Honestly I think the Cheyenne would be a battlecruiser.
According to the Eaglemoss Star ship collection - which is itself not canon, however comes with a ton of background information to the ships, it's a rather light patrol cruiser, which is also what I always saw in it. I pictured it as a kind of not only defensive but also S&R patrol craft, responding to ships that are stranded and in need of repair. I have nothing to base this on, I just thought it seemed fitting. It doesn't really communicate more "battle readiness" than any other Starfleet ship of the time to me.
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Honestly I think the Cheyenne would be a battlecruiser.
According to the Eaglemoss Star ship collection - which is itself not canon, however comes with a ton of background information to the ships, it's a rather light patrol cruiser, which is also what I always saw in it. I pictured it as a kind of not only defensive but also S&R patrol craft, responding to ships that are stranded and in need of repair. I have nothing to base this on, I just thought it seemed fitting. It doesn't really communicate more "battle readiness" than any other Starfleet ship of the time to me.
Analysis of the original model (documented on Ex Astris Scientia) showed it to be about 360 meters in length (about 20 meters longer than a New Orleans and about 5 meters longer than a Norway) which would be way too small for a battlecruiser. It might be a bit big for a patrol ship, something more like the Nova in size (221m) would seem more likely, but Starfleet certainly does not like to pack people into close quarters so the size is reasonable if they intended it to operate in very long deployments like real-world radar picket ships used to (which would remain out even longer than missile subs).
it really depends on what version of the miranda we're talking about technically speaking the miranda is better armed then the connie but both are obsolete designs it was not until the excelsior with it's modular design that the a ship was truly completely upgradable and even then unless your benefector is a corrupt admiral i don't see starfleet doing massive upgrades to the very old excelsior the ones we saw in the dominion war for sure was not as combat upgraded as the USS Lakota
but the explodium of the miranda is a meme this point and to be fair we have not even seen that many oberth's die
I suspect even with tha Lakota there was only so much Starfleet could do to upgrade and even with all the upgrades it wouldn't really be a match to a Galaxy-class or a Sovereign-class. IIRC the Lakota still had the TOS era ball turrets in her fight against the Defiant sure the actual phasers could have been up-graded but the they didn't add phaser strips to her.
As for the Oberth IIRC everytime the shows featured an Oberth in a significant role it did explode or was otherwise destroyed. I seem to remember few times a Miranda or Miranda variant did feature in an episode and made it to the end intact.
it really depends on what version of the miranda we're talking about technically speaking the miranda is better armed then the connie but both are obsolete designs it was not until the excelsior with it's modular design that the a ship was truly completely upgradable and even then unless your benefector is a corrupt admiral i don't see starfleet doing massive upgrades to the very old excelsior the ones we saw in the dominion war for sure was not as combat upgraded as the USS Lakota
but the explodium of the miranda is a meme this point and to be fair we have not even seen that many oberth's die
I suspect even with tha Lakota there was only so much Starfleet could do to upgrade and even with all the upgrades it wouldn't really be a match to a Galaxy-class or a Sovereign-class. IIRC the Lakota still had the TOS era ball turrets in her fight against the Defiant sure the actual phasers could have been up-graded but the they didn't add phaser strips to her.
As for the Oberth IIRC everytime the shows featured an Oberth in a significant role it did explode or was otherwise destroyed. I seem to remember few times a Miranda or Miranda variant did feature in an episode and made it to the end intact.
Actually, the ball turrets were movie era as far as canon goes, though technically they were the invention of Franz Joseph for his Deck Plans and Tech Manual that came out in the 1970s a few years before the TMP. Both Roddenberry and Jefferies have stated that the Enterprise from TOS used track phasers that glided along the sensor dome rings, not fixed turrets, and no turrets were ever actually shown in TOS.
One of my characters in STO has a T6 Reliant with a Miranda skin. It is my favorite ship in STO! A good balance of maneuver and tank abilities and fits my style of play perfectly.
For space Barbie I gave the crew all TWoK uniforms and 2285 era Lobi store gear.
So my Miranda definitely is not made of explodium. It can stand up to end game content and advanced TFO’s and get the crew through it all.
If a T6 Oberth comes out and I buy it, I will use the same then of 2285 uniforms and gear
Too bad no TMP movie era bridge exists in STO. That would make the experience complete for the Miranda and Oberth.
it really depends on what version of the miranda we're talking about technically speaking the miranda is better armed then the connie but both are obsolete designs it was not until the excelsior with it's modular design that the a ship was truly completely upgradable and even then unless your benefector is a corrupt admiral i don't see starfleet doing massive upgrades to the very old excelsior the ones we saw in the dominion war for sure was not as combat upgraded as the USS Lakota
but the explodium of the miranda is a meme this point and to be fair we have not even seen that many oberth's die
I suspect even with tha Lakota there was only so much Starfleet could do to upgrade and even with all the upgrades it wouldn't really be a match to a Galaxy-class or a Sovereign-class. IIRC the Lakota still had the TOS era ball turrets in her fight against the Defiant sure the actual phasers could have been up-graded but the they didn't add phaser strips to her.
As for the Oberth IIRC everytime the shows featured an Oberth in a significant role it did explode or was otherwise destroyed. I seem to remember few times a Miranda or Miranda variant did feature in an episode and made it to the end intact.
Actually, the ball turrets were movie era as far as canon goes, though technically they were the invention of Franz Joseph for his Deck Plans and Tech Manual that came out in the 1970s a few years before the TMP. Both Roddenberry and Jefferies have stated that the Enterprise from TOS used track phasers that glided along the sensor dome rings, not fixed turrets, and no turrets were ever actually shown in TOS.
I used "TOS era" as "TOS and the TOS movies" opposed to "TNG era" (aka TNG, DS9, VOY and the movies from Generations to Nemesis). Obviously since we're talking about a ship that's a variant of ship that didn't debut until Star Trek III, I wasn't referring to the TOS TV series.
It was a shorthand to say it didn't have strips like ships designed in the 24th century do.
New skin is live now - although only for the T1 ship.
Still - safe to assume that this indicates that a T6 version can't be far away.
Actually, it even became Live earlier with the first House United patch, but apparently, it wasn't worth a patch note entry.
Yeah - but that's likely because they want to draw more attention to it with a 'Ships of the Line' blog etc when they decide to release the T6 version.
The updated T1 model will probably just be included with the T6, which must be coming rather soonish since this model is already in the game. I hate the design, but I grabbed the T1 to check out the new model and the artist did a great job with it. Here's a screenshot of the USS Target Dummy:
New skin is live now - although only for the T1 ship.
Still - safe to assume that this indicates that a T6 version can't be far away.
Actually, it even became Live earlier with the first House United patch, but apparently, it wasn't worth a patch note entry.
Yeah - but that's likely because they want to draw more attention to it with a 'Ships of the Line' blog etc when they decide to release the T6 version.
The updated T1 model will probably just be included with the T6, which must be coming rather soonish since this model is already in the game. I hate the design, but I grabbed the T1 to check out the new model and the artist did a great job with it. Here's a screenshot of the USS Target Dummy:
I'm not sure it would - I mean, when it gets its T6 model it'll technically render the T1 a bit redundant, since T6 ships scale with the player.
I was referring to the T1 art (3D model), not the actual T1 ship, I just don't think a ships of the line bundle would make much sense for a pack with only one extra ship. If there was an existing T5 variant that could be bundled as well then it might make sense, but there isn't.
One of my characters in STO has a T6 Reliant with a Miranda skin. It is my favorite ship in STO! A good balance of maneuver and tank abilities and fits my style of play perfectly.
For space Barbie I gave the crew all TWoK uniforms and 2285 era Lobi store gear.
So my Miranda definitely is not made of explodium. It can stand up to end game content and advanced TFO’s and get the crew through it all.
If a T6 Oberth comes out and I buy it, I will use the same then of 2285 uniforms and gear
Too bad no TMP movie era bridge exists in STO. That would make the experience complete for the Miranda and Oberth.
So is mine, I use the Soyuz for virtual me, and my Orion uses the Miranda Beta as a pirate ship.
And mine can beating and can put out a beating.
They got vindicated, finally, for what DS9 did to them.
When I first got into STO when I first saw the Oberth I thought it looked absolutely weird but its design eventually grew on me.
I didn't like the design much in the movie when I first saw it, but over time I started to like it. It has a style that does not try to fit into the middle of the pack, unlike the ships that look like they were rejects from Star Wars that Kurtzman picked up for cheap or something.
Not going to happen unless, by some miracle, it appears in one of the new shows. And even then it isn't a given.
The Oberth, Steamrunner, Atrox, Vo'quv, and Kar'fi, weren't in the new shows, still getting/got updates.
In that case they obviously were/are confident that those ships would sell.
If I had to guess the Oberth probably got chosen over the Nova because Thomas likes the TMP ship style, because I personally think the Nova would sell much better.
When I first got into STO when I first saw the Oberth I thought it looked absolutely weird but its design eventually grew on me.
I didn't like the design much in the movie when I first saw it, but over time I started to like it. It has a style that does not try to fit into the middle of the pack, unlike the ships that look like they were rejects from Star Wars that Kurtzman picked up for cheap or something.
It needs some form of unique trait. Call it Lucky Shot? Esteban's Regret? Something about a shield boost from a flanking attack by a Raider?
Unique Trait: 'The Naked Now'
Exotic attacks deliver the virus to enemy vessels, resulting in drunken behaviour that disrupts enemy ships' internal operations.
It needs some form of unique trait. Call it Lucky Shot? Esteban's Regret? Something about a shield boost from a flanking attack by a Raider?
Unique Trait: 'The Naked Now'
Exotic attacks deliver the virus to enemy vessels, resulting in drunken behaviour that disrupts enemy ships' internal operations.
Oooo....I like it.
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According to the Eaglemoss Star ship collection - which is itself not canon, however comes with a ton of background information to the ships, it's a rather light patrol cruiser, which is also what I always saw in it. I pictured it as a kind of not only defensive but also S&R patrol craft, responding to ships that are stranded and in need of repair. I have nothing to base this on, I just thought it seemed fitting. It doesn't really communicate more "battle readiness" than any other Starfleet ship of the time to me.
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Out of these, I see only the Hirogen ship getting a T6 version since it's the only grand prize lock box ship in the list.
Analysis of the original model (documented on Ex Astris Scientia) showed it to be about 360 meters in length (about 20 meters longer than a New Orleans and about 5 meters longer than a Norway) which would be way too small for a battlecruiser. It might be a bit big for a patrol ship, something more like the Nova in size (221m) would seem more likely, but Starfleet certainly does not like to pack people into close quarters so the size is reasonable if they intended it to operate in very long deployments like real-world radar picket ships used to (which would remain out even longer than missile subs).
As for the Oberth IIRC everytime the shows featured an Oberth in a significant role it did explode or was otherwise destroyed. I seem to remember few times a Miranda or Miranda variant did feature in an episode and made it to the end intact.
Actually, the ball turrets were movie era as far as canon goes, though technically they were the invention of Franz Joseph for his Deck Plans and Tech Manual that came out in the 1970s a few years before the TMP. Both Roddenberry and Jefferies have stated that the Enterprise from TOS used track phasers that glided along the sensor dome rings, not fixed turrets, and no turrets were ever actually shown in TOS.
Would love a TMP bridge
I used "TOS era" as "TOS and the TOS movies" opposed to "TNG era" (aka TNG, DS9, VOY and the movies from Generations to Nemesis). Obviously since we're talking about a ship that's a variant of ship that didn't debut until Star Trek III, I wasn't referring to the TOS TV series.
It was a shorthand to say it didn't have strips like ships designed in the 24th century do.
The updated T1 model will probably just be included with the T6, which must be coming rather soonish since this model is already in the game. I hate the design, but I grabbed the T1 to check out the new model and the artist did a great job with it. Here's a screenshot of the USS Target Dummy:
I was referring to the T1 art (3D model), not the actual T1 ship, I just don't think a ships of the line bundle would make much sense for a pack with only one extra ship. If there was an existing T5 variant that could be bundled as well then it might make sense, but there isn't.
So is mine, I use the Soyuz for virtual me, and my Orion uses the Miranda Beta as a pirate ship.
And mine can beating and can put out a beating.
They got vindicated, finally, for what DS9 did to them.
I didn't like the design much in the movie when I first saw it, but over time I started to like it. It has a style that does not try to fit into the middle of the pack, unlike the ships that look like they were rejects from Star Wars that Kurtzman picked up for cheap or something.
Add Nova to that list and I'm right there with you
Believe me, I've been playing this game more than long enough to know that.
If I had to guess the Oberth probably got chosen over the Nova because Thomas likes the TMP ship style, because I personally think the Nova would sell much better.
yepper. I always liked it.
Unique Trait: 'The Naked Now'
Exotic attacks deliver the virus to enemy vessels, resulting in drunken behaviour that disrupts enemy ships' internal operations.
Oooo....I like it.