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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,920 Arc User
    > @mustrumridcully0 said:
    > The people on twitter and facebook are also part of the community.
    > Information usually finds its way to the forums anyway. Because we are a community, we don't actually need the community manager to write posts personally. Members of the community will do it.
    > And I almost believe part of this "Schnitzeljagd" for information is what actually makes people even more emotionally invested in it. Because the ones to post threads like this will be thanked for by their peers for what they do.
    >
    > Thanks @thegrandnagus1 , by the way.

    That's akin to a firefighter staying in the fire house and not going to the fire because, meh, the neighbors can put out the fire.

    I get other platforms are players too, however, to have the player base here do the job of the CM is uncalled for.

    The forums have become the red headed step kid for anything anymore.

    Isn't that what the Galactic News portion is for? News?

    Hell, if the current CM dislikes the forums, pay grand a wage to replace him here.

    /offsoapbox

    If marketing or "community guy" is like firefighting, than posting on twitter or facebook is putting out the big fire so it doesn't spread. But it's really more the opposite of firefighting - putting the fire where it will spread the best and burn as much as possible. People don't generally link to forum posts on twitter. They link to tweets in forum posts.
    The important stuff the player really has to know is on their website already - things like downtimes, patch notes, ongoing sales. The stuff that's just there to get people interested in the game or remind them that they should come back, that's twitter or facebook material.
    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User
    edited January 29
    > @mustrumridcully0 said:
    > The people on twitter and facebook are also part of the community.
    > Information usually finds its way to the forums anyway. Because we are a community, we don't actually need the community manager to write posts personally. Members of the community will do it.
    > And I almost believe part of this "Schnitzeljagd" for information is what actually makes people even more emotionally invested in it. Because the ones to post threads like this will be thanked for by their peers for what they do.
    >
    > Thanks @thegrandnagus1 , by the way.

    That's akin to a firefighter staying in the fire house and not going to the fire because, meh, the neighbors can put out the fire.

    I get other platforms are players too, however, to have the player base here do the job of the CM is uncalled for.

    The forums have become the red headed step kid for anything anymore.

    Isn't that what the Galactic News portion is for? News?

    Hell, if the current CM dislikes the forums, pay grand a wage to replace him here.

    /offsoapbox

    If marketing or "community guy" is like firefighting, than posting on twitter or facebook is putting out the big fire so it doesn't spread. But it's really more the opposite of firefighting - putting the fire where it will spread the best and burn as much as possible. People don't generally link to forum posts on twitter. They link to tweets in forum posts.
    The important stuff the player really has to know is on their website already - things like downtimes, patch notes, ongoing sales. The stuff that's just there to get people interested in the game or remind them that they should come back, that's twitter or facebook material.

    It's all about Cryptic engaging with their community. These forums, with membership being tied directly to the same account used to play the game, rather than some third party platform, should be where the devs engage with the pubic. and where interaction should be encouraged.

    They should post here, and then on those other platforms, post a link to those threads here. Nobody says they need to refrain from using the other platforms. Just that these are the official forums sharing the same account for actually playing the game, which makes them tied more tightly to the game than social media or reddit.

    In his response to me on Reddit, Kael indicated that what people on the forums, reddit and social media want out of the game doesn't line up with what actual players of the game want. Well, if they treated the official forums, owned by them and hosted on their own network, like the central hub of dissemination and interaction, then they could promote them as where people should go with issues and ideas and requests. And then only respond according to interactions here.

    Those who want to see things added can come here.
    Those who have issues with the game can come here.
    Those looking for information can come here.
    Anyone who can play the game can post here...

    But by listening so much to and interacting so much with social media and reddit and so little here, I see them missing a big opportunity for truly unifying the community and being able to get a sense for what players want. Yes there are people on these forums who haven't actually played the game in a while. They say as much all the time. Their money spent on fluff is just as valuable as someone on Reddit or Twitter or Facebook. But if they are not playing, then they certainly are not spending. If Cryptic treated the forums as the core community gathering place, maybe they will know why people post to the forums but don't play the game, and could work it into their development pipeline to address those issues.

    Maybe that can change. They need to stop treating the forum community like a bstrd at a family reunion. And many in this community need to stop acting like entitled d-bags about every little thing... The door swings both ways. I'm leaving my d-baggery behind.
    When it comes to MMOs, I wear prescription glasses. Whether or not they are rose-tinted is beside the point.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,920 Arc User
    Facebook, Twitter and forums have been around for a while, and so have community managers. I suspect that they do what they do because it works, and I can see why it works. It doesn't matter if they "promote" the forums as the way to discuss STO in the forums because it just won't be working. Because not all people are like that, going to forums regularly to get up to date and then jump into some discussions and going in deep. It's just a high barrier of entry, and it requires deeper engagement than they are ready for.

    A tweet, or a facebook post - that just appears in your stream ,and you an read it, ignore it, reply to it, reshare it with others.

    And of course, there are also technical limitations. I can't even visit these forums during my work day, because gaming sites are blocked by the company's firewall. I can go to reddit, twitter, or facebook because these are pretty universal communication platforms and if you block them as well, you might reduce distractions for your workers, but in many jobs, you might also hinder their ability to do their job and stay up to date in their profession.
    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User
    Facebook, Twitter and forums have been around for a while, and so have community managers. I suspect that they do what they do because it works, and I can see why it works. It doesn't matter if they "promote" the forums as the way to discuss STO in the forums because it just won't be working. Because not all people are like that, going to forums regularly to get up to date and then jump into some discussions and going in deep. It's just a high barrier of entry, and it requires deeper engagement than they are ready for.

    A tweet, or a facebook post - that just appears in your stream ,and you an read it, ignore it, reply to it, reshare it with others.

    And of course, there are also technical limitations. I can't even visit these forums during my work day, because gaming sites are blocked by the company's firewall. I can go to reddit, twitter, or facebook because these are pretty universal communication platforms and if you block them as well, you might reduce distractions for your workers, but in many jobs, you might also hinder their ability to do their job and stay up to date in their profession.

    And there are a lot of people who, for whatever reason, don't use social media or reddit. That's their prerogative. By neglecting to post on the forums, it forces us to go that route if we want to engage with Cryptic. To me that does not sit well.

    I don't care if they post to social media and reddit. So long as they also post to the forums, so everyone can be reached with announcements, and where everyone can engage with them.
    When it comes to MMOs, I wear prescription glasses. Whether or not they are rose-tinted is beside the point.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    Facebook, Twitter and forums have been around for a while, and so have community managers. I suspect that they do what they do because it works, and I can see why it works. It doesn't matter if they "promote" the forums as the way to discuss STO in the forums because it just won't be working. Because not all people are like that, going to forums regularly to get up to date and then jump into some discussions and going in deep. It's just a high barrier of entry, and it requires deeper engagement than they are ready for.

    A tweet, or a facebook post - that just appears in your stream ,and you an read it, ignore it, reply to it, reshare it with others.

    And of course, there are also technical limitations. I can't even visit these forums during my work day, because gaming sites are blocked by the company's firewall. I can go to reddit, twitter, or facebook because these are pretty universal communication platforms and if you block them as well, you might reduce distractions for your workers, but in many jobs, you might also hinder their ability to do their job and stay up to date in their profession.

    That blocking of gaming sites is a hit or miss thing though, while a lot do routinely block gaming sites, a lot of businesses don't know the url of every gaming site around and most don't care anyway if it is not a browser based game that can be launched from that site. Often they just block the websites of the biggest, most popular ones like WoW and Final Fantasy and don't bother blocking the smaller ones like STO unless some incident brings one of them to their attention.

    Many depend more on general security measures like preventing unauthorized software from being installed to keep people from actually gaming, and posted rules/disciplinary actions to keep employees from "cyberslacking" in the various forums.

    They are more likely to block the big social media sites like Twitter, Facebook and Reddit instead, and allow exceptions only for departments who's operation may involve them, like an advertising or customer service department, (in fact, that is exactly the way the last place I worked did it). If you wanted to tweet anything you had to go outside and use your phone.
  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 979 Arc User
    I am one of those people who do not use social media.
    I have a facebook page, and for as often as I go on it, its like I dont have one at all period.
    As to the devs prefering reddit and twitter, I for one will not chase updates across multiple social media platforms, I go to one platform and thats it period end, so tell me the single one I should go on and I will otherwise its this one.
    Also, any update that is not posted here by a dev is considered rumor till it either happens in game or posted here by a dev.
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User
    I am one of those people who do not use social media.
    I have a facebook page, and for as often as I go on it, its like I dont have one at all period.
    As to the devs prefering reddit and twitter, I for one will not chase updates across multiple social media platforms, I go to one platform and thats it period end, so tell me the single one I should go on and I will otherwise its this one.
    Also, any update that is not posted here by a dev is considered rumor till it either happens in game or posted here by a dev.

    @ambassadorkael#6946 - I think you will find that a lot of people share this sentiment. We are talking just a few seconds to copy and paste whatever you guys share on social media and reddit into a forum post. Treat all branches of the STO community equally.

    When it comes to MMOs, I wear prescription glasses. Whether or not they are rose-tinted is beside the point.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,702 Arc User
    edited February 1
    Treat all branches of the STO community equally.

    Good inspiring sentiment for all facets of life not just STO, but far too often lousy implementation.

  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User
    Treat all branches of the STO community equally.

    Good inspiring sentiment for all facets of life not just STO, but far too often lousy implementation.
    It can change. But both sides need to put forth an effort. If we can achieve an equilibrium with each other and with Cryptic, I believe that the way forward can be a lot smoother than the bumpy road we are all on now. But we've all got to want it and strive for it.

    That's what I want to be about in this community now that I've gotten over myself. I regret that it took so long for me to do that. This whole covid thing has made me look at things a lot differently. I choose to lay aside toxicity and entitlement and see what sort of bridges I can help build. Raging about or demanding this or that has accomplished nothing but widen the gulf. Yes, Cryptic needs to communicate better, but from my chair, we need to stop acting like spoiled brats about everything. We haven't treated Cryptic, or each other, with respect for a long time. I like to think that we are all here because we love STO, if not for what it is, then for the great potential it has had from the beginning and still has to this day.

    Imagine what could be accomplished if we and Cryptic could sit with each other around a table with no animosity or discomfort and see some of that potential reached. That is a future I would very much love to be a part of. It is possible. We just have to want it and strive for it. That is my declaration of intent going forward.
    When it comes to MMOs, I wear prescription glasses. Whether or not they are rose-tinted is beside the point.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 4,847 Arc User
    edited February 1
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.


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  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.

    These are the official forums. The STO subreddit is the official subreddit. The STO social media accounts are the official social media accounts. If they are all official outlets, then inequality applies when one or more of them are given official attention and others are neglected, specially when Cryptic KNOWS that not everyone on the forums uses reddit or social media, and not everyone on reddit and social media uses the forums.

    If this were some third party forum that Cryptic happened to post on at one time and stopped when they got official outlets to use, I would not be taking the position I have taken. But this is one of their official outlets. The closest to home in fact. It's hosted on their own network. It uses the same criteria as logging into the game uses. While I initially held that this should be where news originates and then gets linked to on Reddit or social media, I've shifted a bit to say that the forums should be used in equilibrium with other outlets so no matter where a community member is coming from, the information is available.

    That is the equality I refer to. The forums don't need to be treated with more priority than the other outlets. But they should not be treated with any less of one either. I mean, we're talking about copying and pasting information to jut one more place. We're talking maybe thirty seconds... I don't think it's an unfair thing to ask for.
    When it comes to MMOs, I wear prescription glasses. Whether or not they are rose-tinted is beside the point.
  • ambassadorkael#6946 ambassadorkael Member, Administrator Posts: 2,365 Community Manager
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.

    These are the official forums. The STO subreddit is the official subreddit. The STO social media accounts are the official social media accounts. If they are all official outlets, then inequality applies when one or more of them are given official attention and others are neglected, specially when Cryptic KNOWS that not everyone on the forums uses reddit or social media, and not everyone on reddit and social media uses the forums.

    If this were some third party forum that Cryptic happened to post on at one time and stopped when they got official outlets to use, I would not be taking the position I have taken. But this is one of their official outlets. The closest to home in fact. It's hosted on their own network. It uses the same criteria as logging into the game uses. While I initially held that this should be where news originates and then gets linked to on Reddit or social media, I've shifted a bit to say that the forums should be used in equilibrium with other outlets so no matter where a community member is coming from, the information is available.

    That is the equality I refer to. The forums don't need to be treated with more priority than the other outlets. But they should not be treated with any less of one either. I mean, we're talking about copying and pasting information to jut one more place. We're talking maybe thirty seconds... I don't think it's an unfair thing to ask for.

    For what it's worth - I agree. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to take more time to be on here, lately. The main issue is how much easier it is to respond to things on Reddit or Twitter. I realize that's not a good excuse, however, and I'm genuinely going to try and be on here to answer questions and such more often.

    Please do keep in mind, though, that I wear a million hats and am not anywhere where players congregate as much as I'd like.

  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 2,848 Arc User
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.

    These are the official forums. The STO subreddit is the official subreddit. The STO social media accounts are the official social media accounts. If they are all official outlets, then inequality applies when one or more of them are given official attention and others are neglected, specially when Cryptic KNOWS that not everyone on the forums uses reddit or social media, and not everyone on reddit and social media uses the forums.

    If this were some third party forum that Cryptic happened to post on at one time and stopped when they got official outlets to use, I would not be taking the position I have taken. But this is one of their official outlets. The closest to home in fact. It's hosted on their own network. It uses the same criteria as logging into the game uses. While I initially held that this should be where news originates and then gets linked to on Reddit or social media, I've shifted a bit to say that the forums should be used in equilibrium with other outlets so no matter where a community member is coming from, the information is available.

    That is the equality I refer to. The forums don't need to be treated with more priority than the other outlets. But they should not be treated with any less of one either. I mean, we're talking about copying and pasting information to jut one more place. We're talking maybe thirty seconds... I don't think it's an unfair thing to ask for.

    For what it's worth - I agree. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to take more time to be on here, lately. The main issue is how much easier it is to respond to things on Reddit or Twitter. I realize that's not a good excuse, however, and I'm genuinely going to try and be on here to answer questions and such more often.

    Please do keep in mind, though, that I wear a million hats and am not anywhere where players congregate as much as I'd like.

    i appreciate the post and wording to make an effort, but you also gave yourself salvation just after that.

    we get you cant be everywhere at a given time, as none of us can either, but your wording after you expressed a duty to "try" to make more time here, is questionable.

    as yoda said... "do or do not, there is no try."

    again, appreciated, and hopefully the "try" will be as noteworthy as the other platforms. :)


    meh

  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.

    These are the official forums. The STO subreddit is the official subreddit. The STO social media accounts are the official social media accounts. If they are all official outlets, then inequality applies when one or more of them are given official attention and others are neglected, specially when Cryptic KNOWS that not everyone on the forums uses reddit or social media, and not everyone on reddit and social media uses the forums.

    If this were some third party forum that Cryptic happened to post on at one time and stopped when they got official outlets to use, I would not be taking the position I have taken. But this is one of their official outlets. The closest to home in fact. It's hosted on their own network. It uses the same criteria as logging into the game uses. While I initially held that this should be where news originates and then gets linked to on Reddit or social media, I've shifted a bit to say that the forums should be used in equilibrium with other outlets so no matter where a community member is coming from, the information is available.

    That is the equality I refer to. The forums don't need to be treated with more priority than the other outlets. But they should not be treated with any less of one either. I mean, we're talking about copying and pasting information to jut one more place. We're talking maybe thirty seconds... I don't think it's an unfair thing to ask for.

    For what it's worth - I agree. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to take more time to be on here, lately. The main issue is how much easier it is to respond to things on Reddit or Twitter. I realize that's not a good excuse, however, and I'm genuinely going to try and be on here to answer questions and such more often.

    Please do keep in mind, though, that I wear a million hats and am not anywhere where players congregate as much as I'd like.

    Indeed. You have been more active here recently than usual, and it is nice to see.

    Regarding the many hats you wear, perhaps that is yet another thing that contributes to why so many people don't understand why they don't see you around as often as they think a community manager should be around? Maybe if they knew how much you do that isn't just relaying info to the community.... People see your title as Community Manager and figure that's all there is to it. I'm not even clear on what all you do for the team.

    When it comes to MMOs, I wear prescription glasses. Whether or not they are rose-tinted is beside the point.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,702 Arc User
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.

    These are the official forums. The STO subreddit is the official subreddit. The STO social media accounts are the official social media accounts. If they are all official outlets, then inequality applies when one or more of them are given official attention and others are neglected, specially when Cryptic KNOWS that not everyone on the forums uses reddit or social media, and not everyone on reddit and social media uses the forums.

    If this were some third party forum that Cryptic happened to post on at one time and stopped when they got official outlets to use, I would not be taking the position I have taken. But this is one of their official outlets. The closest to home in fact. It's hosted on their own network. It uses the same criteria as logging into the game uses. While I initially held that this should be where news originates and then gets linked to on Reddit or social media, I've shifted a bit to say that the forums should be used in equilibrium with other outlets so no matter where a community member is coming from, the information is available.

    That is the equality I refer to. The forums don't need to be treated with more priority than the other outlets. But they should not be treated with any less of one either. I mean, we're talking about copying and pasting information to jut one more place. We're talking maybe thirty seconds... I don't think it's an unfair thing to ask for.

    For what it's worth - I agree. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to take more time to be on here, lately. The main issue is how much easier it is to respond to things on Reddit or Twitter. I realize that's not a good excuse, however, and I'm genuinely going to try and be on here to answer questions and such more often.

    Please do keep in mind, though, that I wear a million hats and am not anywhere where players congregate as much as I'd like.

    I appreciate the gent reaching-out & corresponding with us briefly about the topic & offering his perspective too. Probably I'm a minority, but some of us might have a real disdain for social media sites. Do I expect massive change from now on? No, but hopefully The official forums will be included more in the future as well.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 4,847 Arc User
    edited February 1
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,593 Arc User
    A quick note: for the record I agree that they should be posted info here. I just want to be clear about that point, so no one is confused by my following comments.

    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice. And even if those website are blocked when you are at work...well, you are at work. You can still use them when you are at home.

    So yes, I completely agree the company should be posting info to it's own forums. But no, it's not because of 'equality' or anything like that. I hope that makes sense.

    These are the official forums. The STO subreddit is the official subreddit. The STO social media accounts are the official social media accounts. If they are all official outlets, then inequality applies when one or more of them are given official attention and others are neglected, specially when Cryptic KNOWS that not everyone on the forums uses reddit or social media, and not everyone on reddit and social media uses the forums.

    If this were some third party forum that Cryptic happened to post on at one time and stopped when they got official outlets to use, I would not be taking the position I have taken. But this is one of their official outlets. The closest to home in fact. It's hosted on their own network. It uses the same criteria as logging into the game uses. While I initially held that this should be where news originates and then gets linked to on Reddit or social media, I've shifted a bit to say that the forums should be used in equilibrium with other outlets so no matter where a community member is coming from, the information is available.

    That is the equality I refer to. The forums don't need to be treated with more priority than the other outlets. But they should not be treated with any less of one either. I mean, we're talking about copying and pasting information to jut one more place. We're talking maybe thirty seconds... I don't think it's an unfair thing to ask for.

    For what it's worth - I agree. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to take more time to be on here, lately. The main issue is how much easier it is to respond to things on Reddit or Twitter. I realize that's not a good excuse, however, and I'm genuinely going to try and be on here to answer questions and such more often.

    Please do keep in mind, though, that I wear a million hats and am not anywhere where players congregate as much as I'd like.

    Cheers. I appreciate the effort.
  • westmetalswestmetals Member Posts: 6,510 Arc User
    edited February 3
    That said, this is not some 'social' issue about 'equality'. We all have access to the same internet. We all have the choice to use twitter, or reddit, or not. No one is being denied access to those platforms because of any kind of social injustice.

    That would be wonderful... if it were true.

    I've been banned from Twitter for years, because they took issue with my name. While having a policy that says you are supposed to use your legal name "or other name you are known by in real life" (I have no such), they decided to listen to people falsely accusing me of impersonating a minor celebrity (a published nonfiction author) whom I happen to be related to (we're like fifth cousins and have the same first and last name because of being named after the same ancestor) and who is dead. Even after I explicitly put in my profile that I'm not him and avoided any posting on the topic of his books. Not good enough for Twitter. They demanded that I change my name away from my legal name, but refused to give me an explicit pass on the real name policy when I repeatedly told them that I could not comply with both at the same time as that is the only name I'm known by IRL (they repeatedly told me "just use your nickname".... I have never used a nickname) and eventually simply permalocked my account for non-compliance with moderation.

    THIS is why, @ambassadorkael , we need you on the official forums - because some of us CAN'T interact elsewhere.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 4,847 Arc User
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,351 Arc User

    I find the timing of this to be a little odd... Unless, while adding KDF ships to faction 1 and UFP ships to fction 2, both UPF and KDF ships are about to be added to Faction 0 in preparation for the eventual faction merge...
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,383 Arc User
    Good god, adding MORE unwanted junk is not the solution to the bundle problem.
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  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 6,348 Arc User
    edited February 10
    Good god, adding MORE unwanted junk is not the solution to the bundle problem.

    Exactly! It reminds me a lot of when Q was laughing at Picard for not getting the many hints he gave him during the trail of humanity.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,486 Arc User
    The adding of Lobi is, in my opinion, a very 'tone deaf' response.

    People are complaining that all the bloat is inflating the cost of the bundle, they opted to alleviate that by adding a little more bloat and not examining the idea of cost adjustment. I think most of us agree that the response we would have preferred would have been a removal of items from the bundle along with an appropriate cost reduction.

    Adding 500 Lobi does nothing for most of us. It's just a 'throw in' for a bundle we don't plan to buy anyway. I am really anxious to see how many of these ships I actually see in game once the pack drops.

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  • eladonwarps#6040 eladonwarps Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    If you check the Tweets themselves for the replies though, it seems that the Lobi did sweeten the pot for quite a few players. Not really for me, but just saying.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 14,907 Arc User
    The adding of Lobi is, in my opinion, a very 'tone deaf' response.

    People are complaining that all the bloat is inflating the cost of the bundle, they opted to alleviate that by adding a little more bloat and not examining the idea of cost adjustment. I think most of us agree that the response we would have preferred would have been a removal of items from the bundle along with an appropriate cost reduction.

    Adding 500 Lobi does nothing for most of us. It's just a 'throw in' for a bundle we don't plan to buy anyway. I am really anxious to see how many of these ships I actually see in game once the pack drops.

    Sadly, I suspect there'll be rather a lot of them.



  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 2,848 Arc User
    edited February 10
    reyan01 wrote: »
    The adding of Lobi is, in my opinion, a very 'tone deaf' response.

    People are complaining that all the bloat is inflating the cost of the bundle, they opted to alleviate that by adding a little more bloat and not examining the idea of cost adjustment. I think most of us agree that the response we would have preferred would have been a removal of items from the bundle along with an appropriate cost reduction.

    Adding 500 Lobi does nothing for most of us. It's just a 'throw in' for a bundle we don't plan to buy anyway. I am really anxious to see how many of these ships I actually see in game once the pack drops.

    Sadly, I suspect there'll be rather a lot of them.

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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,268 Bug Hunter
    reyan01 wrote: »
    The adding of Lobi is, in my opinion, a very 'tone deaf' response.

    People are complaining that all the bloat is inflating the cost of the bundle, they opted to alleviate that by adding a little more bloat and not examining the idea of cost adjustment. I think most of us agree that the response we would have preferred would have been a removal of items from the bundle along with an appropriate cost reduction.

    Adding 500 Lobi does nothing for most of us. It's just a 'throw in' for a bundle we don't plan to buy anyway. I am really anxious to see how many of these ships I actually see in game once the pack drops.

    Sadly, I suspect there'll be rather a lot of them.

    yup...but still not me.

    Perhaps, yet I really think this Anniversary Bundle was specifically geared toward's NEW or Returning Players, though it does have value to a wider audience however.
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  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited February 11
    strathkin wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    The adding of Lobi is, in my opinion, a very 'tone deaf' response.

    People are complaining that all the bloat is inflating the cost of the bundle, they opted to alleviate that by adding a little more bloat and not examining the idea of cost adjustment. I think most of us agree that the response we would have preferred would have been a removal of items from the bundle along with an appropriate cost reduction.

    Adding 500 Lobi does nothing for most of us. It's just a 'throw in' for a bundle we don't plan to buy anyway. I am really anxious to see how many of these ships I actually see in game once the pack drops.

    Sadly, I suspect there'll be rather a lot of them.

    yup...but still not me.

    Perhaps, yet I really think this Anniversary Bundle was specifically geared toward's NEW or Returning Players, though it does have value to a wider audience however.

    Oh for sure. After all, a new player won't be able to really tell if the price asked for it it's worth it, therefore it's way easier to sell them a bloated up bundle for a ridiculous price than it is with veteran players.
    As for the "wider audience"... I highly doubt it. This bundle have little to no value for everyone. Now, if the ships were to be sold in a ships-only bundle at a reasonable price, things would be different.
    But they're not, so...
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,383 Arc User
    edited February 12
    Kael's response to a Reddit thread about "Cryptic's selective logic about the forums/reddit being a vocal minority":
    Lemme see if I can help make this make sense.

    Tl;dr: everything is on a case by case basis.

    Every piece of feedback is collated by me or by QA and passed on to the right people, whether that's production or the individual developers (or, in the case of bug reports, verified then passed on). In the case of things like the forums/reddit overwhelmingly saying, "I won't buy that," well that's a huge cause for concern and something that we talked about when it cropped up last year for the ten ship bundle. But...in the end, it sold really well, and people still ask every day when it will be available next.

    Similarly: players on here posit a lot that if we just put every ship in the C-store, or if we sold bundles that were only for Klingons/Romulans/Dominion, we would sell a lot. The sales data doesn't support this. Players don't come out in droves to buy single ships, and non-Fed ships don't sell well.

    Does this mean folks on here and the forums are liars? Of course not. It DOES mean that there are a lot of folks who disagree on what they want, and simply don't post here. And if we were truly cynical, we wouldn't make ships for other races now that anybody can fly anything, but the team works really hard to make sure things like the second Recon Bundle get out, even if they aren't as giant sellers, because we want to make sure the people who really DO want the alien experience can still have it. It's also why we've spent a bunch of time updating the Romulan and Klingon starting experiences, in the hopes that we'll get more players interested in those races.

    Now, as for the stats. Once again, huge outcry. One again, reported to the folks who can do something about it. And in this case, Geko and Borticus took a look at the stats and said, "Yeah, that's valid, we can improve these in these ways," and then they went and did that. Geko specifically asked me to go through and collate every piece of feedback about the ships' stats to present to them, after I brought up my concerns in a Leads meeting. Which I did.

    So, the long and short is: every time there's an outcry or upset players here, I report on it and we discuss it. The response changes each time. If there's validity to it, or something we can do (adding Lobi to the bundle, for example - by the way, you didn't hear it from me, but 500 Lobi WILL be enough to buy a new ship the weekend the bundle goes live, so that's now a six-seven ship bundle, depending on when you buy), we execute on it. It would be stupid not to listen to you guys, because you're our most passionate fans and we like you, even when you make weird memes of Geko or call for me to be fired every day. :) I've said over and over that I love this community because I do. And we DO listen. But that doesn't always mean that we will do every single thing that you ask, because that would also be a bad idea. We have to look at the whole picture, including data from folks you might never see on here.

    Does that make sense?

    My biggest disappointment with this is that their sales data indicates non-bundles don't sell, but big bundles like this do 😔 I really, REALLY hope this bundle is different when it comes to sales, cause otherwise:

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