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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    I hope that if/when the T6 Nova is going to be in the game, Kael send reyan01, the champion for the ship, a heads up.

    Just to say, 'Hey, the ship you've been waiting for is on it's way! :)'

    :D

    Extremely unlikely. Considering the lack of interest they've shown in this I suspect that, if they're even aware of me (which I very much doubt), I'm just annoying background noise.
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I hope that if/when the T6 Nova is going to be in the game, Kael send reyan01, the champion for the ship, a heads up.

    Just to say, 'Hey, the ship you've been waiting for is on it's way! :)'

    That assumes that Kael pays any attention to the forum. Which he does not.

    Very true.

    To be honest, between that fact and the accusation (from Cryptic's #1 cheerleader) of starting another thread about this being "obsession, bordering on derangement" I'm starting to think I shouldn't have bothered.

  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,249 Arc User
    Nice to see Reyan continue his crusade for a tier 6 nova. Hey Cryptic, want that wallet to open, that T6 nova is a great way to do it.
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  • ussvaliant2#1952 ussvaliant2 Member Posts: 338 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    reyan01 - We need a T6 Nova or texture revamp

    Commander Kruge - NO!

    reyan01 - Why?

    Commander Kruge - Because you wish it.


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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    reyan01 - We need a T6 Nova or texture revamp

    Commander Kruge - NO!

    reyan01 - Why?

    Commander Kruge - Because you wish it.


    :D
    I.... have had enough...... of YOU!
    ;)
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    talonxv wrote: »
    Nice to see Reyan continue his crusade for a tier 6 nova. Hey Cryptic, want that wallet to open, that T6 nova is a great way to do it.

    Sadly, according to 'some' here, it's not a popular ship, and since no-one wants it Cryptics shouldn't bother.
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,165 Arc User
    I think a T6 Nova would make a good sci raider pilot ship.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,799 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    I think a T6 Nova would make a good sci raider pilot ship.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, t-6 nova/k'vort MW scout two pack. the nova can make better use of the features then the Intrepid could.

    plus I'ld kinda prefer the dyson line for a pilot science ship.


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  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,088 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I hope that if/when the T6 Nova is going to be in the game, Kael send reyan01, the champion for the ship, a heads up.

    Just to say, 'Hey, the ship you've been waiting for is on it's way! :)'

    That assumes that Kael pays any attention to the forum. Which he does not.

    Very true.

    To be honest, between that fact and the accusation (from Cryptic's #1 cheerleader) of starting another thread about this being "obsession, bordering on derangement" I'm starting to think I shouldn't have bothered.

    Oh made, you made me SNORT! ROFL

    Seriously tho, forget about him and go on opening all the threads you want. You're well within your right to do so, after all, and if people that don't care about it are so butthurt that they have this urgent need to come in and try to shut you down... who cares?
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    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    The Nova/Rhode Island is part of the leveling experience for F2P players trying out the game, for any career, but specifically suited for Science (1 of 3 major career types). Rhode island costs 37,500 Dil, character bound, a sum a new player is unlikely to hit before already leveling beyond the ship class at Tier 2.

    Nebula (Tier 3)'s been revamped, so has Intrepid (Tier 4), and Luna (Tier 5).

    That leaves the Oberth (Tier 1) and Nova (Tier 2) as completely free science vessel ships for federation characters that do not look up to standards.

    At tier 2 there's also the revamped Daedalus for 37,500 Dil, but the Rhode Island (37,500 Dil) is vastly sub-par in visual quality.

    No matter if someone hates or likes federation, science ships, science career, addressing these 2 major gaps (Oberth & Nova) in visual quality is necessary to round out those many players who F2P try STO so at the very least they have a more consistent experience (role playing Star Trek ships, with canon or Cryptic design options) and more accurate representation of STO as it really is and not as it was way long ago.
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  • ussvaliant2#1952 ussvaliant2 Member Posts: 338 Arc User
    I want's a T6 Nova I was thinking of holding a protest at Cryptic Studios followed by storming the place... err... I mean a tour of the place, followed by going on a Twit rant and stating Cryptic are Novaphobes and calling for them to be boycotted.

    Then I thought to myself if I did that it means going outside, interacting with people in the real world and being away from the game, so I kicked my shoes back off, loaded up the game, stood at the ship vendor at ESD and used the "cry" and "hold torch" emote repeatedly as I looked at the poor resolution Nova model in game.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    I want's a T6 Nova I was thinking of holding a protest at Cryptic Studios followed by storming the place... err... I mean a tour of the place, followed by going on a Twit rant and stating Cryptic are Novaphobes and calling for them to be boycotted.

    Then I thought to myself if I did that it means going outside, interacting with people in the real world and being away from the game, so I kicked my shoes back off, loaded up the game, stood at the ship vendor at ESD and used the "cry" and "hold torch" emote repeatedly as I looked at the poor resolution Nova model in game.

    Yeah, as have stated, that's always been my biggest bugbear about this. Not that it doesn't have a T6 version (though I would obviously love that) but first and foremost I'd LOVE to see the model brought up to current standard. The model looks terrible compared to the plethora of ships that have received quality passes (and lets keep in mind that many of them have received TWO quality passes).
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,545 Arc User
    Personally, I think every ship should be upgradable to every tier above its original introduction, including the nova. Even if they don't alter the appearance of the ship, loadout and rank seating upgrades should apply. But maybe that is just too simple a way to look at it...
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    Personally, I think every ship should be upgradable to every tier above its original introduction, including the nova. Even if they don't alter the appearance of the ship, loadout and rank seating upgrades should apply. But maybe that is just too simple a way to look at it...

    To be honest, I think the appearance is a bigger issue. The model is dated, was never canon accurate, and the lacking quality sticks out like a sore thumb when you compare it any of the numerous new ships, or ships that have had one or two quality passes. Park one next to an Intrepid class and you'll see exactly what I mean.
    Heck - its even badly limited on skin options - the 'Veteran' skin is the most recent ship-tailor skin it can access - it can't even use type-6. And whilst it can use Vanity shields, most of those (that I've seen anyway) don't really work very well with the dated model.

    And again, to add insult to injury is the fact that many/most of the canon ships in-game have recevied TWO quality passes in their lifetimes whilst the Nova doesn't seem to be able to get even ONE.

    No apologies for repeating this: it really wrong to hope that one day this:
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    might replace this :s :
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/kyhf41/my_first_gameprint_ship_t5x_nova_uss_karankawa/

    Someone ordered the 3D printed Nova, and I gotta say it looks really bad, that low polygon saucer section is awful. The connection points between saucer panels aren't even smooth straight lines but appear totally wrinkled, like the ship's been battle damaged or squished by something. Just shows how bad the texture and model on this ship is.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/kyhf41/my_first_gameprint_ship_t5x_nova_uss_karankawa/

    Someone ordered the 3D printed Nova, and I gotta say it looks really bad, that low polygon saucer section is awful. The connection points between saucer panels aren't even smooth straight lines but appear totally wrinkled, like the ship's been battle damaged or squished by something. Just shows how bad the texture and model on this ship is.

    Yeah - I've held off on ordering a Gameprint model of my Rhode Island for that very reason.

    Until they give the ship a quality pass, I'll make do with the Eaglemoss models:
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  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

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    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

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    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.

    Just they're of laughable quality compared to the ships that have had two quality passes.
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,165 Arc User
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

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    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.

    I personally would advocate for the T6 Nova Dreadnought Carrier. It would be the current T5 Nove, blown up to be the size of the Universe class, equipped with two hangars stocked with Oberth frigate squadrons.




    All joking aside, I generally agree that this game has way too much emphasis on the extremes: big clunky dreadnoughts and cruisers and tiny little zippy escorts. Bring back the small to medium sized sci ships, including the Nova.
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,545 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

    giphy.gif

    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.

    I personally would advocate for the T6 Nova Dreadnought Carrier. It would be the current T5 Nove, blown up to be the size of the Universe class, equipped with two hangars stocked with Oberth frigate squadrons.




    All joking aside, I generally agree that this game has way too much emphasis on the extremes: big clunky dreadnoughts and cruisers and tiny little zippy escorts. Bring back the small to medium sized sci ships, including the Nova.

    Might as well ask for them to bring back faction-specific content. They've abandoned the approach of player choice and have embraced a one size fits all approach. That's probably why they haven't done a top-tier nova. It doesn't fit within their design narrative...

    It's stupid, whatever the reason...

    I've said it before and I will say it again. The people who throw money at ships in this game will throw money for a top-tier nova as quickly as they would for any other new ship they release... And while designing ships, even variants of the same ship, may take time, for as long as people have been asking for THIS ship, there really is no good reason other than "Just because..." that it hasn't been produced and released yet.
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  • kellmg96#5851 kellmg96 Member Posts: 774 Arc User
    Glory to you, and T6 Novas to your House, QAPLA'!
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  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,545 Arc User

    Ah... Yes... A poll...

    We got one of those a while back in which "Exploration" trampled all over the other options for what the community wanted to see Cryptic focus on. The most we got was an opening narrative for the next season in which after the Iconian War, we were getting back to exploration, and then right after that it was steaight back to let's kill everything that moves and blow up everything that flies. But hey... they were able to tick exploration off their to do list...

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    Perfect World Entertainment WON'T
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

    giphy.gif

    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.

    I personally would advocate for the T6 Nova Dreadnought Carrier. It would be the current T5 Nove, blown up to be the size of the Universe class, equipped with two hangars stocked with Oberth frigate squadrons.




    All joking aside, I generally agree that this game has way too much emphasis on the extremes: big clunky dreadnoughts and cruisers and tiny little zippy escorts. Bring back the small to medium sized sci ships, including the Nova.

    Might as well ask for them to bring back faction-specific content. They've abandoned the approach of player choice and have embraced a one size fits all approach. That's probably why they haven't done a top-tier nova. It doesn't fit within their design narrative...

    It's stupid, whatever the reason...

    I've said it before and I will say it again. The people who throw money at ships in this game will throw money for a top-tier nova as quickly as they would for any other new ship they release... And while designing ships, even variants of the same ship, may take time, for as long as people have been asking for THIS ship, there really is no good reason other than "Just because..." that it hasn't been produced and released yet.

    Agreed.

    And yes, designing ships does take time - completely agree. But as have said before - NOT almost seven years.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 41,596 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    garaffe wrote: »
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

    giphy.gif

    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.

    I personally would advocate for the T6 Nova Dreadnought Carrier. It would be the current T5 Nove, blown up to be the size of the Universe class, equipped with two hangars stocked with Oberth frigate squadrons.




    All joking aside, I generally agree that this game has way too much emphasis on the extremes: big clunky dreadnoughts and cruisers and tiny little zippy escorts. Bring back the small to medium sized sci ships, including the Nova.

    Might as well ask for them to bring back faction-specific content. They've abandoned the approach of player choice and have embraced a one size fits all approach. That's probably why they haven't done a top-tier nova. It doesn't fit within their design narrative...

    It's stupid, whatever the reason...

    I've said it before and I will say it again. The people who throw money at ships in this game will throw money for a top-tier nova as quickly as they would for any other new ship they release... And while designing ships, even variants of the same ship, may take time, for as long as people have been asking for THIS ship, there really is no good reason other than "Just because..." that it hasn't been produced and released yet.

    Agreed.

    And yes, designing ships does take time - completely agree. But as have said before - NOT almost seven years.

    Devs in the past have said that it can take 6 months to a year to create a ship, but obviously that was incorrect, the Support Carriers and the Risian Science vessel were both created in a fraction of the time.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021


    Not going to tell anyone how they should vote, but here's hoping!
  • p331p331 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    So the correct answer is we are getting a T6 Something else?
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,952 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    westx211 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    garaffe wrote: »
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    T6 Nova and T6 Oberth. It's not like we're asking for the moon - the models are in the game. Just...

    giphy.gif

    The bottom line is this: there should be room in STO for captains who are not necessarily constantly roving from one "Wolf 359 fantasy" to another. I'm not saying that the game should fundamentally change to incorporate the smaller ships, but rather that T6 incarnations should be added to at least acknowledge that we're not all chasing the same ideal when it comes to gigantic battlecruisers.

    I personally would advocate for the T6 Nova Dreadnought Carrier. It would be the current T5 Nove, blown up to be the size of the Universe class, equipped with two hangars stocked with Oberth frigate squadrons.




    All joking aside, I generally agree that this game has way too much emphasis on the extremes: big clunky dreadnoughts and cruisers and tiny little zippy escorts. Bring back the small to medium sized sci ships, including the Nova.

    Might as well ask for them to bring back faction-specific content. They've abandoned the approach of player choice and have embraced a one size fits all approach. That's probably why they haven't done a top-tier nova. It doesn't fit within their design narrative...

    It's stupid, whatever the reason...

    I've said it before and I will say it again. The people who throw money at ships in this game will throw money for a top-tier nova as quickly as they would for any other new ship they release... And while designing ships, even variants of the same ship, may take time, for as long as people have been asking for THIS ship, there really is no good reason other than "Just because..." that it hasn't been produced and released yet.

    Agreed.

    And yes, designing ships does take time - completely agree. But as have said before - NOT almost seven years.

    Devs in the past have said that it can take 6 months to a year to create a ship,
    I don't remember them saying that. 6 months is more the time from "we have an idea we want to make soon" and "it's done". But that doesn't mean it takes 6 months. I believe the process for a ship itself was more described like something done about a month or so.

    But the thing is - everything needs to be put on a schedule, when it is going to be implemented, when it is going to be released to the players.

    The process is probably something like this:
    Okay, we want to make new ship in this C-Store ship release slot.
    Maybe a Science Vessel? Oh, no, we area already releasing a Lockbox Science Vessel, we want people to buy that if they want a new Science Vessel. So better make it a Cruiser, they are the most popular anyway and there is still some ships from Discovery that we have to make.
    Okay, next slot. Still think Science Vessel is good.
    Yeah, but we have that CBS promo idea with the new Discovery era comic. We should take that.
    Excellent!
    ...a few more C-Store ship release slots pass by before we get back to science Vessels...
    It's time for a Science Vessel, I believe, we haven't done any in a while.
    Oh, how about the Nova, I've heard it's popular.
    True, it is, it really could use a nice overhaul.
    Yep, let's do it.
    Oh, wait, did I say Science Vessel? I just meant "sciency". We just did a Science Vessel for the anniversary ship.
    Oh, you're right. We should do a Carrier.
    Tier 6 Atrox?
    Let's go with that!
    ... a few more C-Store ship release slots later
    How about a Science Vessel.
    I think the Nova is pretty popular.
    Wait, aren't we already doing a a Science Vessel for the Winter ship?
    Oh, yeah, right. No, wait, that was a carrier, I think Science VEssel is okay.
    Okay, Nova it is.
    Whoa, wait! Have you forgotten about Lower Decks?! We need a Tier 6 Luna.
    You're right.
    ... a few more C-Store ship release slots later
    ... Nova sounds good?
    ... My good, have you seen this awesome Picard Season 2 ship? I mean, technically it's more a Cruiser, but we can make it a Science Destroyer and then give it that cool transformation animation like in Episode S02E5!
    ... a few more C-Store ship release slots later...
    ... Nova?
    ... Discovery Season 4 Tier 7 Science Spearhead!
    ...

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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    Repost in error

    Nonetheless

    VOTE NOVA!
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