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Since we already have a DSC and a TOS mini-faction, the next (and most likely last) era before 2409+ is the TNG era, starting in the mid 2360's (Season 1) and ending in the early 2380's (Nemesis). This would also be an excellent opportunity to create a small story arc around Donatra and her assimilation into the Borg Collective and more details about the Hobus supernova and Wolf 359, making the Romulus and Wolf 359 systems more than just a memorial place to fly in and out, allowing new and existing voice talents to (re-)appear in the game, such as LeVar Burton, Michael Dorn, etc. but also new ones, for example Gates McFadden, Marina Sirtis or Brent Spiner (Data cut-scene in the prison facility, hint hint). Perhaps even Jonathan Frakes or Patrick Stewart could make it, even though they will probably be too expensive.
Obviously, with a new mini-faction, there would have to be a new reputation (TNG Legends) with new powers based on the legends of TNG such as Picard, Riker, Data etc. A new fleet holding (Memory Alpha maybe?) that focuses on craftable gear, a new specialization perhaps as well. And a sorely needed visual update for the TNG S3-S7 TV show uniforms would also have to happen.
Content-wise, I think there would have to be at least five TNG-themed episodes before merging with the present. DS9 and VOY would technically also fall into that era, but DS9 and VOY have already been themed in the Delta and Gamma story arcs. There has been one TNG-themed episode so far (Trilithium set episode).
Two new TFO's would also have to be invented, one space and one ground. The space TFO would pretty obviously be the "Battle of Wolf 359" with a really over-powered Borg Cube, finishing with a cutscene where the cube flees to Earth (where it is ultimately destroyed by the legendary Galaxy-class we all know and love). The ground TFO could be something entirely different, for example against the Son'a or Remans and Romulans, or - which would be totally fine - against the Borg in the same setting.
An alternative would be to see a huge Dominion battle in the space TFO around Cardassia Prime, which is slightly post-TNG, but has never actually been done in STO either. A similar idea could be done for the ground TFO on the surface of Cardassia Prime against Jem'Hadar and Breen forces.
Do you have more ideas for this expansion, and would you also like to see a TNG-themed mini-faction in STO?
Obviously, with a new mini-faction, there would have to be a new reputation (TNG Legends) with new powers based on the legends of TNG such as Picard, Riker, Data etc. A new fleet holding (Memory Alpha maybe?) that focuses on craftable gear, a new specialization perhaps as well. And a sorely needed visual update for the TNG S3-S7 TV show uniforms would also have to happen.
Content-wise, I think there would have to be at least five TNG-themed episodes before merging with the present. DS9 and VOY would technically also fall into that era, but DS9 and VOY have already been themed in the Delta and Gamma story arcs. There has been one TNG-themed episode so far (Trilithium set episode).
Two new TFO's would also have to be invented, one space and one ground. The space TFO would pretty obviously be the "Battle of Wolf 359" with a really over-powered Borg Cube, finishing with a cutscene where the cube flees to Earth (where it is ultimately destroyed by the legendary Galaxy-class we all know and love). The ground TFO could be something entirely different, for example against the Son'a or Remans and Romulans, or - which would be totally fine - against the Borg in the same setting.
An alternative would be to see a huge Dominion battle in the space TFO around Cardassia Prime, which is slightly post-TNG, but has never actually been done in STO either. A similar idea could be done for the ground TFO on the surface of Cardassia Prime against Jem'Hadar and Breen forces.
Do you have more ideas for this expansion, and would you also like to see a TNG-themed mini-faction in STO?
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Original Join Date: January 30th, 2010
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Frankly, I am tired of STO focusing on the past. I would prefer to see some more new, original content.
Original Join Date: January 30th, 2010
and Coppelius Androids/Synths since they're a Federation protectorate like the Cardassians.
Not only that. If not playing that faction it can be a complete mess. One day I was celebrating the Hurq (?) victory and the next day Quinn jabbers about some older-than-kirk Klingon woman as if it should mean something to me and I get dragged into some historic first KDF war dramas for no reason at all but then *poof* there she is in our time a few missions later because... reasons.
From the metagame standpoint I am aware that the explanation is with the DSC origin (at least I guess, never played it) and probably some storyblock somewhere but the whole experience in the game itself from a non DSC character POV feels like a incoherent mess.
I prefer to not repeat that
Besides... TNG is not really that far away. A typical TNG ship would still be very timeline appropriate IMO.
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+1 for Nemesis Uniforms
I agree with all of this.
I think a more appropriate way to include more TNG content would be to write some follow-up episodes where some storyline from TNG era gets thrust into the present (kinda like the Vaudwar, however you spell it) creating something for the Alliance to investigate. This does not have to mean creating a new mega enemy that is threatening the entire galaxy! Frankly I am tired of saving the galaxy/universe/timeline.
+1 for Nemesis Uniforms
+2 for Reman Resistance Uniforms
Agreed. We know Geordi & Worf, and most of Voyager and DS9 are still alive and in active service. There's no need for another mini-faction, especially a FED one!
But I agree we're still pretty much in the TNG era, same technology...still many officers still serving in Starfleet. Only thing really different would be the transporter effects, but the TNG Fed transporter effects would be basically just blue Romulan effects.
If there was ever to be another Fed one I'd prefer Enterprise era, unique transporter effect and who knows, maybe we'd get a chance at a NX bridge?
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CBS is quite adamant that current EU material should be as much in harmony with canon material as possible, so this leaves Cryptic with few options. Nemesis is set in 2379 and before that TNG, VOY and DS9 cover that era quite well. Also the Destruction of Romulus doesn't happen until 2385 (or around that time) so it would be outside of your set time frame anyway.
In essence there really isn't that much room to tell stories in the time frame you set. Sure the 2290-2364 time frame is less known but that by that much.
Remember that 2364-2399 time frame has 5 series (most likely 6 once prodigy airs) set in it 3 of which lasted 7 seasons each, there's little room for additional stories there and pretty much no room for stories like STO is currently having.
Not mention that 25c is themed around the TNG era anyway, what makes ENT, DSC and TOS different is this respect is how far they are from "current day" in STO, ENT is 250 years in the past, DSC 150 years, and TOS(faction) is 140(ish) being set in the late 2150s, late 2250s and 2270.
Lower Decks is just 30 years before STO, TNG less then 50 (46 years to be exact for the TNG start, TNG was set 2364-2371), tech is pretty much the same and younger members of the TNG cast are still considered to be in active duty in STO.
Would like the uniforms but I would like to see some TWOK era stuff and maybe season 1 TNG
You got remember that not all stories that work in TV would work as playable episodes in STO.
EDIT:in-case people want to point out the Klingon-UFP war from DSC a) it's 2 CBS properties they can do what they want Cryptic cannot, b)there was clear indication in TOS that there had been a recent conflict between UFP and the Klingon Empire especially in hindsight when we got a better picture of the character of the UFP as a nation, just what that conflict was we didn't know.
I know that but I tried to phrase it so that it would sound less like me being the "fun police" and more just stating a fact, I already sound enough like a bitter old man who has forgotten what fun is when I remind them that there's really no room for additional stories in the way STO tells them in the TNG era at least not in the 2360-2380 time frame.
Honestly how I'd make a TNG themed STO episode is have ship from the 2360-2380 time frame disappear in that time and be found in the "current day" of STO and have our characters investigate the ship, either as an empty wreck with us having to trace the events that lead to disappearance or have it be found with the crew still alive and we'd still have to investigate how they ended up here and now. If going by the "empty wreck" option have play members of the crew while storywise we're reading their logs and records.
This could work for an ENT themed mission too as it doesn't technically rely on time travel.
- Everything that they left out out from the Cardassians :
Ground weapons (rifle + pistol) , wrist communicator (for left hand) , optional neck-scale paint for the Cardassian females , more color / makeup options for the cardassian females , a pass on the uniform so that the center actually points outward like the show
... and some pants that are not shiny .
Also , ffs a once over their ships would be nice too , as the new Galor still glows like a cheap ornament and still fires from the sensor strips , and one of the Intel ships has 4 engines glowing ... .
- Also wouldn't hurt to make the [Romulan Disruptor Wide Beam Pistol Mk VI] (from the mission "Frozen" ) finally upgradable , as it's the only TNG looking weapon that actually fires green (like the show) .
- And speaking of TNG weapons -- since ENTERPRISE got a show accurate hand phaser , isn't it time (11 years late) to put in a proper TNG looking hand phaser (without a hologram) ?
add in Cardassian Badges.
The TOS ("Agents Of Yesterday") mini-faction starts a character 150 years or so in the past (IE the TOS TV era) and by the end of that series of 5 missions, said character is deposited in the modern TNG-Post Nemesis era to continue on.
The TRIBBLE ("Age of Discovery") mini faction starts a character 160 years in the past, but in the end the same thing happens after the few missions in the "Age of Discovery" story tab, said character is deposited in the modern TNG-Post Nemesis era to continue on.
This game so far has paid the MOST homage to the TNG era (the majority of its 11 year existence. Exactly how much more of a TNG faction do you really need here?
[About the only group of Star Trek fans who've really gotten 'shafted' in some sense are any real fans of 'Enterprise'. EVERY other era - hell even the JJ Abrams Kelvin era - has at least a real mission involving characters from that era. ENT fans have some uniforms and a couple of the ships - but no real storyline tied to that series as yet. Kinda sad as ENT is coming up on it's 20 year anniversary...but it's fans have relatively little in game compared to every other Star Trek series - including the most recent ones. Now I like ENT myself although I'm not a big fan of it specifically, but even I would say it should have it's own Fed mini-faction before they add anything more for TNG.]
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Exactly we need an ENT faction with ENT Vulcans since they were different than the ones from TNG onwards, they came with a green tint that payed homage to Spock's olive green skin.