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Expanding the Delta Quadrant

While Voyager seems to be a less beloved series, I absolutely love it for its general premise with pure exploration in a completely unknown place (though of course the writing did not seize its full potential). But I think one of the great things about these non-canon works like STO is the opportunity to build more onto those aspects of the televised series that the writers neglected.

Obviously most of the new species and cosmopolitics of the Delta Quadrant could only be touched on briefly in the TV show, as Voyager was just passing through (as well as practical limitations), and of course STO has already done a good job at giving more depth to some of these, like the Voth, Vaadwaaur (?), Krenim, etc., who only appeared for one or two episodes of the series. But I feel like the well of potential storylines that Voyager's journey created is so much deeper.

For example, the other day I was re-watching 'Night', where Voyager is trying to cross 'the Void', when they come across some aliens that are being poisoned by the Malon and are all suffering from chronic disease from the theta radiation. Although the Malon make brief appearances in game, it made me think about how many storylines could be created just about them and the other civilizations they've affected. There are lots of these minor storylines from the series that suggest very complex and interesting economics and politics happening behind the curtain.

Then of course there are these big storylines, like....the Vidiians!!!! One of the best alien antagonists created for all of Star Trek, I think. It would have been so interesting to see what became of them
after they were cured of the Phage
. Or the Kazon, while they have a relatively large role in the game, as they did in the early seasons of the show, there is some more potential for additional interesting storylines regarding e.g. the Kazon and the Trabe, which was only touched on in the show.

So I'm wondering if there is interest in this game's community for seeing an expansion to the Delta Quadrant content. I was of course so excited when this expansion came out, being a big fan of Voyager, but I was a bit disappointed when I saw the size of the map, being six sectors and a handful of systems. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the story arcs they made for that expansion, I just had a different idea of what the scope would be; from the sense of enormous scale I got from the TV series, I assumed the size would be at least like the other quadrants. For example, Borg space is supposed to be so vast, but the original Borg space we got in the upper right corner of the Beta Quadrant is more akin to what I would have pictured for including as part of the Delta Quadrant. Then all these other large tracts of space, like the Void, etc. So much more potential for great storylines.

Is there anyone else who feels like the developers should return to the Delta Quadrant to give it some more love?

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  • danquellerdanqueller Member Posts: 496 Arc User
    I've long thought the Delta Quadrant had alot of potential that was not explored, possibly because the devs wanted to save something to work on later. Considering there are only two visitable locations in the quadrant and that the quadrant itself is quite small compared to other areas of the game, and the massive potential of the Jenolan Sphere, there are certainly possibilities for many interesting stories here.

    My own characters' RP revolved around a covert mission by Omega Force to keep the Borg occupied by traveling out past their area in the Delta Quadrant and trying to warn the races there of the coming disaster of that race. To my mind, the Delta Quadrant we see is simply the area the Borg haven't assimilated yet, and that the actual Collective is far, far more dangerous than the small part it sent under the Borg Queen to distract the races of the Alliance while it dealt with more important matters. The Delta Quadrant has long faced the true threat of the Borg, and there are stories to be told of the other parts of it that no one knows are being assimilated, because almost no one survives to tell of their plight. That's just an example of how many possible stories could be told there.

    Still, the developers can only do so much at once, and it takes years to get a story arc in the game. Maybe we'll see something expanding the Delta Quadrant map. Maybe we'll wish we had stayed home...for there are areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine....and terrors to freeze your soul. :)
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,113 Arc User
    I like this idea in general.

    Let's take the fight to the borg in the Delta quadrant. Maybe the borg are assimilating the remains of the Vaaduar (sp) giving them a significant boost in power. Learning the secrets of underspace allowing the borg to overcome the loss of the transwarp network that was erased from time in the Iconian arc.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,598 Arc User
    I still want the Devore and their sexy snakeskin ships. It was a missed opportunity with the Undine arc to not have THE anti-telepath species involved.

    We also still have the aftermath of the Talaxians, Vaadwaur, Voth/Turians, and Borg Cooperative to followup on. It might be interesting to see how the Kobali and Vidiians would interact as well(granted, they're probably as distant as the Romulans and Cardassians from each other). Conversely, there's also the Hirogen 'homeworlds' and the Fen'Domar further 'south'(which were apparently enough of a thorn in Voyager's side to break Janeway's favorite coffee cup before the temporal shenanigans).

    That said, why would they focus on a series 2 decades old when they could instead focus on all the series(DIS, PIC, LD, SNW, S31) currently in (pre)production that people are paying the most attention to and are more likely to draw in new customers?
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,113 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    I like this idea in general.

    Let's take the fight to the borg in the Delta quadrant. Maybe the borg are assimilating the remains of the Vaaduar (sp) giving them a significant boost in power. Learning the secrets of underspace allowing the borg to overcome the loss of the transwarp network that was erased from time in the Iconian arc.
    The Borg Transwarp network wasn't erased in the Iconian arc.The specific transwarp gate above the assimilated Romulus was, which erased the reason for its existing, that being the borg assimilating Romulus, but it didn't erase all of the Borg's transwarp network.

    The mission dialog says "If we target the borg transwarp network, we could prevent the borg from making it to Romulan space." Or something to that effect. It definitely refers to targeting the network, not a single gate.

    Logically, erasing one gate would not have worked, not even erasing all the gates in Romulan space would have worked. In order for the gate to have been built, the borg would have had to have already made it to Romulus. Thus erasing the gate would not have prevented the borg from reaching Romulus because they were already there. The same can be said for all the transwarp gates in Romulan space. That is why they had to erase the entire transwarp network to get the job done.

    And that is why I think it would be interesting to see what the consequences of that decision are. After all, as Clauda said "The Borg have an immense influence on the timeline".
  • warmonger360warmonger360 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    too much pewpew/combat and not enuff exploring for it's sake. STO needs to get in more of this. it was what TOS was all about, after all
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,750 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    garaffe wrote: »
    I like this idea in general.

    Let's take the fight to the borg in the Delta quadrant. Maybe the borg are assimilating the remains of the Vaaduar (sp) giving them a significant boost in power. Learning the secrets of underspace allowing the borg to overcome the loss of the transwarp network that was erased from time in the Iconian arc.
    The Borg Transwarp network wasn't erased in the Iconian arc.The specific transwarp gate above the assimilated Romulus was, which erased the reason for its existing, that being the borg assimilating Romulus, but it didn't erase all of the Borg's transwarp network.

    The mission dialog says "If we target the borg transwarp network, we could prevent the borg from making it to Romulan space." Or something to that effect. It definitely refers to targeting the network, not a single gate.

    Logically, erasing one gate would not have worked, not even erasing all the gates in Romulan space would have worked. In order for the gate to have been built, the borg would have had to have already made it to Romulus. Thus erasing the gate would not have prevented the borg from reaching Romulus because they were already there. The same can be said for all the transwarp gates in Romulan space. That is why they had to erase the entire transwarp network to get the job done.

    And that is why I think it would be interesting to see what the consequences of that decision are. After all, as Clauda said "The Borg have an immense influence on the timeline".

    Was that dialog part of what they actually did after discovering the Borg assimilated Romulus or one of the possible fixes for the problem that was not implemented? Even if they did implement it they probably only did the minimal intervention possible, one designed to only eliminate that particular terminus and perhaps the subnode it was connected to. Eliminating the entire network would have been a paradox disaster since a lot of things (like Voyager making it home) would never have happened.
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,113 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    garaffe wrote: »
    I like this idea in general.

    Let's take the fight to the borg in the Delta quadrant. Maybe the borg are assimilating the remains of the Vaaduar (sp) giving them a significant boost in power. Learning the secrets of underspace allowing the borg to overcome the loss of the transwarp network that was erased from time in the Iconian arc.
    The Borg Transwarp network wasn't erased in the Iconian arc.The specific transwarp gate above the assimilated Romulus was, which erased the reason for its existing, that being the borg assimilating Romulus, but it didn't erase all of the Borg's transwarp network.

    The mission dialog says "If we target the borg transwarp network, we could prevent the borg from making it to Romulan space." Or something to that effect. It definitely refers to targeting the network, not a single gate.

    Logically, erasing one gate would not have worked, not even erasing all the gates in Romulan space would have worked. In order for the gate to have been built, the borg would have had to have already made it to Romulus. Thus erasing the gate would not have prevented the borg from reaching Romulus because they were already there. The same can be said for all the transwarp gates in Romulan space. That is why they had to erase the entire transwarp network to get the job done.

    And that is why I think it would be interesting to see what the consequences of that decision are. After all, as Clauda said "The Borg have an immense influence on the timeline".

    Was that dialog part of what they actually did after discovering the Borg assimilated Romulus or one of the possible fixes for the problem that was not implemented? Even if they did implement it they probably only did the minimal intervention possible, one designed to only eliminate that particular terminus and perhaps the subnode it was connected to. Eliminating the entire network would have been a paradox disaster since a lot of things (like Voyager making it home) would never have happened.

    It was said after the weapon was used and Romulus was discovered to have been assimilated.

    Well, frankly, nothing about that mission makes any sense. Like, why would preventing the borg from reaching Romulus result in Romulus being destroyed by Hobus, like before? What is the connection between the borg reaching Romulus and the Iconians destroyed Romulus?

    *Off topic* After playing though most of the old missions on a new character, there are A LOT of plot holes in the STO story.
  • dewolf13dewolf13 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    The economics of focusing on an old series vs the current and upcoming ones (with respect to bringing in new customers) is a good point. I guess the only way they could swing that would be to somehow not make it about ST:Voyager, just about the goings-on of the quadrant. Admittedly it might be difficult to tie stories from ST:Picard and others in with Delta Quadrant stories, though not impossible.

    But even if it is unlikely to happen, I will continue to dream about more Delta Quadrant content. As much as I'm enjoying the new series, there's just that overarching sense of the new and intriguing about the mysterious Delta Quadrant that I don't feel with other ST series (even DS9 and the Gamma Quadrant, since most of their time was spent on the Alpha side of the wormhole). Plus, with all the regions of space and all the different species Voyager came across, I feel like the well for new content is just so much deeper in the Delta Quadrant, even if the new stories in ST:Picard are very interesting.

    But Star Trek is always great for storytelling, so I won't find fault with whatever story content they release in the future.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,612 Arc User
    It would be nice to see expansion, but the only "content" the devs are interested in making are ships and repeat events
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,472 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    garaffe wrote: »
    I like this idea in general.

    Let's take the fight to the borg in the Delta quadrant. Maybe the borg are assimilating the remains of the Vaaduar (sp) giving them a significant boost in power. Learning the secrets of underspace allowing the borg to overcome the loss of the transwarp network that was erased from time in the Iconian arc.
    The Borg Transwarp network wasn't erased in the Iconian arc.The specific transwarp gate above the assimilated Romulus was, which erased the reason for its existing, that being the borg assimilating Romulus, but it didn't erase all of the Borg's transwarp network.

    The mission dialog says "If we target the borg transwarp network, we could prevent the borg from making it to Romulan space." Or something to that effect. It definitely refers to targeting the network, not a single gate.

    Logically, erasing one gate would not have worked, not even erasing all the gates in Romulan space would have worked. In order for the gate to have been built, the borg would have had to have already made it to Romulus. Thus erasing the gate would not have prevented the borg from reaching Romulus because they were already there. The same can be said for all the transwarp gates in Romulan space. That is why they had to erase the entire transwarp network to get the job done.

    And that is why I think it would be interesting to see what the consequences of that decision are. After all, as Clauda said "The Borg have an immense influence on the timeline".

    If you erased the Borg network, Voyager wouldn't have made it back when it did. They erased ONLY that gate and the Borg that had made it that far. We know this, because nothing else really changed, and we know Voyager didn't spend those extra 23 years getting back to Earth. According to your theory, that would have erased the entire Borg Collective. The Time-weapon could be specifically targetted to erase ONLY what it was targetting, or an entire species. It is obvious in the episode, they meant the gate itself.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 54,631 Community Moderator
    too much pewpew/combat and not enuff exploring for it's sake. STO needs to get in more of this. it was what TOS was all about, after all

    Devil's Advocate: Star Trek Online is not TOS. It has elements of ALL Trek. And not all Trek was about alien of the week exploration. See: Dominion War (DS9) and Fed-Klingon War (DSC s1).
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,750 Arc User
    edited April 3
    rattler2 wrote: »
    too much pewpew/combat and not enuff exploring for it's sake. STO needs to get in more of this. it was what TOS was all about, after all

    Devil's Advocate: Star Trek Online is not TOS. It has elements of ALL Trek. And not all Trek was about alien of the week exploration. See: Dominion War (DS9) and Fed-Klingon War (DSC s1).

    There were also a number of Federation-Klingon cold war episodes in TOS along with several diplomacy episodes, and if fourth season was not cancelled about half or more of the episodes would have been a deep dive into the cold war. They had William Campbell (Koloth) and Michael Pataki (Korax) contracted for a minimum of thirteen episodes before the series was cancelled for instance.

    And yes, STO is mainly TNG and thereabouts, TOS actually gets rather short shrift, the only full series with less attention from STO is ENT.
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