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Triple specialization ships? Or best ship!

aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
Have they added or will they ever add triple specialization ships?

I'm personally looking for Lt. Com commander., Lt. Com. Intel, Ensign+ Temporal. Plus LT. Com. Tactical separate from the others.

It's for a torpedo spam build or an accompanying energy proc build.
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    echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,914 Arc User
    I very much doubt we get triple specialization ships.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    Dual spec ships kind of stretch the idea of specialization as it is. How specialized can having a whole bunch of "specialties" be before it becomes a "generalist" ship?
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    aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    Is there a ship with this requirement then? My current goal was to get a spearhead and use heisengburg amplification. But if I go command I could switch ships.

    https://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/dc9ae0d498c98d65fea5c4eb43415aa5
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nRbJP_FXaiGLnofUK4JyQTibF-MK75J7HKqCymehyJc/edit#gid=0

    Traits:
    Unconventional systems
    Intelligence Agent Attache'
    Fragment of AI Tech
    Onboard Dilithium Recrystallizer?
    Pseudo Submission
    Entwined Tactical Matrices

    Doffs:
    3x Warp theorists (40% chance: +10 Control Expertise skill for 20 sec)
    3x Projectile weapons officers (20% chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec)

    Consoles:
    Graviton Displacer
    Plus others.

    I need to run:(at minimum)
    Tactical:
    Fire at will I
    Scatter Cannon Volley I
    Torpedo Spread III (preferably)

    Science:
    Jam Sensors I
    Sensor Scramble I
    Photonic Shockwave I
    Gravity well or Photonic officer III (else peak efficiency)

    Engineering:
    Engineering Team I
    Emit Unstable Warp Bubble I
    Eject Warp Plasma? (optional)

    Intel:
    Viral Impulse Burst
    Electromagnetic pulse probe
    Ionic Turbulence

    Command:
    Concentrate fire power
    Reroute power from lifesupport(optional)

    Originally also built around:
    Temporal:
    Heisenburg amplifier (for procing unconventional systems.)




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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    As far as I know of the only science spearhead in the game so far is one of the Crossfield subtypes, and it is intelligence + temporal.
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    szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    This kind of reminds me of requests asking for borg cubes with 20 omni-direction weapon slots..

    As for the ship you're asking for.. The Ba'ul ship would probably be the closest side-grade with it its cmdr Intel/ lt Cmd seats:
    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ba'ul_Sentry_Vessel
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    aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    I was looking at that one. And it's much cheaper on the market. And the starship trait goes good with it and the mycelial defense set.

    Does sentry mode work with Guardian defense drones? That would be interesting as I could pop them together. Those could be interesting together with gcd.

    Plus I can do grav well and photonic to some level. I just loose all the torp spam abilities that come with the spearhead science vessel. I also wasn't sure if black alert did a lot of damage or not. I would be casting it pretty frequently.

    Does sentry mode make non antiproton fire antiproton or do I have to have antiproton weapons on it?

    I was watching a video on sentry mode. I wonder if the nose up position would make all 180 degree plus weapons have 360 degree coverage. If it flips to a side plane instead of front to back that might be interesting. Although I guess your altitude would start to come in play. I'm assuming the fact that most of the game enemies are on the same plane makes PVE fairly simple with this.

    I'm assuming sentry also reduces the damage reduction from range by firing from the sentries position(s). Not sure as all reviewers on youtube have no capacity to actually know anything about what they are reviewing besides rambling endlessly about nothing. It's like Seinfeld became the inspiration for all tech reviews in the 21'st century.

    I'm going to buy a baul sentry then a tholian iktomi for improved officer reduction:

    Traits:
    Unconventional systems
    Intelligence Agent Attache'
    Fragment of AI Tech
    Pseudo Submission

    Starship Traits:
    Entwined Tactical Matrices
    Intruder Discouragement
    Improved Photonic Officer
    Point Defense Protocols
    Onboard Dilithium Recrystallizer
    Strike From Shadows
    ----
    Automated Aggression (eventually, or other torp spam ability. Probably too expensive)

    Doffs:
    3x Warp theorists (40% chance: +10 Control Expertise skill for 20 sec)
    3x Projectile weapons officers (20% chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec)

    Consoles:
    Graviton Displacer
    Plus others.

    Tactical:
    Fire at will I
    Scatter Cannon Volley I
    Torpedo Spread III

    Science:
    Jam Sensors I
    Sensor Scramble I
    Photonic Shockwave I
    Photonic officer III

    Engineering/command:
    Engineering Team I
    Concentrate Firepower II

    Intel:
    Viral Impulse Burst
    Electromagnetic pulse probe
    Ionic Turbulence
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    I have the Iktomi, it is a nice science ship. I plan to eventually X-upgrade it but I am doing the account-unlock ships I use the most first since that is the most efficient use of the upgrades.
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    szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    aftulus wrote: »
    I was looking at that one. And it's much cheaper on the market. And the starship trait goes good with it and the mycelial defense set.

    Does sentry mode work with Guardian defense drones? That would be interesting as I could pop them together. Those could be interesting together with gcd.

    Plus I can do grav well and photonic to some level. I just loose all the torp spam abilities that come with the spearhead science vessel. I also wasn't sure if black alert did a lot of damage or not. I would be casting it pretty frequently.

    Does sentry mode make non antiproton fire antiproton or do I have to have antiproton weapons on it?
    SNIP

    I don't have a box to copy over to tribble to test all that right now, but I'll try to answer some things:

    Black Alert is moreso in the gimmick territory. There are worse things you could slot, but it's definitely not what I would consider a 'cornerstone' trait that's worth building around by itself. (I have a theme build on my Elachi Qulash that uses Black Alert with Photonic Diversion to summon a bunch of copies of itself - It's amusing, but not particularly effective/deadly.)

    You could consider getting the Ceaseless Momentum Starship Trait for torp-spam if you're Fed-aligned. The price has gone up, but it's still much cheaper than trying to get the actual ship it comes from.

    Sentry mode is purely AP damage - think of it like an automated point defense system. The 'platforms' use your ship as a visual tether, but the system selects targets to fire upon independently from you(r weapons). (I had an amusing idea of pairing it on an Advanced Obelisk with its AP-lightning console/set and the guardian drones as a theme build, but I doubt I'll get around to it.)
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    aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    Picked up ceaseless momentum for 22.5 mill. Didn't even know it existed.

    I'm trying to make a proton/antiproton build. So, I'm getting all proton consoles and as many antiproton ones as I can get while also maximizing torp spam.

    Do guardian drones do ap damage. I haven't been able to find a way to test it. I know they don't give ap damage in regards to endeavors. I was waiting to get the ba'ul sentry ship and test it with the sentry console. I always though they were ap damage, but nothing says they are or even mentions their damage type in game. It's a bit of mystery atm.

    Currently I have the dyson proton set, prolonged, morphogenic, working on the lorca's torp set. (this was originally going on a crossfield spearhead) But since I'm changing to photonic officer as my source of recharge and getting an ap oriented ship I'm getting the lobi ap set now when I can get it. And I changed prolonged out for the crystaline ap torp and extra slot space.

    I'm probably going to get either proton/ap or proton/torp consoles.

    The proton consoles are actually pretty strong from what I've been using. They have very rapid fire over a lot of targets. I'm hoping they go good with antiproton.

    I have the alliance bombardment which is nice for the extra turn ability. I want the alliance lance for it's cycle haste and lance ability, but it's not available atm. Hoping it get released on pheonix some day. Hopefully with the console independent. Although the shield skill it has looked interesting if I need defense.
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    redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    szerontzur wrote: »
    This kind of reminds me of requests asking for borg cubes with 20 omni-direction weapon slots..

    it's the weapons that are omni, not the slots :wink:

    5/5 weapon-layout with 2/5/5/5 uni/eng/sci/tac-consoles, all specialisations with 6 CMDR-universal BOFF-slots and experimental one-shot cutting beam, plus 3 hangars with Borg Sphere-frigates :smiley:
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    aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    Does anyone know if automated aggression procs off of concentrate firepowers high yield? If the high yield is technically the basic tactical high yield it could potentially activate it for some very nasty torp action.

    Also does anyone know if guardian defense drones and sentry mode consoles work together. I'm hoping they also work with the baul lobi set. But I'm guessing that might not be the case.
    szerontzur wrote: »
    This kind of reminds me of requests asking for borg cubes with 20 omni-direction weapon slots..

    it's the weapons that are omni, not the slots :wink:

    5/5 weapon-layout with 2/5/5/5 uni/eng/sci/tac-consoles, all specialisations with 6 CMDR-universal BOFF-slots and experimental one-shot cutting beam, plus 3 hangars with Borg Sphere-frigates :smiley:



    That might be realistic if we get tier 7. We have tier 6 with 4/4 on a rare occasion with 2 hanger pets. It wouldn't be out of nowhere to have a 5/5 tier 7 ship. And if we actually get a borg cube the best bet is currently probably if they ever go to tier 7.
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    szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    aftulus wrote: »
    Does anyone know if automated aggression procs off of concentrate firepowers high yield? If the high yield is technically the basic tactical high yield it could potentially activate it for some very nasty torp action.

    Also does anyone know if guardian defense drones and sentry mode consoles work together. I'm hoping they also work with the baul lobi set. But I'm guessing that might not be the case.
    There is no interaction between Automated Aggression and Concentrate Firepower. The description for the former is referring specifically to the projectile that the trait itself launches; no other.

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'work together'; Guardian and Sentry consoles do their own thing independently with no outside interactions. (The only interaction I can think of that "might" be a thing is Kemocite Laced Weaponry. I haven't tested it recently, but I know KLW atleast used to work with consoles like the Torpedo Point Defense System and Microprojectile Barrage Launcher - to great effect, I might add.)

    As for Proton.. you've chosen a painful path if you want to go all out with it. If they ever do a T6 Dyson Destroyer, that will likely be the best platform for such a build(they have an exclusive set with proton attacks and proton damage enhancement). It can also be quite costly if you want to go for some of the specialty outliers:
    D4x console does proton damage - I believe it's counted as kinetic instead of energy damage though.
    Delta Doff Pack Trait does proton damage automatically to nearby targets; it's usually around 100m on the exchange, IIRC.
    Sistruus Experimental Weapon does Proton Damage. It's not really applicable to these science ships, but it would be potentially usable on a Science Destroyer('s tactical mode).
    Gagarin/Qugh's Console does Proton Damage and is effected by EPG as well.
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    aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    I have all of the proton weapons besides the experimental and the energy shunt one. I'm working on getting it as I"m going to focus on using entwined tactial matrixes on a lot of my builds for torpedo spam. Hopefully they don't get in the way of the antiproton items. They are pretty strong from what I've seen. My standards might be low though. I also don't have the dyson specific ship stuff.

    I'm trying to save up for the ba'ul ship now and any specific ships/missing items.

    Yea, point defense is currently around 75 mil. I don't remember what I payed for it. More than I was thinking though.

    Edit: Is there any hint in the show of a bigger ba'ul ship. It would be nice to have these same slots and a 5/3 or similar.
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