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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,295 Arc User
    They must have hired Marketing staff from QVC over the last few years. Bundling, only time this year at this price, and so on. :)
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  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    I still just can't wrap my brain around the price they're asking for this. I want these ships... but the ships alone (being the only items that really matter) have, maybe, a ~$100 value. Paying twice that for some frivolous bloat isn't even worth considering.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    If the reason to buy the ships is to get a known voice into the game with the result that they add barrel scraping boredom like the synthwave TFO then all the more reason not to buy into it.

    I see a phoenix event is kicking off so they're obviously concerned that due to their greedonomics not enough units will shift out of the store because only the whales are going to be buying zen and the rest are just being priced out.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,179 Arc User
    kurtron wrote: »
    Last year was, supposedly, the second best year money-wise since the game started... so, I ask: where has the money gone? Because I'm sorry, but I don't see it being reinvested in the game.

    That should be obvious, it all gets funneled up to Perfect World, with just enough invested in the game to barely keep it going.

    Yeah about that - were that the case, I doubt we'd be getting actual Star Trek actors for VO. That doesn't come cheap, so to claim stuff like that is: "just enough invested to barely keep it going is both disingenuous and inaccurate. Whether it's because of cryptic or PWE - there is a sizeable chunk of change spent by the developers/operators of this game (probably because they see it makes it much more profitable in the long run) -- but yeah considering the Star trek actors they continue to bring on board for VO - they SPEND money on keeping the game going far beyond 'barely keeping it going'.

    (And for the record, I'm no fan of the recent 'Bundles' or in Cryptic's/PWE's recent marketing tactics - but yeah they reinvest a sizable chunk back into the game, as demonstrated by the consistent use of actual Star Trek actors for VO -- and no CBS ain't footing that bill for them.)

    Well that seems a bit like investing tax money in a high speed train for the rich when your state has perennial water shortage issues despite a massive coastline ripe for desalinization plants.

    In other words, voice acting is a nice luxury, but it isn't gameplay, systems, or content.

    I'm not saying Cryptic doesn't invest in enough of that other stuff, I just don't know, but VO is never something that should be a priority over other concerns. This is a game, not an audiobook.
  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    kurtron wrote: »
    Last year was, supposedly, the second best year money-wise since the game started... so, I ask: where has the money gone? Because I'm sorry, but I don't see it being reinvested in the game.

    That should be obvious, it all gets funneled up to Perfect World, with just enough invested in the game to barely keep it going.

    Yeah about that - were that the case, I doubt we'd be getting actual Star Trek actors for VO. That doesn't come cheap, so to claim stuff like that is: "just enough invested to barely keep it going is both disingenuous and inaccurate. Whether it's because of cryptic or PWE - there is a sizeable chunk of change spent by the developers/operators of this game (probably because they see it makes it much more profitable in the long run) -- but yeah considering the Star trek actors they continue to bring on board for VO - they SPEND money on keeping the game going far beyond 'barely keeping it going'.

    (And for the record, I'm no fan of the recent 'Bundles' or in Cryptic's/PWE's recent marketing tactics - but yeah they reinvest a sizable chunk back into the game, as demonstrated by the consistent use of actual Star Trek actors for VO -- and no CBS ain't footing that bill for them.)

    Well that seems a bit like investing tax money in a high speed train for the rich when your state has perennial water shortage issues despite a massive coastline ripe for desalinization plants.

    In other words, voice acting is a nice luxury, but it isn't gameplay, systems, or content.

    I'm not saying Cryptic doesn't invest in enough of that other stuff, I just don't know, but VO is never something that should be a priority over other concerns. This is a game, not an audiobook.
    Players don't come back and play because a new system goes into a game; they come back and play because there is content, and they've proven that content draw is most effective when they throw some celeb VOs into it. The people who care about systems and advanced gameplay elements are the people who show up anyway, so catering to them is not as effective a use of funding.

    That they really need to focus on is better QA if you want to talk about systems. It's pretty inexcusable that they introduced a new element to the search/filter mechanic but didn't catch that it broke in a very obvious way other mechanics in that same system. The absolute bare minimum QA that should be done is to look at the systems being patched and check all the UI boxes to make sure they do what they are supposed to do. The only thing I can assume by this level of incompetence is that the QA team were all sent over to the Magic team for their live push and the people left doing STO are massively overworked.

  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,179 Arc User
    jaturnley wrote: »
    kurtron wrote: »
    Last year was, supposedly, the second best year money-wise since the game started... so, I ask: where has the money gone? Because I'm sorry, but I don't see it being reinvested in the game.

    That should be obvious, it all gets funneled up to Perfect World, with just enough invested in the game to barely keep it going.

    Yeah about that - were that the case, I doubt we'd be getting actual Star Trek actors for VO. That doesn't come cheap, so to claim stuff like that is: "just enough invested to barely keep it going is both disingenuous and inaccurate. Whether it's because of cryptic or PWE - there is a sizeable chunk of change spent by the developers/operators of this game (probably because they see it makes it much more profitable in the long run) -- but yeah considering the Star trek actors they continue to bring on board for VO - they SPEND money on keeping the game going far beyond 'barely keeping it going'.

    (And for the record, I'm no fan of the recent 'Bundles' or in Cryptic's/PWE's recent marketing tactics - but yeah they reinvest a sizable chunk back into the game, as demonstrated by the consistent use of actual Star Trek actors for VO -- and no CBS ain't footing that bill for them.)

    Well that seems a bit like investing tax money in a high speed train for the rich when your state has perennial water shortage issues despite a massive coastline ripe for desalinization plants.

    In other words, voice acting is a nice luxury, but it isn't gameplay, systems, or content.

    I'm not saying Cryptic doesn't invest in enough of that other stuff, I just don't know, but VO is never something that should be a priority over other concerns. This is a game, not an audiobook.
    Players don't come back and play because a new system goes into a game; they come back and play because there is content, and they've proven that content draw is most effective when they throw some celeb VOs into it. The people who care about systems and advanced gameplay elements are the people who show up anyway, so catering to them is not as effective a use of funding.

    That they really need to focus on is better QA if you want to talk about systems. It's pretty inexcusable that they introduced a new element to the search/filter mechanic but didn't catch that it broke in a very obvious way other mechanics in that same system. The absolute bare minimum QA that should be done is to look at the systems being patched and check all the UI boxes to make sure they do what they are supposed to do. The only thing I can assume by this level of incompetence is that the QA team were all sent over to the Magic team for their live push and the people left doing STO are massively overworked.

    VO and content is definitely not why I came back, nor can I imagine any VO ever enticing me. In fact I didn't even pay attention to the game during those years which included AOY and VIL. I didn't even know they happened until I did get back into the game. That is just me, but I'm really skeptical that anyone who stops playing cares about the VO or that they even know about it.

    And yes systems is what keeps people playing, so I'd also bet they get more $$ from regular players than those that disappear for long periods of time.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,450 Arc User
    The asking price of 250 dollars US - and the sale will put it at?
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 14,378 Arc User
    stark2k wrote: »
    The asking price of 250 dollars US - and the sale will put it at?

    Difficult to say really - chances are they'll run a Zen Charge sale, as per last year's anniversary.


  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,179 Arc User
    stark2k wrote: »
    The asking price of 250 dollars US - and the sale will put it at?

    18500 zen.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    They'll almost certainly run a zen charge bonus.

    Greedy high price, folk say no but reduced by a "sale" and you get interest piqued in some.

    A bonus zen thing will give the perception that value is better and tip those folk over the edge and into burning cash on an overpriced bundle with a lot of subjectively pointless filler.
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 893 Arc User
    edited February 5
    The crux of this matter is a marketing decision made by Cryptic. Cryptic has decided that it will be more profitable to force players who want a specific ship(s) to pay for several other ships and a bunch of junk they don't want in order to get that ship. They are operating under the premise that there are enough players out there willing to pay for all the stuff they don't want in order to get what they do want to compensate for the players that are not willing to pay extra for stuff they don't want.

    As much as I hate to admit it, I think that their premise is probably true. I also think it is not hard to imagine that a player who wants a specific legendary ship, but is unwilling to pay the exorbidant price for the pack, might settle and spend their money on a normal C-store ship. Thus Cryptic is getting their money anyways. It really is a double win for Crypic.

    I do not think their are enough players who are willing to vote with their wallet and cease buying zen to change Crypic's behavior.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 9,034 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    I do not think their are enough players who are willing to vote with their wallet and cease buying zen to change Crypic's behavior.
    People have been saying this since lockboxes were introduced in STO back in 2012, and its proven utterly true.

    You know what though? Lockboxes have an around 1/250 chance of getting a ship. In zen terms, that is 28,125 zen worth of keys for one, character based, lockbox ship. R&D packs are around 1/100, or around 25K zen each. Again, for a single character unlock ship.

    By comparison, you can spend 30K zen and get the 10th anniversary legendary pack that has 10 ships, and all the skins and consoles of all other versions of those ships that had been released at that point. As well as being account unlocked. In that same vein, the Legendary Rom/DSC bundles are also only 12K zen. These bundles tend to be ultimately cheaper then lockbox or R&D ships, as well as being account wide.

    To make matters "worse" depending on how you look at it, large numbers of people have been saying, since pretty much lockbox ships were introduced, they would pay top dollar for account wide unlock versions of these ships. These sorts of high cost bundles/ships are exactly what people have been asking for some time. Which is likely why they have apparently sold well enough Cryptic has decided to keep making them.

    Same thing with Mudd's Market. The Benthan Assault cruiser, even when not on sale, is 17K zen. Which means its around 11K zen less then trying to pull it out of a box, and its account wide.

    Ultimately, these things cost someone, somewhere, less.
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