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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 7,862 Arc User
    Considering that the Nova design was once one of the Candidates for the Defiant i think it would be interesting if a Tier 6 Nova was a warship with a secondary deflector.
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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 1,330 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I say this with absolute respect for the OP, but what is the point of banging a worn-out drum, when we know it's coming?
    For the same reason people do it not only with other things in STO, but in other games, other aspects of life. etc. etc.

    In many ways, its emotionally, and psychologically, easier for people to keep persisting at something, even after its long since stopped being useful to do so, because not doing so ends up creating the feeling of giving up entirely. Even if that isn't the case.

    This unfortunately also makes it very easy to become convinced that not getting the thing you want must be the result of some elaborate plot, or sheer maleficence, rather then simply due to natural reasons. With the plots and maleficence getting more severe as time goes on because that becomes the only way to justify why it still hasn't happened after an increasing length of time.

    Sadly that is the sense I am getting from this thread. There have already been a number of comments i get the sense of "conspiracy to intentionally not give us what we want" vibes from.
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  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,644 Arc User
    I would not only like to see this but a T6 Oberth as well
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,099 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    I'm going to be brutally honest: I don't care one bit for the Nova. I already have, and use, all the Science ships I want... and yet, I'm very much advocating for a T6 Nova because people clearly have an interest in it.

    The 2017 poll was a shameful disgrace, in my opinion, and it made absolutely no sense for it to be ignored like it was.

    I don't think people are wrong in keeping this debate alive, even less so exactly because "they know there's interest" but they have so far given ZERO reasons as to why a T6 Nova - or at the very least, a visual revamp of the T5 - can't be made.

    Vague promises of "soon" means absolutely nothing so, if they have no intention of making it, they should just come out and say it. But they won't, because that's not their MO.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,223 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    Just taking this break from my STO Forum Break to ad my voice to those who want.

    Considering that sci ships top the DPS Meta by now I have lost any reasons not to want this ship. :D
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  • cirran1cirran1 Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    I have no desire for a T6 Nova, not my brand of cigar. With that said I fear that the only hope I have of a T6 Oberth is going to if it is bundled at a high price with a T6 Nova.

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  • therealblackkaostherealblackkaos Member Posts: 121 Arc User
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,664 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I support this, but we know it's coming. I'm not saying this is a pointless thread, but everyone knows what Reyan wants by now. :lol:

    I say this with absolute respect for the OP, but what is the point of banging a worn-out drum, when we know it's coming?

    I say this absolute respect toward your comments, but if you could kindly point me at any post or comment that gives us a timescale I'd be grateful. I'll also note that I am by no means the only player who wants this.

    P.s: "Eventually", "soon" and other such generic/vague non-responses don't count.

    The Dev's have said repeatedly that every ship will get a T6 version. That's all I need to know. The closest ship to the Nova is the Intrepid, why can't you just fly that for now? The stats are not that far off, and the T6 Nova will get an extra BO power, some more subsystems power, but the difference will be neglegible. The Nova looks quite smart with the Platinum shield btw.
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  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,099 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    leemwatson wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I support this, but we know it's coming. I'm not saying this is a pointless thread, but everyone knows what Reyan wants by now. :lol:

    I say this with absolute respect for the OP, but what is the point of banging a worn-out drum, when we know it's coming?

    I say this absolute respect toward your comments, but if you could kindly point me at any post or comment that gives us a timescale I'd be grateful. I'll also note that I am by no means the only player who wants this.

    P.s: "Eventually", "soon" and other such generic/vague non-responses don't count.

    The Dev's have said repeatedly that every ship will get a T6 version. That's all I need to know.
    In other words, you have no idea and you're just believing it because "they have repeatedly" said so. Yeah, right.

    As Reyan said: it doesn't count.
    The Dev's have said repeatedly that every ship will get a T6 version. That's all I need to know. The closest ship to the Nova is the Intrepid, why can't you just fly that for now? The stats are not that far off, and the T6 Nova will get an extra BO power, some more subsystems power, but the difference will be neglegible. The Nova looks quite smart with the Platinum shield btw.
    As I said, I don't care for the Nova but even I can see why this question is, quite frankly, stupid: because the Intrepid is NOT the Nova. Why shouldn't they be able to fly the ship they want?
    Especially since you have absolutely no idea how a T6 Nova will be, so claims of "the difference will be negligible" are useless, at best.
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    Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.

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    - quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 408 Arc User
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?
    Everyone has their favorite ships, and wants to fly their favorite ship. For some, it's about DPS and flying whatever does the most damage. Some people want the connection to the shows and movies. And for others, it's about aesthetics. Personally, I fell head over heels for the Nova when it made its debut in Equinox because it was such a sleek, aggressive looking little ship. It has a hard edge to it that the Intrepid class lacks, which made for a nice contrast with Voyager when the two ships were on screen. I don't think anyone asking for a T6 Nova expects it to be the top of the line, must have ship of the moment when it's released. We just want to fly the ship we love, for one reason or another.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,664 Arc User
    lnblade wrote: »
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?
    Everyone has their favorite ships, and wants to fly their favorite ship. For some, it's about DPS and flying whatever does the most damage. Some people want the connection to the shows and movies. And for others, it's about aesthetics. Personally, I fell head over heels for the Nova when it made its debut in Equinox because it was such a sleek, aggressive looking little ship. It has a hard edge to it that the Intrepid class lacks, which made for a nice contrast with Voyager when the two ships were on screen. I don't think anyone asking for a T6 Nova expects it to be the top of the line, must have ship of the moment when it's released. We just want to fly the ship we love, for one reason or another.

    Yes, we get it, but it's the insinuation that it's a malicious act or malicious omission (verging on criminality) against a demographic of the game attitude that folk are bemused by. There are numerous other ships yet to get the T6 treatment, but you don't see some flag-bearer tearing down the forums everyday about it. It's becoming as tedious as listening to vegans (no offense). :lol:
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,960 Arc User
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?

    The obsession is nothing special, really. Just imagine you had a favorite canon ship, say the Galaxy Class or Constution CLass. But there is no endgame version of it.

    That's all there is to it. There are people that like this ship. And they see no reason why it shouldn't be in the game, considering all the other ships that are in the game. And there really aren't much more canon ships left. The remainder are mostly ships that we only saw from a far with limited angles or possibly just as wrecks, many of them were clearly kitbashes not intended for closer inspection. The Nova is actually a fully-fledged design that was created for VOY, and was revised for its appearance in the VOY finale, and we saw it get into action.

    The Nova "obsession" is nothing compared to the obsession people had for the Constitution!
    And now we got what - 4 endgame Connies?

    For me, personally. I really like the shape and size of the Nova. It's a cute little ship. And it's a Science Vessel, and I love Science Vessels. So I really would like the option to play it at endgame.
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 4,186 Arc User
    ha... be funny if the T6 Nova was the 11th anniversary ship...
    meh

  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 408 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    lnblade wrote: »
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?
    Everyone has their favorite ships, and wants to fly their favorite ship. For some, it's about DPS and flying whatever does the most damage. Some people want the connection to the shows and movies. And for others, it's about aesthetics. Personally, I fell head over heels for the Nova when it made its debut in Equinox because it was such a sleek, aggressive looking little ship. It has a hard edge to it that the Intrepid class lacks, which made for a nice contrast with Voyager when the two ships were on screen. I don't think anyone asking for a T6 Nova expects it to be the top of the line, must have ship of the moment when it's released. We just want to fly the ship we love, for one reason or another.

    Yes, we get it, but it's the insinuation that it's a malicious act or malicious omission (verging on criminality) against a demographic of the game attitude that folk are bemused by. There are numerous other ships yet to get the T6 treatment, but you don't see some flag-bearer tearing down the forums everyday about it. It's becoming as tedious as listening to vegans (no offense). :lol:
    For one, there was a poll several years ago that the devs used to gauge interest in potential T6 ship releases. The Nova class beat out several other ships, such as the Ambassador and Vor'cha, which have since had T6 versions added to the game. Reyan frequently mentions it in these threads, and I think rightfully so. The devs never promised that the poll would be used to set future ship releases, it was just to see where player interest was. However, it is very frustrating that they have a strong indication of the demand for the Nova that they have seemingly ignored for years. Especially when there have been numerous threads on the forums and Reddit, and people bring it up in the devs' livestreams. They've known for years that it's something people want, and they have done nothing about it.

    In a different thread, I put forward the idea that we should probably stop appealing to the STO devs directly and start trying to convince the writers on Lower Decks to have Harry Kim show up in the Rhode Island in an episode. Give the ship a big-damn-heroes moment where it swoops in and rescues the Cerritos. Because all it took was the Titan showing up for two minutes in the season finale of Lower Decks to get the devs to release a T6 Luna with an updated skin. Meanwhile the Nova, which was the centerpiece of a two-part episode, sits on the game's junk heap.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,824 Arc User
    It's a cute little ship.

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  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,099 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    lnblade wrote: »
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?
    Everyone has their favorite ships, and wants to fly their favorite ship. For some, it's about DPS and flying whatever does the most damage. Some people want the connection to the shows and movies. And for others, it's about aesthetics. Personally, I fell head over heels for the Nova when it made its debut in Equinox because it was such a sleek, aggressive looking little ship. It has a hard edge to it that the Intrepid class lacks, which made for a nice contrast with Voyager when the two ships were on screen. I don't think anyone asking for a T6 Nova expects it to be the top of the line, must have ship of the moment when it's released. We just want to fly the ship we love, for one reason or another.

    Yes, we get it, but it's the insinuation that it's a malicious act or malicious omission (verging on criminality) against a demographic of the game attitude that folk are bemused by. There are numerous other ships yet to get the T6 treatment, but you don't see some flag-bearer tearing down the forums everyday about it. It's becoming as tedious as listening to vegans (no offense). :lol:

    Wrong.

    Its the fact that they don't listen.
    Its the fact that they demonstrably ignore/disregard player feedback.
    Its the fact that over the past six+ years we've had nothing more than meaningless non-replies like "soon" or "eventually".
    Its the fact that many of the canon ships have had at least one, and in many cases, TWO, quality passes whilst this particuar model can't even get ONE.
    Its the fact that they ran a poll in 2017, which the Nova class won and ignored that too.

    Its the fact that they've acknowledged that they "know we want it" during several livestreams and an interview with Hero Collector and yet after SIX+ years they have done absolutely nothing about it.

    And that's the tea.
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    Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.

    Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
    - quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,737 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    lnblade wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    lnblade wrote: »
    I got a question and this seems like the thread to ask it. What’s the obsession with a T6 Nova? I’ve seen countless posts about it and can’t seem to figure out why so many people want one. Is it a iconic ship that needs to be added like the Enterprise or Defiant? Is it strictly a canonical thing? I would think that, with such a demand for it, the devs would’ve put one in game a long time ago knowing it would turn a profit (especially if it’s bundled). Someone clue me in please?
    Everyone has their favorite ships, and wants to fly their favorite ship. For some, it's about DPS and flying whatever does the most damage. Some people want the connection to the shows and movies. And for others, it's about aesthetics. Personally, I fell head over heels for the Nova when it made its debut in Equinox because it was such a sleek, aggressive looking little ship. It has a hard edge to it that the Intrepid class lacks, which made for a nice contrast with Voyager when the two ships were on screen. I don't think anyone asking for a T6 Nova expects it to be the top of the line, must have ship of the moment when it's released. We just want to fly the ship we love, for one reason or another.

    Yes, we get it, but it's the insinuation that it's a malicious act or malicious omission (verging on criminality) against a demographic of the game attitude that folk are bemused by. There are numerous other ships yet to get the T6 treatment, but you don't see some flag-bearer tearing down the forums everyday about it. It's becoming as tedious as listening to vegans (no offense). :lol:
    For one, there was a poll several years ago that the devs used to gauge interest in potential T6 ship releases. The Nova class beat out several other ships, such as the Ambassador and Vor'cha, which have since had T6 versions added to the game. Reyan frequently mentions it in these threads, and I think rightfully so. The devs never promised that the poll would be used to set future ship releases, it was just to see where player interest was. However, it is very frustrating that they have a strong indication of the demand for the Nova that they have seemingly ignored for years. Especially when there have been numerous threads on the forums and Reddit, and people bring it up in the devs' livestreams. They've known for years that it's something people want, and they have done nothing about it.

    In a different thread, I put forward the idea that we should probably stop appealing to the STO devs directly and start trying to convince the writers on Lower Decks to have Harry Kim show up in the Rhode Island in an episode. Give the ship a big-damn-heroes moment where it swoops in and rescues the Cerritos. Because all it took was the Titan showing up for two minutes in the season finale of Lower Decks to get the devs to release a T6 Luna with an updated skin. Meanwhile the Nova, which was the centerpiece of a two-part episode, sits on the game's junk heap.

    Sad thing is, one gets the distinct impression that Garrett Wang would actually be up for reprising his role/making an appearance like that. He still seems very enthusiastic and supportive of Trek-related projects.

    He definitely would be up for that. He's done voice over here in STO and in Voyager: Elite Force. Also fans love seeing old characters in the new shows. Nostalgia and all that.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,455 Arc User
    YOu might be getting your wish - Rumor has it that they are in the works in giving most T5 ships a T6 variant - sometime in 2021.

    That being said, do not hold your breath for a T6 Nova Class with adequate bridge officer seating.
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  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 408 Arc User
    stark2k wrote: »
    YOu might be getting your wish - Rumor has it that they are in the works in giving most T5 ships a T6 variant - sometime in 2021.

    That being said, do not hold your breath for a T6 Nova Class with adequate bridge officer seating.
    They've said that their goal is for every canon ship to be brought up to T6, but I would be genuinely shocked if they did that this year. They've clearly demonstrated that their priority is releasing ships that have appeared more recently on screen, and with 3 currently running shows (and a 4th in the works) that list is only going to get longer over time. Ships like the Nova, Saber, Olympic, Steamrunner, and Oberth are going to get shoved further and further down the list unless by some miracle they make it into one of the four shows.
  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,915 Arc User
    I hope that if/when the T6 Nova is going to be in the game, Kael send reyan01, the champion for the ship, a heads up.

    Just to say, 'Hey, the ship you've been waiting for is on it's way! :)'
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