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dantivirusdantivirus Member Posts: 84 Arc User
I've been away for a while due to another heart surgery and also getting COVID for over 100 days. Decided to come back when I heard you could get Book's ship. It seems to lockbox only and no Z-Store. That kinda did it for me. I've opened far far too many blasted lock boxes only to always get TRIBBLE. Never a ship. So it's just stupid to have me roll the dice again and try and get it. Why not add it to the store where I can buy it and be happy? More and more reason to stop playing I guess. *sigh*
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  • comdrconvoy#7369 comdrconvoy Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Out of curiosity what was the exact reason given for the T6 Constitution?
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,100 Arc User
    Out of curiosity what was the exact reason given for the T6 Constitution?

    Supposedly, so that the game wouldn't be flooded with them. As showed by the 10th anniversary bundle, that "reason" was just an excuse right from the start: they knew they could make way more money by putting it into lockboxes than by selling it directly in the C-Store, so they did. With the anniversary bundle, the profit they made from the Constitution - whichever version of it, doesn't matter - increased ten fold, and will continue to do so every time the bundle comes back in the store.
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    Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.

    Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
    - quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    Cryptic is a business. The game itself is 100% free to play with no monthly fee or expansion fee but they must pay for staff, servers, voice actors, a cut of sales to MS and Sony on console, and royalties to CBS.

    They sell normal faction ships for one price, and special ships for a lot more. Like most F2P games they have gamble boxes, with some of the most desirable stuff only available in them.

    Is that "greed"? Maybe, but it's the model that the majority of players of MMOs have voted for with their wallets. Aside from WoW and ESO, MMOs that tried to live on monthly subs failed. They switched to F2P and gamble boxes to survive.

    It's like websites on the internet: no one loves ads, but everyone wants free content. Ads won out over subscriptions and per-article charges because the majority voted that way. Sorry mom, the mob has spoken. Monorail!
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    Getting the ship without gamble boxes:

    If the going EC price is low enough, you might find them in the Exchange. If it isn't yet, the price might drop over the next week as supply increases.

    If they are in the Exchange, you can get one without gambling by selling lock box keys in the exchange for EC, then using the EC to buy the ship.

  • comdrconvoy#7369 comdrconvoy Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Out of curiosity what was the exact reason given for the T6 Constitution?

    Supposedly, so that the game wouldn't be flooded with them. As showed by the 10th anniversary bundle, that "reason" was just an excuse right from the start: they knew they could make way more money by putting it into lockboxes than by selling it directly in the C-Store, so they did. With the anniversary bundle, the profit they made from the Constitution - whichever version of it, doesn't matter - increased ten fold, and will continue to do so every time the bundle comes back in the store.

    Is that the reason the 10 anniversary bundle keeps getting delisted where as the 11th is still in the store.
  • dantivirusdantivirus Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    dantivirus wrote: »
    Why not add it to the store where I can buy it and be happy?
    While we have no specific sources for why certain ships are released certain ways(besides the T6 Connie, and that CBS said no to generally available enemy faction ships), Cryptic does tend to follow a pattern with ship releases.

    -Zen store ships are ships that the major factions(Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Dominion) would have access too as part of their normal, in-universe, operations.
    -Event, lockbox, and lobi, ships represent ships from enemy factions(Tal Shiar, Tholians), civilian organizations(Risian ships), alternate universes(Kelvin/Mirror), the far future(ENT-J), or that are otherwise limited(Crossfield), that said factions wouldn't have access to as part of their normal operations.
    -R&D Promo ships are usually ultra rare, there was only one ever built, kind of ships(the Jellyfish, Annorax), or enemy faction dreds.

    Book's ship wouldn't be in the zen store not only because its not a Federation, Klingon, Romulan, or Dominion, ship, but also because its also from the far future.

    Well they do have 31st century ships in the zen store. Just very frustrating. I absolutely hate lockboxes, as I have said, I've been here since Alpha and never once gotten a ship from a box. Just absolutely insane.
  • dantivirusdantivirus Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    Getting the ship without gamble boxes:

    If the going EC price is low enough, you might find them in the Exchange. If it isn't yet, the price might drop over the next week as supply increases.

    If they are in the Exchange, you can get one without gambling by selling lock box keys in the exchange for EC, then using the EC to buy the ship.

    Almost 1 billion on the exchange. Far too rich for my taste.
  • dantivirusdantivirus Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    Cryptic is a business. The game itself is 100% free to play with no monthly fee or expansion fee but they must pay for staff, servers, voice actors, a cut of sales to MS and Sony on console, and royalties to CBS.

    They sell normal faction ships for one price, and special ships for a lot more. Like most F2P games they have gamble boxes, with some of the most desirable stuff only available in them.

    Is that "greed"? Maybe, but it's the model that the majority of players of MMOs have voted for with their wallets. Aside from WoW and ESO, MMOs that tried to live on monthly subs failed. They switched to F2P and gamble boxes to survive.

    It's like websites on the internet: no one loves ads, but everyone wants free content. Ads won out over subscriptions and per-article charges because the majority voted that way. Sorry mom, the mob has spoken. Monorail!

    Well I am willing to spend money on the zen store, so they should give us that option. They make money that way as well.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    edited May 2021
    dantivirus wrote: »
    Well I am willing to spend money on the zen store, so they should give us that option. They make money that way as well.

    They apparently make a lot more money with the gamble boxes.

    I'd like to buy an iPhone for $200 like my Moto G5+ cost me, but Apple has decided they want $700+ instead. They'd make some money selling it at $200 or even $500 but they've decided they want $700+. That's their choice, and in response my choice is to buy or not buy at the price they offered. That's life.

    Of course I'm free to complain about the "Apple Tax", and it's fine for you to complain about the "Cryptic Tax" on the best Trek ships. It's only a violation of forum rules if you descend into ranting or attacks, and you've been very civil about it.

    Cryptic has changed things somewhat, with the Legendary ships, Mudd's Market choice packs, and by offering some less popular lock box or promo pack ships for lobi once in a while. They even have the meta-event going on now that awards any lock box or promo pack ship that was released before 2021. The "Cryptic Tax" applies to the rest though.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    'Zen store ships are ships that the major factions(Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Dominion) would have access too as part of their normal, in-universe, operations.'

    Inquiry Class Battlecrusier? I could have had double vision but there were hundreds in the Ryker showdown in 'Picard'. Zen Store? No. R&D Promo.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,844 Arc User
    it's just my opinion, but anything NEW is going to be r&D or lockbox. the C-store offerings are going to be ships we have seen before, either a T1-5 treatment or an new vision of existing, such as the Galaxy getting 2-3 makeovers with the only exception being the Nova, which will be offered as a plain-jane T-6 with no specialist seating, and only available from the Unobtanium lockbox, which must be purchased with bitcoin.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited May 2021
    If you want a lockbox ship, there are 2 things to remember:

    1) don't gamble to get it

    2) buy it off the exchange

    If you need enough EC to buy it off the exchange, there are 3 simple steps:

    1) buy zen

    2) use zen to buy keys/promo packs/whatever

    3) sell those items on the exchange

    That's really all there is to it.

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • livinlifejb90#4082 livinlifejb90 Member Posts: 218 Arc User
    > @thegrandnagus1 said:
    > If you want a lockbox ship, there are 2 things to remember:
    >
    > 1) don't gamble to get it
    >
    > 2) buy it off the exchange
    >
    > If you need enough EC to buy it off the exchange, there are 3 simple steps:
    >
    > 1) buy zen
    >
    > 2) use zen to buy keys/promo packs/whatever
    >
    > 3) sell those items on the exchange
    >
    > That's really all there is to it.

    So in order to be able to afford ONE 1.5bil ship on exchange, with keys at there current ec sale price, you would need to buy 17 10x key bundles. That's a little under 7900 zen. Which is about $80 USD for a single ship.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    So in order to be able to afford ONE 1.5bil ship on exchange, with keys at there current ec sale price, you would need to buy 17 10x key bundles. That's a little under 7900 zen. Which is about $80 USD for a single ship.

    I'm not saying it's cheap. But it is much cheaper than gambling (on average).

    It's also a guaranteed way to actually get it, whereas you could theoretically open 1,000 packs and never actually get a ship.

    Also, for what it's worth, you can grind dil to trade for zen meaning you don't have to buy it all with money.


    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    If you want a lockbox ship, there are 2 things to remember:

    1) don't gamble to get it

    2) buy it off the exchange

    If you need enough EC to buy it off the exchange, there are 3 simple steps:

    1) buy zen

    2) use zen to buy keys/promo packs/whatever

    3) sell those items on the exchange

    That's really all there is to it.

    You forgot the part about gambling that the person you try to buy it from, because the price of the most in-demand ships is beyond the ability of the exchange to handle, is not a scammer.

    Also, I hate to think of how long it would take to grind $80 worth of dil to only get one ship for the whole mountain of it.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    Well, come the on going event, you might have a chance, get a lobbi ship, sell or trade it on exchange or someone who has that ship you want. o.o
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited May 2021
    stuff

    I'm honestly not sure what your main "point" is.

    If it wasn't clear my main point is this: it's better to buy lockbox ships off the exchange than gamble to get them.

    Are you disagreeing with me? Do you think it's better to gamble and hope to get lucky?

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    stuff

    I'm honestly not sure what your main "point" is.

    If it wasn't clear my main point is this: it's better to buy lockbox ships off the exchange than gamble to get them.

    Are you disagreeing with me? Do you think it's better to gamble and hope to get lucky?

    No, I agree that buying them as a sure thing is better than the gambling if you want the ship itself and not a lot of sellable junk and a few lobi. My point is that the prices have inflated so much that the most sought after ships have become a form of gamble, the unmoderated and sometimes chancy direct player-to-player trades because the price is beyond the top figure the exchange can handle.
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,100 Arc User
    stuff

    I'm honestly not sure what your main "point" is.

    If it wasn't clear my main point is this: it's better to buy lockbox ships off the exchange than gamble to get them.

    Are you disagreeing with me? Do you think it's better to gamble and hope to get lucky?

    No, I agree that buying them as a sure thing is better than the gambling if you want the ship itself and not a lot of sellable junk and a few lobi. My point is that the prices have inflated so much that the most sought after ships have become a form of gamble, the unmoderated and sometimes chancy direct player-to-player trades because the price is beyond the top figure the exchange can handle.

    That's true, but unfortunately it's still better than the alternatives. I agree that player-to-player transactions can be problematic, but there are channel that are relatively "safe" for those sort of things - also, maybe someone in your fleet would agree to sell, and that offers another layer of security to the whole thing.

    Of course, the best thing in general would be to have the ships available on the Exchange... but player's greed is matched only by Cryptic's.
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    Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.

    Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
    - quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    Of course, the best thing in general would be to have the ships available on the Exchange... but player's greed is matched only by Cryptic's.

    this....so much this...lol

    Yep, to the point I refer those those guys on exchange as a particular character on the Simpsons, that, for some reason, the mods, get miffed at me when I say it. :|
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  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    dantivirus wrote: »
    Well they do have 31st century ships in the zen store. Just very frustrating. I absolutely hate lockboxes, as I have said, I've been here since Alpha and never once gotten a ship from a box. Just absolutely insane.
    Most of the future ships in the Zen store
    -Paladin
    -Sagittarius
    -Theseus
    -Nautilus
    Are from the era of the Enterprise-J, aka the 26th century, not the 31st. These ships are also T6 versions of the TOS era zen store ships, and are likely only in the Zen store because the T6 version of zen store ships have typically been in the Zen store themselves(outside of the TOS iconics).

    Other future ships from the 26th-32nd centuries like
    -Verne/Qul’poH/Sui’Mor
    -Klein/Chargh’poH/Tal’aura
    -Universe/Durgath/Valkis
    -Rozhenko/Aeon
    -Paradox
    -Janeway Class
    -Book's ship
    -Jovian raider
    Are all lockbox, lobi, or R&D promo ships.

    The post you quoted is talking about the 31st century ships in the C-store. What does that have to do with all these other ships you are listing? The answer is nothing at all.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    edited May 2021
    valoreah wrote: »
    Why would you need to worry about "scammers" if you are buying a ship from the exchange?

    With inflation from Admiralty and a lack of EC sinks, promo pack ships are going over the current exchange limit. Lock box ships were still OK the last I checked so that doesn't apply to Book's ship.

    Besides trying to come up with EC sinks the exchange limit needs to be raised again.



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