were created. Also, the suits put it on the death slot come season 3.....FRIDAY NIGHTS.
People go out on friday nights.
The suits HATED Trek and wanted to get rid of it.
And, today, we're in the era of appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's the McDonald's, Cardassians and Jerry Springer mentality.
The problem with the STO and DSC "relationship" is that while bringing the ships, characters and "themes" as "toys to play with" is something all companies do when they have a main show running, they usually tend to communicate about the story and it shows when occasionally a toy's description accidentally spoils a major point in a show that hasn't happened yet.
Like recently, one of SW's Bad Batch's first major spoiler was leaked by a figure before the show premiered.
With STO, it seems they have access to the assets but the team seems barred from learning important details about the show which create continuity problems later and brings STO deeper into being set in an alternate universe. For example, at first, the USS Discovery was treated as a well-known ship, instead of something that was somehow unknown and highly-classified, even in the 32nd century.
There is also the problem that the DSC writers probably don't know much either except vague ideas that do not get finalized until the last possible second. That is one of the pillars of the magic box method that Kurtzman is so fond of, and it can work if the writer knows the material well enough since it helps keep the story dynamic (I used something like the magic box (among other methods) for decades running tabletop RP games).
The down side is its ad-hoc nature tends to lead to lost opportunities compared to a more prepared and formalized framework and one must be very careful not to get too lost in the "here, fishy fishy" selling of the mystery aspect as to lose sight of the flow of the rather wispy substance of the underlying "real" plot. Too far one way and it takes on a routine checkbox feel, too far the other way it feels like a directionless tangled mess with often contradictory clues flying around like a swarm of bats where it is easy to write oneself into corners.
> @somtaawkhar said: > Well, in STO they do mention that the Discovery was classified, but J'ula's appearance in the modern day has caused the Discovery, and the events surrounding it, to be unclassified to fight the threat. > > Though, to your larger point, Al Rivera and Andre Emmerson have said they have been told spoilers beforehand. Like, they knew who the Red Angel was, and then who it REALLY was, beforehand. But the rest of the team isn't told everything they are told for security reasons.
Isn’t the STO episode with Stamets when it gets declassified?
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Discovery is just that show that defines new content where no new content was being generated in this games earlier years. However Discovery is so terrible that Cryptic has to select their miracle worker specialization and make it fit within this Star Trek Universe we all play in. So what people are saying is that Kurtzman Discovery is trash and Cryptic Discovery is what is good lol
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
As a Millennial myself, I prefer campy stuff like TOS, Batman (Adam West), Reeves Superman, over the more serious stuff, I'm also not big fan of action stuff myself and personally I don't mind if characters talk or think things out, bring in the more academic stuff and sex appeal, I don't care how skimpy the outfits are or how much skin is shown just it bring in, you pointed out what Hollywood thinks we want but in reality most Millennials like myself would rather have great content with good storytelling and great characters like what Anime and Manga provides.
That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
As a Millennial myself, I prefer campy stuff like TOS, Batman (Adam West), Reeves Superman, over the more serious stuff, I'm also not big fan of action stuff myself and personally I don't mind if characters talk or think things out, bring in the more academic stuff and sex appeal, I don't care how skimpy the outfits are or how much skin is shown just it bring in, you pointed out what Hollywood thinks we want but in reality most Millennials like myself would rather have great content with good storytelling and great characters like what Anime and Manga provides.
West's Batman and those early Superman movies were certainly campy, though to be fair it was not too much of an exaggeration of the comics themselves, back then in the silver and early bronze age of comics DC tended to be a bit campy compared to the deadpan seriousness that Marvel liked to do back then. The villain version of Dr. Light was a great example of that when he tended to forget what he was talking about during soliloquies and whatnot.
I am not sure what you are referring to as campy in regard to TOS though. A lot of people seem to think that production values like outdated special effects make something campy but that is not what camp is unless the production is deliberately done to look like it uses older effects technology as a way of lampooning something from an earlier time. It wasn't a lampoon in TOS, the SFX were movie-grade for the time, which is the main reason the show was always strapped for cash as so much of their budget was eaten by SFX costs.
To be fair, campiness is mostly based in humor, irony, and lightheartedness which TOS does as well to a large degree, but the nuances are totally different between the two (usually anyway, a few episodes did verge on camp).
A lot of the humorous irony in TOS was Kirk's viewpoint coming across, he had little patience for pompousness, political maneuvering, and even regulations beyond a certain point and would go through the motions when required with a rather ironic air, and was amused when the officious numbskulls he had to deal with (like Councilor Yuri) did not pick up on what he was doing.
The difference is that instead of the actors poking fun at the source material and general setting from a viewer perspective (like the way those Batman and Superman shows did), Kirk was directing it at a particular character or characters in the story from a perspective fully contained in the character's viewpoint. The same is true of the other regulars though to a lesser extent, and Bones did lampshade the conventions a bit from time to time, though not enough to call it campy.
On the whole it tended to be more avant garde for its time than anything else, pushing boundaries that many of which have drifted back into place in the post-modern, uptight, self-consciousness that characterizes the stereotype of generation-x (and through that the more conventional and "grounded" aspects of Hollywood culture), which I suppose could be mistaken for campiness.
TRIBBLE is trash, period. Cryptic push it making most of TRIBBLE related gear and traits op. We know who pull the strings so why the surprise?
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becomes "tribble". Man, this forum...
@rattler2 already pointed out that under the FCT thread, the use of that acronym to get around the forum censor is a form of gatekeeping. You probably haven't even looked through this entire thread.
It seems like a 50/50 (maybe more like 60/40) that people in this thread get that there are those that dislike Discovery & Cryptic for spending almost 3 years of the game's development on a story arc based off of it when other series haven't even gotten near as long of a focus. People are being mostly civil about the discussion.
I don't consider Discovery a part of Star Trek. Completely avoiding Disco content in game, trying to forget I watched the TV show or that it ever existed. Awful experience and a good attempt to kill the franchise.
The situation with DSC is complex. Moonves was not trying to kill it even though he doesn't like Star Trek and especially detests TOS. What he wanted to do was use the NAME "Star Trek" to boot CBSAA into profitability but not produce more of the "intellectual (insert derisive expletive here)" that he considered Trek to be.
If he could have he would have simply made Kelvin Trek (and as movies instead of a series) but he could not do that because of legal issues, so they danced around those IP issues as close as they could get without the risk rising too high and swapped in elements of The Undiscovered Country (the movie that Roddenberry had the most objections to) to lower the points of similarity a bit. Unfortunately, even though he left CBS, DSC was already locked into those early choices and the damage control since has been, well..., shall we say less than elegant at best.
What Moonves would never have done would be to deliberately make a bad show with the express purpose of killing one of the companies potentially biggest assets no matter how much he hated it, that would have been career suicide. Unfortunately his ego-fueled games and distaste for science-fiction did damage it and split the fanbase, but he probably thought that bringing in the action movie fans who made the Kelvin movies briefly popular would balance out the loss of a lot of the old fans.
As for PIC, it is in a very awkward position of not being nonstop action enough for a lot of the Kelvin fans but neither is it close enough to TNG (both in the style/feel/depth sense and the compatibility one) to pull in a lot of the Berman era fans for the long haul either. The Numeris rating in Canada (where the show is on the Space channel and so the viewership numbers are more available for analysis) reflect that, with a high initial interest followed by a sharper, larger decline than average.
In the pilot of season 5, could Braxton just show up, blast Discovery with his temporal disruptor/Annorax ship-esque weapon, erase them from history and it just be another incursion the Temporal Integrity Commission correct?
In the pilot of season 5, could Braxton just show up, blast Discovery with his temporal disruptor/Annorax ship-esque weapon, erase them from history and it just be another incursion the Temporal Integrity Commission correct?
Honestly, I wouldn't hold it against him.
Congrats; you just helped CBS keep Disco fresh and also bring in more espionage drama for their S31 series.
S31 is involved via the Guardian of Forever dragging Georgiou back to save the Discovery and her friend Burnham, and S31 going full on espionage across time to stop the erasure of the Discovery with the Guardian's reluctant assistance (because the alternative would be worse, whatever it is). Which then conveniently leads to renewed Temporal Accords preventing more time travel trouble signed in 32c, with Discovery present and all files pertaining to enabling time travel completely erased, including the knowledge of the Red Angel suit and its systems.
I'm probably going to get zapped for saying this myself, but I can't help but notice any thread that's at all critical of Discovery gets locked or deleted. And anyone who makes a criticism of the show, even when it's a polite and intelligent reply or comment, gets banned.
I know that Cryptic is at the mercy of CBS and Discovery is CBS' pride and joy, but I do think we should be able to express an opinion, especially if they help to make changes for the better in Discovery.
My understanding is that they will make content along side current TV show/Movies. so Disco is getting heavy content when compaired to all other content. you'll also find Picard Show content increes other the next year or two.
For anyone that wonders why these threads get locked, look no further then this example.
Simply put, it's posts like this that remove any hint of civil discussion and plummet threads like this into ruin. Now, this is an obvious attempt to bait someone into an angry reply to get this thread closed, and I am not going to fall for it, just simply pointing it out as an example. This is a common tactic used by those that dislike something but either don't have enough logical reasons to support their argument or are simply incapable of properly representing those ideas on a cohesive manner. When that happens, the easiest way is to just spew vitriol hoping to flare reactions and get the thread shut down.
This tactic usually works.
I dont consider Disco Cannon. as they have stated that the reasion the show is so different is that it has to be 25% plus different form trek cannon. No, they didn't. That was John Eaves talking about his personal design goals for the look of the Ent-Nil specifically in DSC. -- WingedHussar its to far from cannon and breaks it. but i just go with the flow. Dont watch the show but will play STO as its all I have.
For anyone that wonders why these threads get locked, look no further then this example.
Simply put, it's posts like this that remove any hint of civil discussion and plummet threads like this into ruin. Now, this is an obvious attempt to bait someone into an angry reply to get this thread closed, and I am not going to fall for it, just simply pointing it out as an example. This is a common tactic used by those that dislike something but either don't have enough logical reasons to support their argument or are simply incapable of properly representing those ideas on a cohesive manner. When that happens, the easiest way is to just spew vitriol hoping to flare reactions and get the thread shut down.
This tactic usually works.
I dont consider Disco Cannon. as they have stated that the reasion the show is so different is that it has to be 25% plus different form trek cannon. its to far from cannon and breaks it. but i just go with the flow. Dont watch the show but will play STO as its all I have.
Sorry to disappoint, but that 25% myth was a misunderstanding from John Eaves. Well that's the awesomeness of Head Canon, you can pick and choose what you feel is Star Trek. The Official Canon is that Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, and The Animated Series are all canon. Granted they may retcon or play loose with the Canon (Not a new thing in Trek).
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That's a problem with Discovery, all they do is toss money at it...the makeup and special effects get a lot of care...if only they put that half the effort they do into those into writing and care of canon it could be a great show....
Instead it's all about pew pew die die die
Bingo.
Nowadays, action sells (to the masses). Sex sells (despite the hypocrisy; to the masses). Inclusiveness sort of sells (it avoids bad press at least, even if half-arsed). Occasional 30 minute long stints of scientifically figuring out how to stop a freak space anomaly from destroying a local world? Too academic (for the masses).
If it isn't immediately engaging, you can forget about modern audience retention. It works in a theater because the movie creators made people pay to get there and watch without distractions. Doesn't quite work the same on the couch, when dinner is also being prepped and the kids are begging you to let them play their video games.
Is that just a thing with modern entertainment though?
Remember, TOS was taken off the air because its following was very small.
I'm guessing a big part of the reason why it may seem that only modern entertainment needs to infuse much action or other stuff that may not be necessary for a good plot, is because it's made for the masses indeed. It's not so much the 'nowadays' that explains what goes into the average movie or series, it's what you put between brackets
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How is that supposed to be any different from what it has always been? Hooks have been around as long as stories have been and stories have always needed to be engaging. Modern audiences are not actually different, humans don't change that much in only 60 years, only the Hollywood hype and focus has. And that focus lately has been more on action film fans rather than a more balanced mix of action, mystery, drama, character study, and comedy fans.
In fact, the focus on high-speed frenetic action and every-line-a-punchline comedy on TV has a lot more to do with hiding the fact that the shows themselves are getting shorter and shorter as the hour or half-hour is stuffed with ever increasing commercials.
Actually TOS was taken off the air because of an analysis error. Everything was tied to the Nielson ratings and at the time the "Nielson families" were selected to give a good cross section of the kind of viewer tastes that were prevalent in the early to mid 20th century. Unfortunately, while it did do a fairly good job at conventional shows it failed where science fiction was concerned, studies have since shown that those families consistently rated science fiction lower than the national average.
On top of that, Hollywood was not using the right (from the all-important sponsor perspective) demographic categories yet so they did not see that while it was losing some of the usual flibbertigibbets and non-sci-fi fans it was actually gaining popularity with the male 18 to34 demographic that became the prize category because market research found out (several years too late for TOS) that they were the biggest spenders likely to be influenced by commercials.
You do have a point in that those flibbertigibbets who watch but never become fans of the show itself are the reason most series show a high point at the beginning of each season (especially the pilot itself) and a decline as the season progresses often along with a general decline in viewership from season to season.
A philosophical camp has actually sprung up around that phenomena in Hollywood production circles in the last decade or so, the bang-and-bust crowd that pitches (usually shallow) ideas that don't really have much staying power but are ideal for that initially high but falling non-fan viewer cycle. Often the creators of those pitches have no idea what the endgame would be as it is assumed that they will never need one because of cancellation after a season or two (it is a form of JJ Abrams's Magic Box school of thought).
Unfortunately Kurtzman is one of the frontrunners in that school and apparently many of the others in his team belong to it as well. That is why they are struggling so much to keep DSC going that they do that radical change every season trying to keep it "fresh" and undoubtedly a large part of why they cannot seem to keep multi-season threads going.
WRONG.
This was before demographics were created. Also, the suits put it on the death slot come season 3.....FRIDAY NIGHTS.
People go out on friday nights.
The suits HATED Trek and wanted to get rid of it.
And, today, we're in the era of appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's the McDonald's, Cardassians and Jerry Springer mentality.
Like recently, one of SW's Bad Batch's first major spoiler was leaked by a figure before the show premiered.
With STO, it seems they have access to the assets but the team seems barred from learning important details about the show which create continuity problems later and brings STO deeper into being set in an alternate universe. For example, at first, the USS Discovery was treated as a well-known ship, instead of something that was somehow unknown and highly-classified, even in the 32nd century.
The down side is its ad-hoc nature tends to lead to lost opportunities compared to a more prepared and formalized framework and one must be very careful not to get too lost in the "here, fishy fishy" selling of the mystery aspect as to lose sight of the flow of the rather wispy substance of the underlying "real" plot. Too far one way and it takes on a routine checkbox feel, too far the other way it feels like a directionless tangled mess with often contradictory clues flying around like a swarm of bats where it is easy to write oneself into corners.
> Well, in STO they do mention that the Discovery was classified, but J'ula's appearance in the modern day has caused the Discovery, and the events surrounding it, to be unclassified to fight the threat.
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> Though, to your larger point, Al Rivera and Andre Emmerson have said they have been told spoilers beforehand. Like, they knew who the Red Angel was, and then who it REALLY was, beforehand. But the rest of the team isn't told everything they are told for security reasons.
Isn’t the STO episode with Stamets when it gets declassified?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
As a Millennial myself, I prefer campy stuff like TOS, Batman (Adam West), Reeves Superman, over the more serious stuff, I'm also not big fan of action stuff myself and personally I don't mind if characters talk or think things out, bring in the more academic stuff and sex appeal, I don't care how skimpy the outfits are or how much skin is shown just it bring in, you pointed out what Hollywood thinks we want but in reality most Millennials like myself would rather have great content with good storytelling and great characters like what Anime and Manga provides.
West's Batman and those early Superman movies were certainly campy, though to be fair it was not too much of an exaggeration of the comics themselves, back then in the silver and early bronze age of comics DC tended to be a bit campy compared to the deadpan seriousness that Marvel liked to do back then. The villain version of Dr. Light was a great example of that when he tended to forget what he was talking about during soliloquies and whatnot.
I am not sure what you are referring to as campy in regard to TOS though. A lot of people seem to think that production values like outdated special effects make something campy but that is not what camp is unless the production is deliberately done to look like it uses older effects technology as a way of lampooning something from an earlier time. It wasn't a lampoon in TOS, the SFX were movie-grade for the time, which is the main reason the show was always strapped for cash as so much of their budget was eaten by SFX costs.
To be fair, campiness is mostly based in humor, irony, and lightheartedness which TOS does as well to a large degree, but the nuances are totally different between the two (usually anyway, a few episodes did verge on camp).
A lot of the humorous irony in TOS was Kirk's viewpoint coming across, he had little patience for pompousness, political maneuvering, and even regulations beyond a certain point and would go through the motions when required with a rather ironic air, and was amused when the officious numbskulls he had to deal with (like Councilor Yuri) did not pick up on what he was doing.
The difference is that instead of the actors poking fun at the source material and general setting from a viewer perspective (like the way those Batman and Superman shows did), Kirk was directing it at a particular character or characters in the story from a perspective fully contained in the character's viewpoint. The same is true of the other regulars though to a lesser extent, and Bones did lampshade the conventions a bit from time to time, though not enough to call it campy.
On the whole it tended to be more avant garde for its time than anything else, pushing boundaries that many of which have drifted back into place in the post-modern, uptight, self-consciousness that characterizes the stereotype of generation-x (and through that the more conventional and "grounded" aspects of Hollywood culture), which I suppose could be mistaken for campiness.
Hahaha
S
T
D
becomes "tribble". Man, this forum...
@rattler2 already pointed out that under the FCT thread, the use of that acronym to get around the forum censor is a form of gatekeeping. You probably haven't even looked through this entire thread.
It seems like a 50/50 (maybe more like 60/40) that people in this thread get that there are those that dislike Discovery & Cryptic for spending almost 3 years of the game's development on a story arc based off of it when other series haven't even gotten near as long of a focus. People are being mostly civil about the discussion.
If he could have he would have simply made Kelvin Trek (and as movies instead of a series) but he could not do that because of legal issues, so they danced around those IP issues as close as they could get without the risk rising too high and swapped in elements of The Undiscovered Country (the movie that Roddenberry had the most objections to) to lower the points of similarity a bit. Unfortunately, even though he left CBS, DSC was already locked into those early choices and the damage control since has been, well..., shall we say less than elegant at best.
What Moonves would never have done would be to deliberately make a bad show with the express purpose of killing one of the companies potentially biggest assets no matter how much he hated it, that would have been career suicide. Unfortunately his ego-fueled games and distaste for science-fiction did damage it and split the fanbase, but he probably thought that bringing in the action movie fans who made the Kelvin movies briefly popular would balance out the loss of a lot of the old fans.
As for PIC, it is in a very awkward position of not being nonstop action enough for a lot of the Kelvin fans but neither is it close enough to TNG (both in the style/feel/depth sense and the compatibility one) to pull in a lot of the Berman era fans for the long haul either. The Numeris rating in Canada (where the show is on the Space channel and so the viewership numbers are more available for analysis) reflect that, with a high initial interest followed by a sharper, larger decline than average.
I think it was more that Roddenberry was a pain in their backsides. Trek would never have seen the light of day without Lucy
This was a sarcastic remark... just FYI.
Most suits are BEAN COUNTERS who THINK they have talent, and intelligence....but they don't.
Honestly, I wouldn't hold it against him.
Congrats; you just helped CBS keep Disco fresh and also bring in more espionage drama for their S31 series.
S31 is involved via the Guardian of Forever dragging Georgiou back to save the Discovery and her friend Burnham, and S31 going full on espionage across time to stop the erasure of the Discovery with the Guardian's reluctant assistance (because the alternative would be worse, whatever it is). Which then conveniently leads to renewed Temporal Accords preventing more time travel trouble signed in 32c, with Discovery present and all files pertaining to enabling time travel completely erased, including the knowledge of the Red Angel suit and its systems.
My understanding is that they will make content along side current TV show/Movies. so Disco is getting heavy content when compaired to all other content. you'll also find Picard Show content increes other the next year or two.
I dont consider Disco Cannon. as they have stated that the reasion the show is so different is that it has to be 25% plus different form trek cannon. No, they didn't. That was John Eaves talking about his personal design goals for the look of the Ent-Nil specifically in DSC. -- WingedHussar its to far from cannon and breaks it. but i just go with the flow. Dont watch the show but will play STO as its all I have.
Sorry to disappoint, but that 25% myth was a misunderstanding from John Eaves. Well that's the awesomeness of Head Canon, you can pick and choose what you feel is Star Trek. The Official Canon is that Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, and The Animated Series are all canon. Granted they may retcon or play loose with the Canon (Not a new thing in Trek).