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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    The spatial trajector does does not work in TENEBRIS TORQUENT
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,632 Arc User
    edited March 3
    It doesn't, the dampening field deactivates all abilities, even those not requiring a target or combat.

    Though, hilariously, any melee attack that can rush you to an enemy location lets you casually walk over the gap (tried it with the nanopulse staff-rifle). Unfortunately, it's useless since the Mutant stops following you when you reach the platform room, unless you want to have fun and melee it until it goes invulnerable and casts its scream.
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    It doesn't, the dampening field deactivates all abilities, even those not requiring a target or combat.

    Though, hilariously, any melee attack that can rush you to an enemy location lets you casually walk over the gap (tried it with the nanopulse staff-rifle). Unfortunately, it's useless since the Mutant stops following you when you reach the platform room, unless you want to have fun and melee it until it goes invulnerable and casts its scream.

    How do you do that?
  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    I spent another hour running (and dying) in this mission. I can make a few jumps but never all of them. Why is this mission so hard?
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 8,809 Arc User
    indyshark wrote: »
    I spent another hour running (and dying) in this mission. I can make a few jumps but never all of them. Why is this mission so hard?

    Because the episode level designer is good at 3D jumping puzzles and didn't understand that some of us are not. Puzzles like this really need either an alternate solution or a "fail x times then automatically succeed" fallback like with the time travel episode where you are doing a slingshot back to the past version of Drozena station.

    I've managed to do it on several characters, but it took many, many tries.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,632 Arc User
    edited April 8
    indyshark wrote: »
    It doesn't, the dampening field deactivates all abilities, even those not requiring a target or combat.

    Though, hilariously, any melee attack that can rush you to an enemy location lets you casually walk over the gap (tried it with the nanopulse staff-rifle). Unfortunately, it's useless since the Mutant stops following you when you reach the platform room, unless you want to have fun and melee it until it goes invulnerable and casts its scream.

    How do you do that?
    It seems I missed this reply but I do this the way I just said, there is no trickery or anything, just have a weapon that can make you rush towards the enemy when they're too far.

    Also, I still can't comprehend how some people can fail the jumps. I know I play platformers but even then, I'm not that good at them (usually, when I reach a Mario or DKC secret bonus level and see how it is, I go "TRIBBLE that!"), and the jump difficulty of Tenebris Torquent, especially when running, wouldn't classify as a level part, but as one of the first tutorial parts in most games.

    No really, could someone having troubles with those jumps make a video of their attempts, please, because I'm genuinely wondering how it's possible?

    I'm aware some players have physical and/or mental difficulties and I can definitely understand in those cases, but that doesn't even seem to be the case, here.
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    I can make a video, but let me tell you what's happening. Sometimes I hit the jump button and it does not seem to work and I run into the gorge. Other times, I jump and don't jump far enough. I've been able to make 4 jumps in a row, only to die on the last jump. To be fair, it took me an hour to do that. I have been able to do this before, but for some reason, I am having more trouble on this mission with my new recruit.
  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    indyshark wrote: »
    I spent another hour running (and dying) in this mission. I can make a few jumps but never all of them. Why is this mission so hard?

    Because the episode level designer is good at 3D jumping puzzles and didn't understand that some of us are not. Puzzles like this really need either an alternate solution or a "fail x times then automatically succeed" fallback like with the time travel episode where you are doing a slingshot back to the past version of Drozena station.

    I've managed to do it on several characters, but it took many, many tries.

    I could not agree more! That little tweak would fix this problem and I'd be off to the puzzle maze. I don't like that one much either, but I can get through it eventually.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,632 Arc User
    indyshark wrote: »
    I can make a video, but let me tell you what's happening. Sometimes I hit the jump button and it does not seem to work and I run into the gorge.
    Could you type /netgraph 1 in the text box during a few attemtps and give at least the values of the 1st and 3rd lines?

    Because I'm assuming this key works for other games, right?

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  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,845 Arc User
    I'm curious to know if they altered the mission? I remember doing it, and had no trouble with it at all, but that was SOME time ago.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 53,032 Community Moderator
    Under normal circumstances, this would be technically a Necro (being over 30 days since last post), but seeing as how people are still trying to help with this issue the OP is having, and its still a relatively recent thing... I'll let it go. If this turns out to be more of a technical issue or something outside the player's control... I'll forward to AmbassadorKael to send to the appropriate people. In the meantime... let the tips flow guys. We got a player in need of help.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,632 Arc User
    edited April 8
    I'm curious to know if they altered the mission? I remember doing it, and had no trouble with it at all, but that was SOME time ago.
    They didn't.

    The only thing that seems to have changed (and is likely a harmless (literally) bug) is that the Mutant no longer pursues you across the platforms and just stops in front of the first one. Apparently, it used to be able to follow you there.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,062 Arc User
    I still don't get it.. you just press space right before the ledge.

    Maybe a video would help, because it's just unimaginable that anyone is having this much of an issue with this part.

    I normally wouldn't suggest this..

    But change your password to something temporarily and have someone else do it for you. Give them your info, have them do the mission, then change your password again.. because there is just no way to explain it other then 'run toward the edge and press space.'

    I don't know what's going on here, I really don't.. and I am sorry you're having this much trouble, but nothing is left to be said.. this just isn't that hard.

    Have someone else do it for you, there is no other solution. I'm sorry.
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    How do you make a video? I can assure you that I am hitting the space bar before the ledge and sometime the toon does not jump and it just runs into the gorge. If the space bar never worked that would be one thing. It works some of the times.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,062 Arc User
    indyshark wrote: »
    How do you make a video? I can assure you that I am hitting the space bar before the ledge and sometime the toon does not jump and it just runs into the gorge. If the space bar never worked that would be one thing. It works some of the times.

    Is there anyway you can try it from a friends house or something? the only thing I can think of is that Lag is causing you to not jump when you hit the button.. is there anyway you can try on a friends computer? maybe a laptop that you can take somewhere else?

    I am honestly baffled.. for me it just jumps when I hit space. I honestly don't know why yours doesn't. :disappointed:
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    I don't know anyone who lives near hear, but perhaps I can borrow a laptop.
  • westmetalswestmetals Member Posts: 5,260 Arc User
    edited April 8
    Just a thought... spacebar = jump is actually a setting in the options screen (it's a keybind)... perhaps check to make sure it is actually set that way? Does your character jump elsewhere?

    Alternately... have you tried setting the jump ability to a different key? (In case the issue is your spacebar?)
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,534 Arc User
    edited April 8
    They said that their character jumps sometimes and other times they don't jump.

    Only thing that makes sense is what sea said, they're experiencing lag.

    Unless they're pressing jump a bit too late and that's why they didn't jump and fell.
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    I can jump all over the map with the space bar. If just seems to fail sometime at the worst possible time (right before the edge...)
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,836 Arc User
    indyshark wrote: »
    How do you make a video?

    OBS is the program I've used for such things, though I'm far from an expert at it so I would recommend googling instructions for setting it up. Once it's recorded you can upload it to YouTube and then link the video here.
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    I added a second jump key and tried using that instead of the space button. It didn't help.
  • discojerdiscojer Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    am one of those stuck on it. I try every so often, but nope.

    There is a reason I play MMORPGs and not platformers...
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 863 Arc User
    edited April 9
    Tbf, this is not a "jumping puzzle". Nor is it a "platformer". It's just 3 jumps, not even consecutive ones.
    That said, I've asked around in my fleet and no one seems to have any problem with getting through it unless they *are* experiencing lag.

    @indyshark I think Sea's suggestion is the right one: you're lagging at the worst possible moment and that makes you fail again and again - though that's some really bad luck :(

    OBS is really easy to set up and works really well. Let me know if you can't find a reliable guide and I can write you one (complete with screenshots if you'd like).

    Now, a few of questions:
    - are you in Europe? If so, have you tried enabling one of the two available proxies?
    - are you playing in fullscreen? I ask this because playing in windowed mode will drop your framerate and that can also impact how the game receive and react to your inputs (in this case, jumping);
    - have you tried upping the brigthness? That level is not particularly bright, and it's possible that you're jumping a little too late because the edge is not exactly where you think it is. I'm not calling you stupid, just so we're clear: I'm talking from personal experience and I've learned to always play around a bit with the brightness because you never know when it might come in handy.
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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    Tbf, this is not a "jumping puzzle". Nor is it a "platformer". It's just 3 jumps, not even consecutive ones.
    That said, I've asked around in my fleet and no one seems to have any problem with getting through it unless they *are* experiencing lag.

    @indyshark I think Sea's suggestion is the right one: you're lagging at the worst possible moment and that makes you fail again and again - though that's some really bad luck :(

    OBS is really easy to set up and works really well. Let me know if you can't find a reliable guide and I can write you one (complete with screenshots if you'd like).

    Now, a few of questions:
    - are you in Europe? If so, have you tried enabling one of the two available proxies?
    - are you playing in fullscreen? I ask this because playing in windowed mode will drop your framerate and that can also impact how the game receive and react to your inputs (in this case, jumping);
    - have you tried upping the brigthness? That level is not particularly bright, and it's possible that you're jumping a little too late because the edge is not exactly where you think it is. I'm not calling you stupid, just so we're clear: I'm talking from personal experience and I've learned to always play around a bit with the brightness because you never know when it might come in handy.

    Jenny, thank you for your help! I think there are four jumps not three. One time I almost made it all the way and failed on the last jump.

    I'll look into QBS.

    I am in the US and play in fullscreen mode. The screen is fairly bright. I just seem to be incapable of making those jumps. I make them on occasion, but I can't seem to string enough of them together to make them all.

    The last time I tried this mission, the creature followed me over the first jump and killed me on the first platform. That was a new experience for me! He did this three times. One of the times, he fell into the abyss. I enjoyed that!

  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,438 Arc User
    I have OBS but can't seem to record anything. It says the buffers are overloaded. I tried reducing the video settings but that didn't help. I have selected game capture but the recordings are all black screens.
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,356 Arc User
    edited April 11
    I guess parts like this are one benefit of being a super old grandma. "Platforming" was a big thing in the '80s and '90s, and these sections of MMORPG games are a joke when compared to what we had to go through back then.

    Yes, I remember those days! Did you play Turok? Remember the horrid jumping puzzle part?

    And Tomb Raider, OMFG!
    I consider it bad design to require platforming in an MMO that has long had a history of lag issues due to external forces at play in the internet infrastructure between the server and client. And not everyone (myself included) has the greatest internet provider. Mine absolutely sucks, but they are the only one in my area so with the lack of competition, they have no motivation to improve their service. Price to pay for living in Banjoland...

    To impose twitch mechanics on an MMO with only one data center serving the entire world is not a good idea.

    This is a fair point. It's not really accurate to compare the old Single Player games where lag wasn't a factor.
  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,845 Arc User
    Did anyone play Armored Core on the PS1? There was a mission (the last one, I think) where you had to jump UP onto blocks that were moving around in the air. Miss, and you have to start again. I sat for 16 HOURS trying to get to the top, and never did. THAT was a painful jumping game. This mission is peanuts compared to that.
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