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A kick feature for TFO's
daimon97
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There are sooo many afk players simply standing still throughout the TFO just to get the reward. Please add a kick feature where players can vote to kick afk or grieving players
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For afk players there is the possibility of reporting them
What are you going to do with players who suddenly have to go to the toilet or at whose door the doorbell rings?
With all due respect a player staying at a single place throughout the TFO and not doing anything but still getting the reward is more abusive and unfair...
You say brb, do your thing and come back
Agree, sadly it would be abused for sure. I don't think anyone "likes" AFKers when not already pre-agreed upon.
A long time ago I was told that if you place a player on your Ignore-list then they won't be grouped with you, this was told to me by customer service once when I lodged a complaint during an event TFO, so naive. It turns-out that's not true or there is a bug in their system because even though I followed the instructions I still got to witness his/her AFKing during an event days later again, so there is that unfortunately.
I have played games with this feature and when it was abused far out weighed the good. I have seen them kick people out right before final reward so they cant get it.
What penalty would the kicked person receive, and what recourse does that person have if they unjustly kicked.
But there are ways around it. Join a fleet and do premade group. that way you don't run into the issues.
Unfortunately you will run into that in pick-up groups. just report the person and move on
You can tell if someone is suffering from a lag spike... or actually afking. I don't get why so many people are against it...
Any personal ideas you can think of? Many games have team vote kick option. Wow does it and it still works today
There's always going to be those extreme "what if X happens" scenarios, but that's not what is being talked about here. What's being talked about is people deliberately abusing the system and sitting AFK while still collecting rewards. That's not fair to the other 4 members of the run and can greatly effect their ability to play the queue. One guy should not be able to essentially hold the rest of the team's ability to progress hostage. Unless folks are going AFK alot or doing things that would get them vote kicked, they shouldn't have anything to worry about. As is right now, folks can abuse the other 4 members of the run and there is no remedy for the other 4 people. A vote kick gives that remedy. If you folks are expecting a perfect system that can't be abused in some way, no such system will ever exist. A vote kick has been needed for some time in this game.
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As to reporting, feel free, but even that's questionable. Perhaps if a player gets enough reports over time...
I'm all for folks participating fully in TFO's. Have done a lot of RTFO's in the past couple weeks. People have been pretty good for the most part.
The most common thing I see is a handful of players getting in over their heads performance wise in advanced queues. But that could have would have been me when I just started playing and was figuring things out and at this point just means a few extra targets. I've seen just as many players absolutely excel in advanced queues.
I did bust out a few dance moves while doing Assault on Terok Nor a couple days ago. With everybody firing at Mirror Leeta and pets and Crystal Prism's all over the place I thought it would take my mind off watching the 'immune' floaters and the fact that in that environment there's no way to take threat and depower her on a console.
All in all though the advanced RTFO's have been a very pleasant experience for me as of late, but I can understand how an afk player that's impeding mission progress could be frustrating.
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An automatic system that tracks more than just damage output thresholds for chronic AFKing through too many successive TFOs would be better.
That said I have no problems with AFKing certain events that has minimal impact because the mission design is not fun, especially for 20 consecutive days, on a nearly non-stop train of event after event with great rewards leading to burnout.
A workaround to bad team mates is expanding the LFG system. Make it a live interface with requests for customizable XYZ requests and comments specifying custom details. Many games neglect this, making it a total hassle to track friendlies to team play with, and it needs an auto-expire custom timer so those that are happy can opt to stay or get auto-disbanded so requests always stay up to date to current requirements.
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An automated system can be tricked. Fellow players can be fooled. That's not the issue. It doesn't need to be complicated or foolproof, just having a method of removing freeloaders is enough.
Certainly, a vote kick can be abused. But from what I've seen in other games with that functionality, it very rarely is abused; partly because abusing kick is punishable and partly because most people are decent.
Every system can be abused with, I agree with, which would include a system where players determine whom gets kicked-out let alone the greater trolling possibilities.
I also agree that players already abuse the AFKing & it does hamper the remaining players trying to play the game proper which is why I still applaud how some players have taken it upon their own to create alternative methods to play & AFK in a more constructive nature.
So as this proposal would stand it is simply trading 1 abused system for another (under players' control).
I disagree with: "That is an even greater abuse than someone being booted from a run." Since it has already been conceded that players' ability to vote-kick would be abused wtg condoning the sacrifice of someone possibly having lag for the greater ego.
Leave it as it is till a good in-game mechanic could function which would be a great quality of life improvements, till then yeah it is a rare irritation.
While I understand and respect the people who want a Vote Kick option... we'd need to find a way to not only limit its weaponization by Trolls, and lets face it we know they exist and even are organized, we'd need a way to replace vote kicked players in a TFO.
The way I see it, there are two main groups who may abuse a Vote Kick. Trolls, and people with a performance chip on their shoulder. Troll will abuse for their own amusement at the expense of others. The other group will decide you don't measure up to their perceived measuring stick no matter what the situation is, and decide to take it upon themselves to "punish" you for not measuring up to their standards. You may be good enough to do an Advanced run, but if some hardline person feels that you're bringing their numbers down, they may try to vote kick the "offender" because they take offense at their skill level affecting their numbers.
Used legit... its a good tool. However... we have several distinct groups who will abuse it for their own ends.
The current situation is not ideal. And I will agree that we do need something. But it HAS to be done in a way that can't be weaponized so easily. While no system is foolproof, I would prefer figuring out how to do it fair and with minimal chance of trolling. And unfortunately STO is prone to troll shenanigans a lot more than a game like FF14.