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Why a thread was closed - freedom of expressing like or dislike; KDF Recruit. Event Disliikes
rascally8abbit
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I read the op comments about nothing new and he didn't say anything that wasn't exactly 100% false. Many many players and guilds have been talking about this. Many of us would like to get like some time off between events. However I don't see a good enough reason for its closure. I also don't like that it was closed by a community moderator who left his comments and then closed it. Have we reached a stage where threads are closed only after a reply with someone who can close threads and hence gets the last words in.
Some of the things he said are all but true. My main concern is the way the thread was closed. I won't cover anything he said as I am sure I would violate the rules and suffer a penalty. However why could that not be left open for players to speak their mind. A game can only improve with devs knowing what the players are looking for or don't want or don't agree on. Many games now are practicing the very disappointing microtransactions for so many things and giving out items that sometimes make other older gear look and maybe even less powerful. I don't know if I am allowed to list examples so I will let you research on your own Tank is one of them.
So I encourage restraint on the mods part. If he used multiple foul language and used actual names of devs, then yes that should be closed and possibly deleted. However while all companies have the power to do what they want with their own forums, censorship or blocking legitimate complaints is a very bad for the game. The players will seek out other forums where they can speak their mind and what is viewed as a legitimate power to silence gets mixed with minor comments about the devs and skimmed the surface at that, will mean we can't post things we don't like, that only positive statements or a bug report is allowed. Then that will cause the official forums to have fewer and fewer people posting and be limited to just those who either don't post at all or those who want to make a positive spin or request on something in the game.
I am slightly disappointed by the Klingon Recruitment Event. Here is why:
1. Melee and Stealth - 1000 or more required. Melee combat is not easy in this game. When you deal with a normal mission that can have many attackers you boff's that beam down either will have to be turned to passive or only equipped with melee weapons which doesn't always work with the boff's ai. The stealth factor or cloaked, there isn't any need for that as most missions can be easily done without needing to use a cloak. Few if any at all use a cloak as a required way to finish an entire mission.
2. Rewards like gear appropriate for players level has mostly been gear that you get better versions from reputation or crafting. It kills the incentive to push if the gear is just typical fair of ship and ground items.
3. More content was needed. I do believe that for the KDF Recruit. Event to be as fun as the devs had hoped it would be is that no major and numerous additions to current content was done. I was expecting a huge new set of missions for the KDF ones that are brand new. I know the devs redid some missions and most they applied more current graphic improvements but that leaves a great deal to desires without more (8-10 missions that are brand new and present stuff not available in the KDF side of toons before the event.
4. How to get rewards also was a let down. It is like you took the template which has been used for all of the other recruit events but then pulled out all the little stuff and left or put back in the most demanding of requirements to get the rewards, for example:
a. 2000 Melee Kills. I am still just grinding the events as there is no time for anything else to progress on in or on any toon's unfinished quests/missions/recruit goodies. I have got to 100 on melee kills, and maybe up to 100 on cloak kills, but the cloak kills really weren't needed as a normal assault will work, so it just means run with cloak to where you would normally fight and then decloak and fight. So this is tedious and almost like a punishment.
b. Endeavors - this is simply an out of the world job to expect players to have to have the KDF recruits do all of your daily end. missions/quests. For many players, their KDF might not be the best choice for a certain endeavor. I have been letting the kdf recruit do my dailies that are considered reasonable or can be done without spending hours and swapping around of gear and ships.
c. Admiralty, Crafting/upgrading, doff - focus so narrow on just lvl 10 in kdf admiral, upgrade sword of kah to 15, max doff area of marauding which is very easy to do on the kdf side, after all that is where many fed toons got their contraband from - not the exchange but having 1 or 2 kdf toons who rake in so many.
d. Ques - 150 randoms? Most players have played the TFO/STF or whatever you want to call them that it is now more or less set your clock for when you have to stop pressing keys in a part of a mission and then reposition your hands and then next and so on, okay maybe not that easy you still have to fly towards a target and change targets but it is already built into muscle memory is what I am trying to say.
In the final analysis the KDF event I was banking on all sorts of new story lines and content and quest and tfo/stf/red alerts and so on and didn't get that. I was expecting a new reputation that would be exclusive to KDF but the rewards for entire account would still be possible.
Some of the things he said are all but true. My main concern is the way the thread was closed. I won't cover anything he said as I am sure I would violate the rules and suffer a penalty. However why could that not be left open for players to speak their mind. A game can only improve with devs knowing what the players are looking for or don't want or don't agree on. Many games now are practicing the very disappointing microtransactions for so many things and giving out items that sometimes make other older gear look and maybe even less powerful. I don't know if I am allowed to list examples so I will let you research on your own Tank is one of them.
So I encourage restraint on the mods part. If he used multiple foul language and used actual names of devs, then yes that should be closed and possibly deleted. However while all companies have the power to do what they want with their own forums, censorship or blocking legitimate complaints is a very bad for the game. The players will seek out other forums where they can speak their mind and what is viewed as a legitimate power to silence gets mixed with minor comments about the devs and skimmed the surface at that, will mean we can't post things we don't like, that only positive statements or a bug report is allowed. Then that will cause the official forums to have fewer and fewer people posting and be limited to just those who either don't post at all or those who want to make a positive spin or request on something in the game.
I am slightly disappointed by the Klingon Recruitment Event. Here is why:
1. Melee and Stealth - 1000 or more required. Melee combat is not easy in this game. When you deal with a normal mission that can have many attackers you boff's that beam down either will have to be turned to passive or only equipped with melee weapons which doesn't always work with the boff's ai. The stealth factor or cloaked, there isn't any need for that as most missions can be easily done without needing to use a cloak. Few if any at all use a cloak as a required way to finish an entire mission.
2. Rewards like gear appropriate for players level has mostly been gear that you get better versions from reputation or crafting. It kills the incentive to push if the gear is just typical fair of ship and ground items.
3. More content was needed. I do believe that for the KDF Recruit. Event to be as fun as the devs had hoped it would be is that no major and numerous additions to current content was done. I was expecting a huge new set of missions for the KDF ones that are brand new. I know the devs redid some missions and most they applied more current graphic improvements but that leaves a great deal to desires without more (8-10 missions that are brand new and present stuff not available in the KDF side of toons before the event.
4. How to get rewards also was a let down. It is like you took the template which has been used for all of the other recruit events but then pulled out all the little stuff and left or put back in the most demanding of requirements to get the rewards, for example:
a. 2000 Melee Kills. I am still just grinding the events as there is no time for anything else to progress on in or on any toon's unfinished quests/missions/recruit goodies. I have got to 100 on melee kills, and maybe up to 100 on cloak kills, but the cloak kills really weren't needed as a normal assault will work, so it just means run with cloak to where you would normally fight and then decloak and fight. So this is tedious and almost like a punishment.
b. Endeavors - this is simply an out of the world job to expect players to have to have the KDF recruits do all of your daily end. missions/quests. For many players, their KDF might not be the best choice for a certain endeavor. I have been letting the kdf recruit do my dailies that are considered reasonable or can be done without spending hours and swapping around of gear and ships.
c. Admiralty, Crafting/upgrading, doff - focus so narrow on just lvl 10 in kdf admiral, upgrade sword of kah to 15, max doff area of marauding which is very easy to do on the kdf side, after all that is where many fed toons got their contraband from - not the exchange but having 1 or 2 kdf toons who rake in so many.
d. Ques - 150 randoms? Most players have played the TFO/STF or whatever you want to call them that it is now more or less set your clock for when you have to stop pressing keys in a part of a mission and then reposition your hands and then next and so on, okay maybe not that easy you still have to fly towards a target and change targets but it is already built into muscle memory is what I am trying to say.
In the final analysis the KDF event I was banking on all sorts of new story lines and content and quest and tfo/stf/red alerts and so on and didn't get that. I was expecting a new reputation that would be exclusive to KDF but the rewards for entire account would still be possible.
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I usually don't comment on these kinds of things, but I will say I agree with this 100%.
Using your power to get the last word is not a good look. If the thread violates a rule, just give the reason for the closure and lock it, that should be it. If you put your reply then leave it open for discussion.
I assume it's not done out of malice, but it's a practice I would like to see put to rest. Overall though, there is nothing anyone can do about it, so the mods can pretty much do what they want. This thread will soon be closed too and more then likely this comment will be deleted, but hopefully whoever does will consider first the way this practice looks to the rest of the community.
If it's a violation, just lock it. Don't use your power to always get the last word, that's not the intent of moderation authority.
Doesn't matter, you questioned the moderation.. they will close it.
Speaking of which @rattler2 or @darkbladejk your glaze is requested on this one.
QFT. It's only one mod who does this really. To OP, I recommend contacting support about them.
Like yeah, in some cases I can get that, if someone was banned you don't want them making a new account and ranting about it.
But in a case like this where someone is simply questioning the moderation of someone else, I think its pretty fair.
Which is sad.
No argument here.
The German STO forum counterpart is a good example.
I hope it will not happen here.
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Well said, but I must disagree about the cloak kills. With how badly battle cloaks are borked, it was a huge mistake to include a goal of 2500 ambush kills. When you get stuck in cloak 9/10 when you recloak while in red alert, it becomes painful just to get 100 kills, let alone 2500.
I have my post moderated a gazillion times and there is always a reason why they do this. If you have a point don't discuss it openly but create a ticket and go through proper channels. Keeping an open mind and abiding by their rules do help and being respectful goes a long way to get a dispute resolved.
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There's no need for moderation, Pete. Just look at this thread... look at the total posts and the number of people that just blindly go "if they moderated, they had a reason; questioning that is not allowed, yadda yadda yadda".
This forum is already half dead as it is, and it's basically because of people like this.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
"Mods GIVE a reason" is a very different response from "mods HAVE a reason"
It doesn't require blind trust when the reason is given right there in the thread: FCT, ranting or trolling, naming and shaming, off-topic discussions.
I can't recall the last time I've seen a lock that I considered improper moderation but that's just my opinion of course.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
And the jury finds me innocent.
You said "people that just blindly go "if they moderated, they had a reason; "
If you read my response, I haven't blindly accepted any moderation. I've read the thread, read the moderator's post on why it was closed, and agreed with the moderation for that thread on a thread by thread basis.
It's fair to say that I agree with the level of moderation in these forums, not that I accept it blindly.
Well, I mean, there was this one Nova thread a couple of months ago...
To be fair, that was at the request of the OP.
The rules on the forum should be simple. You're free to express your opinion, but it must be civil, but also, it must not 'dictate, cause offence, insult etc'. Freedom of Expression is limited to the IP holder's rules when it comes to private forums. It is neither constructive, helpful nor fosters a community sense of unity when folk assume 'freedom of speech' means 'any speech'. Someone who goes on a rant, then complains about being moderated to attempt to garner sympathy or create a toxic attitude towards the mods, who mostly do this voluntarily, can quickly cause alot of reputational damage just out of sheer spite. And you only need to sit in ESD to see who I'm talking about.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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