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Vault Ensnared Remake - Are you nutz?
doctorstegi
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So I like the remake in general but don't get upset if people are sitting for 7 minutes when they web the station. No bonus marks for that and on top of that if you don't engage in fighting the station gets webbed in faster and you save over a minute for the same amount of marks. Does anybody who makes these TFO's actually think about it?...
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For example:
Yet my new Delta Recruit is trying to do Dyson Sphere and just got to 42 with Mk X Very Rare Gear doing every single Mission up to Tower Control; yet can't even scratch Voth without repeated deaths. And yet they also regenerate far faster than I can scratch them too, all the missing lower level mission you'd previously be able to do at lower levels (now you can't access them till 65) so ehem, heheh... I mean we shouldn't be getting to Sphere before level 50 at least, perhaps then I'd have a bit more Pen with weapons or Shield, also Voth to were 8 levels senior to me so that too makes a huge difference as well, since their HP is far higher than mine, among other things.
So that to me is kind of funny, but can be resolved in 2-3.5h depending how many TFOs you play.
I'm was almost tempted to just delete my new Delta, as I already had 1 Delta from ages ago, along with 1 of every other Recruit. Now I'll just have to put a *big pause* on advancing missions, and just run TFOs till I'm at least closer to 50 to earn several more skill points, then perhaps try it again. Only takes a few hours, and when I got to Voth at 50 with all Fleet Mk XII Gear the difference was remarkable; since he was created I had saved all my Dilithium up possibly just for that reason alone. As I noticed once before another toon had previously experienced that similar thing getting there before 50.
*sigh*
But to your point, I wished they had done far more to Vault Ensnared to make it seem or least look or feel a bit different changing the Nebulae color...
I'd love to see more of the dark grey dots there too, rather than so many of the bright grey, though I think they may have done that in fact!
Just too bad they hadn't reduced their size a by by 20% reducing the size of those dots (blocking) view by few pixels too, so they make it a little bit more visible inside (still the fog of war there is too great) and needs to be easier to see. I know some who don't have the best sight, so they avoid that Nebulae for that reason, yet now the end boss fight takes place there.
And if you Collapse the Tholian Web, that should also give bonus marks; I'm not sure if it does, yet it certainly very well should!
I thought it was originally a failure if the Vault got fully webbed, but I have no first hand experience because it has never happened to me.
Originally, if the Vault became fulled webbed, a cutscene would play where Obisek ordered deployment of an omni-directional thalaron blast to prevent it from being dragged into another dimension - I don't remember if it also caused mission failure or not, though.
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No, they didn't.
Not sure why anyone says this.. they're the same enemies they always were.
That being said, i agree with the sentiment that lower dps players shouldn't have to be indirectly penalized because the content is not hard enough for players who do crazy amount of DPS. I mean they could always downgrade to some lower gear to make it more challenging.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well, that's just consistent with all the newish STFs they've released in what, the last 2 or 3 years? Go in, do nothing, get rewarded because you can't fail and the queue runs on a timer, (visible or invisible), so I'm not surprised to be honest.
It's an abhorrent way of making content, one that has reduced STO's playerbase to a bunch of clickers that cry and complain when "oh nooooooo, I have to make 3 jumps! This is unacceptable!".
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
No you don't you never did. But feel free to test it in different version as I did yesterday. They way it is right now they encourage to play AFK since it takes less time to get to the end fight.
I agree but in this instance they actively encourage to be AFK because you actually gain a time advantage from that.
This pretty much sums it up, and is one of the main reasons that I play the game less and less each week. The lazy/boring designs of the more recent TFOs is really off putting for me. But there definitely seems to be a large portion of the player base that want a more casual (IMO boring) gaming experience.
New ones like Pahvo Dissension are a prime example of everything that is wrong with the current TFO’s and to me its those TFO's are the definition of lazy/boring design. That was where the devs started going so wrong with the designs. Pahvo Dissension and other auto complete, auto handout TFO's like it are just so badly designed, flawed and so boring to play.
While I love the concept of the Competitive TFO’s they failed and are so unpopular due to how badly deigned they are. It’s a shame the devs abandoned them just because players dislike Competitive TFO’s. The problem isn’t the concept. It’s the poor design, poor implantation by the devs. The idea itself is really good its the implantation that needs improving. Kind of like Synth Wave it’s a terrible TFO but the concept is really good and has great potential. Its just needs a proper decent design/revamp up to modem standards.
Its not all bad. While the devs got the revamp of the Vault wrong and made it worse. They devs did a good job with Azura Nebula and made that one much better.
I mean, tbf I don't mind if there's easier content and I'd love for the difficulty levels to actually matter for both normal and advanced, so that everyone can enjoy the game at their own speed - because not everyone enjoy high difficulties and that's fine! A game should accomodate all it's players, but yes: in this case, the crowd of the casual gamers are having the time of their lives while people that wants a challenge are left with fewer and fewer options with every new queue that gets released. It's... frustrating, to say the least.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Perhaps they may they have added a few more of the dark dots though, which would have been nice. Perhaps asking them to reduce their pixel size a by 20% be too much. Still it's very nice to see them at least refreshing or revising some older TFO's, and I suspect we still may still yet see some final changes or revisions to Azure or Vault. Yet no way to be certain...
Still reman's seem to like the color purple, as that seems the color of the Lights on New Romulus in the lower city area's you can't access. Be nice to see a more purple-ish Blue Violet. Perhaps they can use this as inspiration.
Perhaps they give a bit more Blue or Purple feel to at edges of the more pink tones, yet it does appear more purple in the higher parts of the Nebulae. Maybe that's why the Reman's like the Vault, it's proximity to that color Nebulae likely why they built the Vault floating on the Asteroid nearby.
Though I always wished they'd let us go down using the turbo lift in the Embassy or New Romulus Command. Yet I understand why they don't let Federation or Klingons visit as you can recruit Romulan Bridge Officer's that wouldn't be usable, yet if you got one you could always use Shared Bank or Mail to give to a Romulan toon.
Be lovely even to see a Embassy 4 extend the turbo lift to the Reman level. Think that be amazing!
I was mainly talking about the heavy use of timegates in these new TFOs. Take Synth Wave as an example. All you have to do is warp in, launch pets, and wait. The entire team could do this and the TFO would auto complete, no problem.
On a side note, I think you have a very low standard for "team tactics".
Naw stop it now silly, that would mean the epic mk xv upgraded gear where you put time and or money in would actually make sense and give you an advantage... nah nah nah that would make sense so please...
In my expreince when Pahvo Dissension comes up that is the TFO the groups sleep walk though as it’s so basic and badly designed lacking any real team work. When Infected Space comes up that is the one where people start paying attention as team work, team tactics and player communication make a difference.
Time gates are ok or even good when used correctly. But to make all time gates fixed without a way to reduce them is poor old-fashioned design. It doesn’t defeat the purpose of the time gate. In fact, having a time agate that can be modified both up and down can help improve team tactics, add reasons for players to communicate and work as a team.
That is not an inherently self-destructive mindset and doesn’t automatically mean getting to the top of the leader board. For many is a positive mindset when done correctly it can promote team work, promote player communication, promote a sense of accomplishment, strengthens the community and increase team tactics and help reduce Elitism by working together.
Why do you often make up these fictional stories then unfairly paint an entire community in a false way. That’s very much what actual Elitist people do themselves, then again over the years I always found you have an Elitist attitude. You come across as trying to make yourself sound better then them. DPSers and Elitist’s are not mutually exclusive. DPS chasers doesn’t mean all the rubbish you put above, what you wrote only applies to a tiny subset of people not general DPSers or the community as a whole, yet you painted the entire community in a false negative way. Its no wonder so many people see you as having an Elites attitude.
Agreed: there *should* be a variety of content available for as many "groups" as possible - i.e., the casuals that just want to have fun pew pewing stuff with minimum effort, the story/lore driven players that enjoys story content above all else, the ones that likes putting their skills to the test with challenging content, and so fort and so fort.
Right now, as far as group content goes, STO has very little to offer to anyone that wants to have fun while doing something challenging: no tactics required in the vast majority of queues, no need to do anything but dps unless you go for elites because support roles are more of an hindrance than anything else (especially with the endeavour system that may require one or more player to heal, in which case having someone else healing you is counterproductive), queues that goes on solely on a timer (visibile or otherwise) and will finish successfully regardless of what you do or don't.
The endgame is basically non existent and while I do not expect to have raid-like content - and god forbid they even think about it: people would go ballistic because "how dare you put in content that I can't do by just clicking a few buttons?!" - but there's a difference between raids and mindless pew pew pew.
In medio stat virtus.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Proof it. If you know for a fact. I think I know for a fact that if there was extra marks to be made Cryptic would have used it the same way in the remake. That way they wouldn't have to figure out where to put the marks and how to do it since math isn't their strong suit. You are one of these people here on the forums who seem to know it all but provide very little if at all proof that you are right. So back up your "facts" or shut up. I'm tired of Forum Heroes who talk a bunch but by the end have on clue what they are actually talking about.