I will never understand the whole art deco vs googie or whatever argument over ship design being a factor in anything. As Kirk said, a ship is a ship. And personal preference on how it looks really shouldn't come down to if its art deco or googie or whatever.
> @rattler2 said: > I will never understand the whole art deco vs googie or whatever argument over ship design being a factor in anything. As Kirk said, a ship is a ship. And personal preference on how it looks really shouldn't come down to if its art deco or googie or whatever.
It sounds more meaningful 😁
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I will never understand the whole art deco vs googie or whatever argument over ship design being a factor in anything. As Kirk said, a ship is a ship. And personal preference on how it looks really shouldn't come down to if its art deco or googie or whatever.
That is not surprising, everyone has their own way of seeing/hearing/sensing things depending on background and natural abilities.
To me the difference in design language between TOS and most of the rest of Trek is glaringly obvious, but a lot of people cannot see the shape relationships that make TOS googie (a naturalistic spiral based style) and the other Treks mostly art deco (a regular geometry, most often in symmetric mechanistic patterns, based style) no matter how much they look at it.
As for the names of the styles, I know the terminology both because I have a friend who is an architecture nerd who talks about it and also it was useful when making things in Second Life (and before that in some art forums) since it helped in discussing designs.
On the other hand, I can tell when a guitar or piano string is out of tune in relation to the other strings, and sometimes even whether it is too high or too low, but I cannot use a tuning fork or whatever to tune it since I cannot hear the resonance point where the fork and the string snap into tune with each other.
I also have a trouble with timing anything I cannot visualize. A friend and I were setting up to jointly run a tabletop RP game campaign in a system called Living Steel where one of the main factors was a highly damaged planetary teleport system that would only work when the still functional satellites were in the right positions to each other.
The problem for me was that while apparently the "satellite positions" made sense in an abstract mathematical way that satisfied the needs of the story I could not see it at all in the language of math (I had to use charts my friend made from the descriptions of the mechanics) because the orbits made no sense whatsoever in a real world orbital mechanics way so I could not visualize them.
Anyway, for me (and others who can see it), since so much Hollywood sci-fi is just variants of art deco there is the boredom factor of it all being the same old hat trotted out again and again, just arranged slightly differently.
Obviously based on one of Jim Martin's designs for Voyager. And since some of his other un-used designs have also ended up in Star Trek Online, I have hopes that this is real and will make it into the game. I do like the design. Maybe we will find out more about it tomorrow.
I like it. I'd probably use the original skin, simply because the Oberth is one of my favorite all time ST ships bar-none, but I think this reimagining is pretty tasteful, as far as these things go.
Here's hoping for a 4-3 weapons arrangement... although I just assume it's going to be a sad-sack 3-3.
I like it. I'd probably use the original skin, simply because the Oberth is one of my favorite all time ST ships bar-none, but I think this reimagining is pretty tasteful, as far as these things go.
Here's hoping for a 4-3 weapons arrangement... although I just assume it's going to be a sad-sack 3-3.
When is the new ship announcement due?
Why would it get a 4-3 weapons layout? The only sci ships with 4-3 are dreadnoughts, as far as I am aware.
That just means it's not next, Cryptic seems to be trying to tease future ships much further in advance nowadays. The picture they tweeted for the Oberth doesn't really look like a finished render, more like either a WIP or just a screenshot of the model from 3DS Max.
Hard pass. There are so many ships that they could have either added a T6 version of or added to the game as a first run but instead they add in the flying surfboard.
unless the hull is made from 100 % explodium it would not be screen accurate just like if your flying a miranda you should blow up the moment a enemy open fire on you
unless the hull is made from 100 % explodium it would not be screen accurate just like if your flying a miranda you should blow up the moment a enemy open fire on you
Oberths weren't meant for exploring the frontier where they might have to defend themselves, they were follow-up science ships designed for use in safe areas and had civilian grade shields and hulls.
unless the hull is made from 100 % explodium it would not be screen accurate just like if your flying a miranda you should blow up the moment a enemy open fire on you
Kahn did pretty well....the Reliant took a BEATING.
Well... Khan also got the drop on Kirk, who had a crew of cadets. But yea... Reliant took a beating. Kahn got beat because he forgot about the Third Dimension. He was flying like a blue water navy ship, not a starship that can go up and down.
Yeah the Mirandas didn't start becoming one HP wonders until the Dominion War and by that time the design was nearly 100 years old.
True, and the fact that they were light cruisers getting pounded by heavy and battle cruiser probably didn't help their survivability either.
True though IIRC Miranda was meant to be a heavy or medium cruiser for the late 23rd century era and it just got downgraded when better ships came along (IIRC it was suppose to more or less a match to the Connie but with a different specialization).
it really depends on what version of the miranda we're talking about technically speaking the miranda is better armed then the connie but both are obsolete designs it was not until the excelsior with it's modular design that the a ship was truly completely upgradable and even then unless your benefector is a corrupt admiral i don't see starfleet doing massive upgrades to the very old excelsior the ones we saw in the dominion war for sure was not as combat upgraded as the USS Lakota
but the explodium of the miranda is a meme this point and to be fair we have not even seen that many oberth's die
One of my characters in STO has a T6 Reliant with a Miranda skin. It is my favorite ship in STO! A good balance of maneuver and tank abilities and fits my style of play perfectly.
For space Barbie I gave the crew all TWoK uniforms and 2285 era Lobi store gear.
So my Miranda definitely is not made of explodium. It can stand up to end game content and advanced TFO’s and get the crew through it all.
If a T6 Oberth comes out and I buy it, I will use the same then of 2285 uniforms and gear
Too bad no TMP movie era bridge exists in STO. That would make the experience complete for the Miranda and Oberth.
One of my characters in STO has a T6 Reliant with a Miranda skin. It is my favorite ship in STO! A good balance of maneuver and tank abilities and fits my style of play perfectly.
For space Barbie I gave the crew all TWoK uniforms and 2285 era Lobi store gear.
So my Miranda definitely is not made of explodium. It can stand up to end game content and advanced TFO’s and get the crew through it all.
If a T6 Oberth comes out and I buy it, I will use the same then of 2285 uniforms and gear
Too bad no TMP movie era bridge exists in STO. That would make the experience complete for the Miranda and Oberth.
Personally I would be more interested in a TOS bridge that could be substituted for that nasty generic concrete thing they keep putting in all the ships now, but anything would be better than the "standard" bridge or whatever they call it.
Personally I would be more interested in a TOS bridge that could be substituted for that nasty generic concrete thing they keep putting in all the ships now, but anything would be better than the "standard" bridge or whatever they call it.
While it's not usable on every ship, there is a TOS bridge and interior available. It should be usable for every normal Starfleet ship. (AKA not usable for alien ships but usable on ships from the Miranda on up through the Titan and so on.) I do agree it would be nice to have access to other bridges to replace the "Starship" bridge that many cross-faction ships come with. Even if it only meant allowing access to bridges that already exist. (I know there were apparently some faction related issues before with bridges, but some of those may have been fixed now since Cross Faction Flying was introduced.)
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It is definitely a step up from the dull art deco style of the movie one.
> I will never understand the whole art deco vs googie or whatever argument over ship design being a factor in anything. As Kirk said, a ship is a ship. And personal preference on how it looks really shouldn't come down to if its art deco or googie or whatever.
It sounds more meaningful 😁
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That is not surprising, everyone has their own way of seeing/hearing/sensing things depending on background and natural abilities.
To me the difference in design language between TOS and most of the rest of Trek is glaringly obvious, but a lot of people cannot see the shape relationships that make TOS googie (a naturalistic spiral based style) and the other Treks mostly art deco (a regular geometry, most often in symmetric mechanistic patterns, based style) no matter how much they look at it.
As for the names of the styles, I know the terminology both because I have a friend who is an architecture nerd who talks about it and also it was useful when making things in Second Life (and before that in some art forums) since it helped in discussing designs.
On the other hand, I can tell when a guitar or piano string is out of tune in relation to the other strings, and sometimes even whether it is too high or too low, but I cannot use a tuning fork or whatever to tune it since I cannot hear the resonance point where the fork and the string snap into tune with each other.
I also have a trouble with timing anything I cannot visualize. A friend and I were setting up to jointly run a tabletop RP game campaign in a system called Living Steel where one of the main factors was a highly damaged planetary teleport system that would only work when the still functional satellites were in the right positions to each other.
The problem for me was that while apparently the "satellite positions" made sense in an abstract mathematical way that satisfied the needs of the story I could not see it at all in the language of math (I had to use charts my friend made from the descriptions of the mechanics) because the orbits made no sense whatsoever in a real world orbital mechanics way so I could not visualize them.
Anyway, for me (and others who can see it), since so much Hollywood sci-fi is just variants of art deco there is the boredom factor of it all being the same old hat trotted out again and again, just arranged slightly differently.
We don't know for sure if the new ship will be this one. We'll find out soon enough though.
Here's hoping for a 4-3 weapons arrangement... although I just assume it's going to be a sad-sack 3-3.
When is the new ship announcement due?
Why would it get a 4-3 weapons layout? The only sci ships with 4-3 are dreadnoughts, as far as I am aware.
That just means it's not next, Cryptic seems to be trying to tease future ships much further in advance nowadays. The picture they tweeted for the Oberth doesn't really look like a finished render, more like either a WIP or just a screenshot of the model from 3DS Max.
Yeah that ship was so forgettable in the show that I didn't even think to put it on my list of expected ships from Disco Season 3.
Oberths weren't meant for exploring the frontier where they might have to defend themselves, they were follow-up science ships designed for use in safe areas and had civilian grade shields and hulls.
Kahn did pretty well....the Reliant took a BEATING.
True, and the fact that they were light cruisers getting pounded by heavy and battle cruiser probably didn't help their survivability either.
True though IIRC Miranda was meant to be a heavy or medium cruiser for the late 23rd century era and it just got downgraded when better ships came along (IIRC it was suppose to more or less a match to the Connie but with a different specialization).
but the explodium of the miranda is a meme this point and to be fair we have not even seen that many oberth's die
For space Barbie I gave the crew all TWoK uniforms and 2285 era Lobi store gear.
So my Miranda definitely is not made of explodium. It can stand up to end game content and advanced TFO’s and get the crew through it all.
If a T6 Oberth comes out and I buy it, I will use the same then of 2285 uniforms and gear
Too bad no TMP movie era bridge exists in STO. That would make the experience complete for the Miranda and Oberth.
Personally I would be more interested in a TOS bridge that could be substituted for that nasty generic concrete thing they keep putting in all the ships now, but anything would be better than the "standard" bridge or whatever they call it.
While it's not usable on every ship, there is a TOS bridge and interior available. It should be usable for every normal Starfleet ship. (AKA not usable for alien ships but usable on ships from the Miranda on up through the Titan and so on.) I do agree it would be nice to have access to other bridges to replace the "Starship" bridge that many cross-faction ships come with. Even if it only meant allowing access to bridges that already exist. (I know there were apparently some faction related issues before with bridges, but some of those may have been fixed now since Cross Faction Flying was introduced.)
One's a Tactical ship, and the other's a science vessel. What T1 ship would fill in the Engineering ship slot if this was made into a bundle?