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aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
How about a way to use lobi to unlock for account like zen can. What if there was a second selling of all items at a higher markup for account unlock. Going by the upcoming campaign what about 1500 lobi per 900 lobi ship to unlock it. And any ship/item you have on any character can unlock for the difference.

This is 66.66666% markup.

1800 = 3000
1500 = 2500
1200 = 2000
900 = 1500
300 = 500
200 = 333
150 = 250
50 = 83
30 = 50
20 = 33
5 = 8
2 = 3
1 = 2

Some items could be per character only if needed for balance. Or everything could be account unlockable.

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    aftulus wrote: »
    How about a way to use lobi to unlock for account like zen can. What if there was a second selling of all items at a higher markup for account unlock. Going by the upcoming campaign what about 1500 lobi per 900 lobi ship to unlock it. And any ship/item you have on any character can unlock for the difference.

    This is 66.66666% markup.

    1800 = 3000
    1500 = 2500
    1200 = 2000
    900 = 1500
    300 = 500
    200 = 333
    150 = 250
    50 = 83
    30 = 50
    20 = 33
    5 = 8
    2 = 3
    1 = 2

    Some items could be per character only if needed for balance. Or everything could be account unlockable.

    Cryptic looked into things like this already, their final decision was a firm "No."
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    So, yes, that was their response to the repeated requests, but ultimately they changed their minds.

    What they've done with Mudd's is completely different from what people usually mean when they ask for the option to buy an account unlock, usually it's something along the lines of what SWTOR does and Cryptic's response to that request is still "No."
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    Far as I know... account unlocks for lockbox and Lobi are still being looked into in some capacity. I haven't heard anything about them totally shooting the idea down in any of the livestreams.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Far as I know... account unlocks for lockbox and Lobi are still being looked into in some capacity. I haven't heard anything about them totally shooting the idea down in any of the livestreams.

    I forget exactly when, but in one of the streams this past fall Kael said that the last time he asked for an update on it he was given a very firm "No.", firm enough that he sounded reluctant to even ask about it again.
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  • reimu#1706 reimu Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    they really should be account wide there no reason for them not to be other then cryptic's boundless greed that puts even the ferengi to shame
  • aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    aftulus wrote: »
    How about a way to use lobi to unlock for account like zen can. What if there was a second selling of all items at a higher markup for account unlock. Going by the upcoming campaign what about 1500 lobi per 900 lobi ship to unlock it. And any ship/item you have on any character can unlock for the difference.

    This is 66.66666% markup.

    1800 = 3000
    1500 = 2500
    1200 = 2000
    900 = 1500
    300 = 500
    200 = 333
    150 = 250
    50 = 83
    30 = 50
    20 = 33
    5 = 8
    2 = 3
    1 = 2

    Some items could be per character only if needed for balance. Or everything could be account unlockable.

    Cryptic looked into things like this already, their final decision was a firm "No."

    Uhm. Not exactly. Mudd's various bundles offer a selection of lobi, promo, and lockbox ships as account-wide unlocks. So, yes, that was their response to the repeated requests, but ultimately they changed their minds. But then again, the ships they've so far added as Mudd bundles have not been the most in-demand of those kinds of ships, and I wouldn't expect them to be either. If the ship is still popular, why would they undermine that with account-unlock versions?

    It should also be noted that Mudd bundles price each ship at ~10k zen each ($100). Far short of the 24k zen it costs, on average, for gamble-box ships. So not only are they account unlocked, they're also dramatically cheaper, and that's not taking into account the big discounts that happen to Mudd bundles.

    Technically, that makes it near the same price. Those prices are in lobi not zen. So, the un,locks should make them money at those costs. In fact it's more expensive by a long shot per ship.

    Cost:

    Lobi base = lobi unlock = lobi*4(125/112.5zen) = lobi*10(125/112.5zen)

    1800 = 3000 = 750keys(93,750/84,375zen) = 300keys(37,500/33,750zen)
    1500 = 2500 = 625keys(78,125/70,312.5zen) = 250keys(31,250/28,125zen)
    1200 = 2000 = 500keys(62,500/56,250zen) = 200keys(25,000/22,500zen)
    900 = 1500 = 375keys(46,875/42,187.5zen) = 150keys(18,750/16,875zen)
    300 = 500 = 125keys(15,625/14,062.5zen) = 50keys(6250/5,625zen)
    200 = 333 = 84keys(10,500/9,450zen) = 34keys(4,250/3,825zen)
    150 = 250 = 63keys(7,875/7,087.5zen) = 25keys(3,125/2,812.5zen)
    50 = 83 = 21keys(2,625/2,362.5zen) = 9keys(1,125/1,012.5zen)
    30 = 50 = 13keys(1,625/1,462.5zen) = 5keys(625/562.5zen)
    20 = 33 = 9keys(1,125/1,012.5zen) = 4keys(500/450zen)
    5 = 8 = 2keys(250/225zen) = 1keys(125/112.5zen)
    2 = 3 = 1key(125/112.5zen) = 0.3keys(37.5/33.75zen)
    1 = 2 = 0.5keys(62.5/56.25zen) = 0.2keys(25/22.50zen)

    Divide zen values by 100 to get us dollars. So a 900 lobi ship would then cost 1500 lobi for account unlock and costs 460 to 160 dollars at minimum. that is the price of the largest bundles. A lobi bundle at 750 keys would cost a max of almost 1000 dollars. It's about as lobi and ferengi as it could get. That is why I assumed the idea might work. It's very expensive. It's basically the same as mudds market. But you are waiting for 10x lobi boxes. and it costs more per item given the current market. It would cost 1.5billion to buy keys for a lobi ship unlock of 150 keys at the cheapest. And 3.75 billion ec at the most. That is pretty much at the top of the games cost.

    The only downside I can see is it might sink the key market and lower key prices for those trying to buy T6 ships for ec. Assuming key's don't keep up with demand. It could be nice to see 1 million dollar keys again though. Maybe it would balance out the market. Actually it would do the opposite and raise key prices potentially. So, it would be cheaper to buy t6's from zen making it more profitable for cryptic.

    Any lobi ship unlock at it's cheapest would be the max price of the market. That increases the value of selling keys to get both lobi ships and t6 ship boxes.

    This is the price of a 900 lobi ship at 10xlobi per key at 125/112.5zen per key. It's the same as mudd's market. At it's cheapest.

    150keys(18,750/16,875zen)

    So, it looks like mudd's market was designed off this exact pricing assuming 10xlobi. So, it would not undermine mudd's market. It would emphasize it's value. It would be more expensive to unlock lobi without mudd's sales as mudd's sales are even cheaper zen wise. But they can be bought for ec with enough currency like a T6 ship without waiting for a mudd sale. But only during zen box 10xlobi events or when 10x lobi is available.

    And consumables from the lobi store could unlock into an ec buyable form in your replicator. But they could be expensive ec wise to reflect their nature.
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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,715 Community Moderator
    For now guys until we hear more from cryptic on this sort of thing I'm closing this one for being on the FCT list. Asking if there has been further discussion around this issue is cool, but this is too close to other threads that got this on the FCT list to start with. Should they tell us anything new I'm sure we'll see a ton of stuff popping up on it.
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